Vincent Immortal?

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04-06-2005, 10:06 PM
Mercen-X

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Vincent was placed there in that coffin by Hojo if I recall.

I theorize that Vincent wasn't inside that coffin from the time of the experimentation. I believe that he had wandered off and possibly killed some people while in some state of delirium before he returned to his senses and to the Mansion he'd confine himself to. I think that he was perhaps injured in a fight and then sheltered by caretakers shortly before his return which would explain his outfit and his metal gauntlet. I think that while his mind was still plagued with the nightmares of Hojo's atrocities and the project he couldn't stop Lucrecia from participating in, he wandered into that room and climbed into the coffin as if sleepwalking.
04-07-2005, 03:05 AM
DJZen

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Originally Posted by Destai

I think immortals a bad way of putting it. I think saying he doesnt age gives a better idea.

Yeah, an Eternal.
04-07-2005, 03:29 AM
Squall of SeeD

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Originally Posted by Mercen-X

I theorize that Vincent wasn't inside that coffin from the time of the experimentation. I believe that he had wandered off and possibly killed some people while in some state of delirium before he returned to his senses and to the Mansion he'd confine himself to. I think that he was perhaps injured in a fight and then sheltered by caretakers shortly before his return which would explain his outfit and his metal gauntlet. I think that while his mind was still plagued with the nightmares of Hojo's atrocities and the project he couldn't stop Lucrecia from participating in, he wandered into that room and climbed into the coffin as if sleepwalking.

I personally don't take it that far despite believing he wasn't placed in the coffin for the entire duration of those thirty years. I would assume he just got his outfit from rags and junk laying around the Mansion, myself.

As far as getting in the coffin goes, though, I would say Hojo did place him there, as Hojo's letter says he put Vincent to sleep in the basement.
04-07-2005, 09:39 PM
Drift

mst be sum heavy ass big tranq if it makes a guy/vamp so 2 sleep 4 30 yrs i wuda used cyrogenics (however you spell it)
04-28-2005, 11:03 PM
Mercen-X

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Originally Posted by SquallofSeeD

As far as getting in the coffin goes, though, I would say Hojo did place him there, as Hojo's letter says he put Vincent to sleep in the basement.

Yes. Put him to sleep . . . but they don't say where in the basement. It could've easily been on that table in there near the mako tanks.

Or maybe Hojo was just so conceited of his talents, he thought that Vincent would become a monster he could control.
04-29-2005, 02:25 AM
Gwelenguchenkus

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Originally Posted by Squall of SeeD

I personally don't take it that far despite believing he wasn't placed in the coffin for the entire duration of those thirty years. I would assume he just got his outfit from rags and junk laying around the Mansion, myself.

As far as getting in the coffin goes, though, I would say Hojo did place him there, as Hojo's letter says he put Vincent to sleep in the basement.

Rags in the basement? He looks pretty cool to be dressed in rags. I wonder where he got that wicked claw.
04-29-2005, 02:30 AM
Masamune·1600

The origin of Vincent's gauntlet will, I hope, be addressed by a title in the Compilation (maybe Dirge of Cerberus).
04-29-2005, 06:27 AM
Squall of SeeD

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Originally Posted by Mercen-X

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Originally Posted by SquallofSeeD

As far as getting in the coffin goes, though, I would say Hojo did place him there, as Hojo's letter says he put Vincent to sleep in the basement.

Yes. Put him to sleep . . . but they don't say where in the basement. It could've easily been on that table in there near the mako tanks.

Then why was the purpose of the clues offered to decipher the safe, which reveals the key to the crypt?
04-29-2005, 11:23 AM
theundeadhero

Vincent was a member of the Turks. He was infused with Jenova cells which is what accounts for his Limit breaks. In the game it mentions that the ancients that were infected with the Jenova disease turned into raging monsters. He was married to Lucretia. Lucretia was pregnant during the time of Hojo's experimentations with Hojo's baby. Vincent let Hojo inject his unborn child with Jenova cells (that was within his wife). This child was Sephiroth. The sin that Vincent mentions he needs to attone for is Sephiroth getting injected like that. Hojo is in fact Sephiroths father. Somewhere along the line Vincent decided against this experiment and Hojo shot him. Knowing that Vincent was injected with Jenova cells he knew it wouldn't kill him so he put him in the coffin underneath the Shinra Mansion. Vincent could have left earlier but didn't. When Cloud sees him Vincent decides that maybe it is time he did something about it so thats why he joins the group.

EOFF History lesson
04-30-2005, 08:18 AM
Masamune·1600

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He was married to Lucretia. Lucretia was pregnant during the time of Hojo's experimentations with Hojo's baby.

Vincent loved Lucrecia, true, but she did not accept his proposal. Actually, there is no evidence in the game that Lucrecia (who loved Hojo) reciprocated Vincent's love at all.

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Somewhere along the line Vincent decided against this experiment and Hojo shot him. Knowing that Vincent was injected with Jenova cells he knew it wouldn't kill him so he put him in the coffin underneath the Shinra Mansion.

Hojo, in all likelihood, did kill Vincent with the shot. Said Jenova experimentation certainly happened after this, and it probably played a role in Vincent's resuscitation. This strange revival explains why Vincent is ageless, even though other individuals with Jenova cells are not. There is no question, however, that Vincent had no previous Jenova cell injections before being shot. He was a Turk, not a member of SOLDIER.
04-30-2005, 08:34 AM
theundeadhero

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Lucrecia (who loved Hojo)

I don't rememebr that at all. It might be there and I just don't remember. Where did that come from.

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Hojo, in all likelihood, did kill Vincent with the shot. Said Jenova experimentation certainly happened after this, and it probably played a role in Vincent's resuscitation.

The game ctually doesn't mention if he was killed or not. To me it makes more since that he was severly wounded and then was injected with the Jenova cells. They kept him alive and also slowed his aging severly or possibly stopped it. I just to far ahead of myself with posting that last thing. It was meant to be He injected him and knowing it wouldn't kill him...
04-30-2005, 08:40 AM
Kawaii Ryûkishi

I don't think there's anything substantial to suggest that Hojo injected Vince with Jenova cells. That's been debated before, though.
04-30-2005, 08:45 AM
theundeadhero

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I don't think there's anything substantial to suggest that Hojo injected Vince with Jenova cells. That's been debated before, though.

Yes, in the archived thread I linked to, but his limits being "raging monsters" and Cetra infected with the Jenova Virus turning into raging monsters leads me to belive he was, as I stated in that thread.
04-30-2005, 08:51 AM
Masamune·1600

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Originally Posted by theundeadhero

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Lucrecia (who loved Hojo)

I don't rememebr that at all. It might be there and I just don't remember. Where did that come from.

When Vincent encounters Lucrecia in the waterfall cave, we see a flashback that includes Lucrecia apparently crying and running away after Vincent attempts to give her something, which I can only presume is an engagement ring. Immediately after (in terms of flashback), we see Hojo and Lucrecia kissing. Vincent responds to this by saying, "If she is happy then...I don't mind." That whole scene is hidden, so it's relatively easy to forget.

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I just to far ahead of myself with posting that last thing. It was meant to be He injected him and knowing it wouldn't kill him...

Okay, fair enough. :)
04-30-2005, 09:09 AM
theundeadhero

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That whole scene is hidden, so it's relatively easy to forget.

Yeah, I've seen it but just forgot :(

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