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Sigh.
Notice how it's marriage and not just homosexuality that he condemns.
This is because in Catholic doctrine a marriage MUST be unitive and
procreative in order for it to be a sacrament, thus calling a gay marriage
marriage is untrue in the eyes of the church. The fact that you think that
the pope thinks they will burn in hell shows how much you know about the
actual teachings of Catholicism, Fuz.
The only reason that people see Catholicism as not accepting homosexuality
is because in order to be, by definition, truly homosexual, you must
take part in sexual acts with those of the same gender. Since these
acts can never take place inside of a sacramental marriage for the reason
stated above, it is always premarital.
The pope seems to be a pretty logical guy and while I don't necessarily
agree with him the reasons for his beliefs make sense, it's just a different
way of looking at things. You call the pope a hypocrite for not accepting
others' lifestyles and yet you can't even respect an opinion which he
has based on his own logical ideas and beliefs is pretty hypocritical. It
goes both ways, folks.
.opt
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I agree with Optium on this one.
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I'm not trying to offend anyone here but I don't understand how it's sinful being gay, it's not something you can help, you don't have a choice of being gay or not. If you are gay are you just expected to live like a straight person and get married to somebody you don't love, which would mean making false vows and living under false pretenses unhappily.
I think everybody in the world should be treat as equal- no one should think they are better than anyone else because they are different.
(Just curious, but where in the bible are things stated about homosexuals being wrong?)
EDIT: after reading Optimum's (sp?) post I understand a little more. Thankyou Optimum and I agree with you on this one :)
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There are, but it was nulled when Christ came, if I'm not mistaken.
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In the sections of Soddom and Gremora. Also, somewhere it states that it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man as he would a woman.
Yay for a man-made book to dictate what God says. Anyone can edit it, and besides, the real bible was oral tradition, it wasn't written down until the about 300 years after the death of jesus. The old testament has been around for a while, but the majority of those were used in the synagogues and old churches, and many were constantly being edited by the clergy.
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Most of the quotes in the Bible regarding homosexuals are in the Old
Testament and are used only to show the barbaric nature of Pagans
compared to the civilized nature of Jews. The Old Testament also says
that a man whose wife is kidnapped, upon finding his wife and the kidnapper,
should punish the kidnapper based on how badly the wife was treated.
Something like...lash for lash, toe for toe, and eye for eye.
When Jesus came he said "You have been told 'an eye for an eye' but I
tell you if your enemy strikes your cheek give him the other." This was a
way of saying that the old laws no longer apply. Therefore, any laws the
Old Testament creates should be taken with a grain of salt. Now as I said
before, the church does not have a problem with a man being in love with
another man, what the church has a problem with is premarital sex and
since two men can never take part in a sacramental marriage any sex
between them will be premarital. The pope is simply saying that civil
weddings between two men or two women create a very different
family atmosphere which he sees as social decline. You don't need to
agree with this, and I don't agree completely, but this is how he sees
it. He has a point, but he sees it as worse than others do, which is just
the way of the world.
A good friend of mine is a firm Bush supporter, he's all about national
defense and he likes war when it gets the job done. Many of my other
friends who don't know him well call him an idiot, but I've had countless
debates with him and he always backs his arguments up with facts. He
knows exactly what he's talking about. He simply has a different way of
looking at the world than I or many of my friends do, it is not a wrong
way of looking at the world--which is what some believe--but simply
DIFFERENT.
.opt
PS, the first gospel, Mark's, was written roughly 30 years after Jesus'
death. You were only off by about 270 years, nice try though.
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Hmmm....
Perhaps I am mistaken for my angry outlash. I had seen the Pope's comment as one condeming people for their transgressions. After reading your post however, Optium, it does seem to make more sense. Therefore I appologize for my own comments.
