about Griever

Interesting idea.

Would that mean that the other GFs are creations of pure will, or is Griever a special case?

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Originally Posted by Luthien

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Originally Posted by BG-57

That makes me wonder why Griever is still a GF. They both are controlled by Ultimecia. The difference seems to be Tiamat is not junctioned and Griever is. And there are plenty of unjunctioned GFs the party encounters, like Ifrit, Diablos, Brothers, Doomtrain and Bahamut. Could it be that Tiamat somehow has become unjunctionable?

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I think Griever just exist in Squall´s mind, I mean, he made it up. So, what ´bout the battle with Griever? Well, as long as Ultimecia is a Sorceress, she has the ability to read (and control, right, Rinoa?) people´s minds, so she could have drawn the "idea" of Griever from Squall and give it life.

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No doubt she could, as she could also reach into their minds and remove Spells that they had learned.

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whats all this about tiamat being a GF? I couldnt find him when i played through the game and i only had a crappy skill left to unlock so i didnt bother to fight him.

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Although this has no relevance to the Greiver theory...climb to the top of the tower with all those steps and there should be a swinging bell, time your jump correctly and then you'll find you've jumped to the other side which was previously blocked off by a patch of the planks missing. Go out onto the little platform outside and Tiamat should be there...though you probably really don't bother about it.

And about the Greiver thing: I could have sworn that in the game it goes on saying something about Squall having the "heart of a lion", his finishing move is Lionheart... so through process of elimination, i think that its a Devil's Lion: a lion with wings, dark fur, stripes, spikes and an attitude

The evidence seriously suggests that griever is a lion, but it would be seriously boring if it looked like a normal lion right? Hence the wings and tiger- like features. the idea of the connection to Rinoa was quite interesting, it makes sense.

all this talk about what Griever really is, is well kinda overkill. no offense, he's a monster or whatever you want to call him created by Squall. Hello, he's not really an animal for that matter, just a symbol (with animal features). he looks really cool though...

Hell, Griever dosnt even know what he is! Hence the song title: "Maybe im a Lion".............hes a confused individual.....heh :D

But seriously, it dosnt really matter what he is. Hes most probably a lion because of all the lion references. If you wanna ask that question about a GF then why not ask Pandemona what the hec he is. (My theory is that hes a random fusion of a Parrot (head hair), an Elephant (feet and legs), a fish (webbed hands), a Spider (butt) and a purple vacum cleaner (colour and face....creepy) :D

The game strongly suggests Griever is a lion, even beyond the examples given so far. On Disc 2, when Rinoa questions Squall about the "monster" on his ring, Squall specifically notes that Griever is a lion, as opposed to a monster.

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Rinoa: You know something, I couldn't afford to fall off that cliff and
die. I have something very important that belongs to you. I can't die
until I give it back to you, right? Zell gave it to me, see? I've been
holding onto it.

Squall: (I'm gonna kill him...) That's my favorite ring. You'd better
give it back.

Rinoa: I'm sure it is. It's a cool-looking ring. What's this monster on
it anyway?

Squall: It's not a monster. It's a lion. Lions are known for their
great strength and pride.

Rinoa: Hmm...great strength...pride... ...Kinda like you, Squall.

Squall: I wish...

Rinoa: Hmm...so this L I O N of yours, does it have a name?

Squall: Of course. Griever.

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Griever is drawn from Squall's mind, so the parameters for the GF are based on Squall's perception of the being. Squall believes Griever to be a lion, so Griever is a lion.

The first time I played the game I named him Simba.

You could imagine my angst when I found out I had to kill him ;_;

I agree with Kishi.

I mean, it's not that hard to decipher what Griever is. He has gave you the necessary information there.. Come on now people, you'll be asking what a Cactuar is next.

*Awaits someone to ask what a Cactuar is*

Ok...references state him to be a lion, but I'll just say he's whatever you want him to be, he was after all created out of Squall's imagination.

Griever is a very angry person.