It sure looks like an energy field *outside* of the glowing plates, watching that fmv again.
Considering how it's bright blue and translucent. and that ragna starts shooting again *after* it goes through it.
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It sure looks like an energy field *outside* of the glowing plates, watching that fmv again.
Considering how it's bright blue and translucent. and that ragna starts shooting again *after* it goes through it.
actually, i thought it was an energy field, like a hologram sorta thing. i mean, the plates are there, yeah, but i just don't think it's metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Bahamut
Another thing.......the Ragnarok was engineered and built in Esthar. Its wouldn't surprise me if Esthar built their spaceship with the technology that allowed it to pass through their barriers.
For instance, maybe the Ragnarok alters the frequency of its shields to match the frequency of the energy field around Esthar so that it can pass through. (Kinda like in Star Trek, when "Picard/Janeway/Cisco/etc" has to fight an enemy for the first time, if they can't penetrate the shields right away, they sometimes find a way to alter their weapon frequencies to match that of the enemy's shields, so they penetrate the shields.) It IS a high-tech space ship, after all.
There are many possibilities. Something like what I stated above, or a proramming convenience. I certainly don't think its a "bug". It doesn't seem like a bug, the way the ship passes so flawlessly through the barrier, as if it wasn't even there.
The holographic wall around Esthar is a physical barrier, made of variable camouflage plates.
The Ragnarok seems to fly 'through' the barrier, but the World Map is not drawn to scale. If you fly at ground level, it doesn't work (so far as I recall). Obviously, the ship is actually going over the barrier. The barrier has a finite height, after all; it isn't an all-encompassing dome.
The Garden can't even get onto the Esthar continent, so the entire debate is pointless. The Garden CANNOT land on Esthar; that continent has no beaches.
i think what Squall of SeeD meant was that somehow in the beginning of the story, you could find a way to get to the continent, not necessarily getting the Garden over there, but maybe parking the Garden next to the FH bridge and walking across to the Esthar area. i never tried that before, but some smart person might be able to actually get over there. in the event of that happening, it would jump from, oh, say, going to Trabia to getting Rinoa out of a coma, when she isn't in one at that point in the game. you may not understand what i just said, (hell, i don't) but just run with it :laughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D
I see what you mean, yeah. That barrier is only about 10-15 meters high, so both vehicles could easily fly over it. But because it's only 10-15 meters high, when you're travelling on the World Map it just looks like the ship is passing through it.
Not really a bug, just a means of not wasting time for the player:p
yeah, that makes sense, since like you said, the world map isn't really drawn to scale. (i realized that when i walked to Balamb and Squall was as tall as the town itself :confused: )
Yeah,thatīs interesting.
Do you remember being on Lunar Gate and being able to see the city at a distance?
And then when you get out you can not really see the the city because itīs too distant.It also shows the world map is not at scale.
And when you were at the desert crossroad between the missile base and the desert station it looks like the way to the missile base was straight but in the world map there is a gulf between the desert and the base.That was funny.
Actually if you try to enter Esthar with the Garden THROUGH GRANDIDI FOREST it is able to fly over the floor.However it will not pass through the wall.One can try this even on the second disk.So it seems that the Garden canīt pass and you are wrong.Quote:
I see what you mean, yeah. That barrier is only about 10-15 meters high, so both vehicles could easily fly over it. But because it's only 10-15 meters high, when you're travelling on the World Map it just looks like the ship is passing through it.
By the way,the Garden canīt fly.It just floats some meters from the floor.And it donīt looks like 10 to 15 meters.
By the way one can really land the Ragnarok on the middle of the barrier.
And if what you say makes sense why is it that the Ragnarok canīt pass through the mountains even knowing they werenīt at scale?
You know,internal consistency is needed on the world map also.It donīt cease to exist just because the world map is not at scale.
I am sure it isnīt a bug and agree that there was an Esthar technology that enables the ship to pass through the wall.It is a technology that only applies to the Ragnarok,not the wall.Quote:
Another thing.......the Ragnarok was engineered and built in Esthar. Its wouldn't surprise me if Esthar built their spaceship with the technology that allowed it to pass through their barriers.
For instance, maybe the Ragnarok alters the frequency of its shields to match the frequency of the energy field around Esthar so that it can pass through. (Kinda like in Star Trek, when "Picard/Janeway/Cisco/etc" has to fight an enemy for the first time, if they can't penetrate the shields right away, they sometimes find a way to alter their weapon frequencies to match that of the enemy's shields, so they penetrate the shields.) It IS a high-tech space ship, after all.
There are many possibilities. Something like what I stated above, or a proramming convenience. I certainly don't think its a "bug". It doesn't seem like a bug, the way the ship passes so flawlessly through the barrier, as if it wasn't even there.
The Ragnarok must have an internal mapping which helps it to recognize itīs relative location on the world map (kinda like a GPS).
Thatīs what make it possible to have automatic pilot.
This tecnology activates automatically when the ship approach the wall.
The ship recognize the position of the wall when it approaches it.
I believe this technology applies to nearly every vehicle on FF8 (except the low advanced trains of Galbadia and maybe some boats).The high advanced trains of Galbadia differs on the low ones on this technology (and speed and comfort,etc...).
But I really donīt believe that this technology is just about overpassing a solid wall.
It is something much deeper and too relevant to the storyline.
Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah.... :D
Itīs not intuitive.
*hits head against wall*
And then the peace was broken...
I love the way you can come into other peoples' threads and tell everybody how much the thread has no relevance, instead of talking about the topic at hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by boys from the dwarf
agreed
perhaps i should go to all of the threads BFTD has made and post the same thing in each one...? oohhhh, evil thoughts, evil thoughts.....
the programmers just didn't want it to be a pain. it makes the game a lil easier if you can just go THROUGH the wall instead of trying to make it over it and making things even more complicated. it's just an unimportant part of the game. anybody can interpret it the way they want, but it won't make a difference. It's just a random part of the game to not make it a pain in the ass. that's all.
That's what I thought. Just give it a try next chance you get. It does fly through as if it wasn't there, even at ground level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D
However, I'm sure it is still NOT a bug, nor does it have any relevance. Just a programming convienience, or a result of advanced technology built into the Ragarok.
Where is there indication of camouflage plates in the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D
When you cross the Great Salt Lake you end up seeing a ladder attached to what appears to be nothing. Climbing up and inside brings you beyond the camouflage, and it becomes clear that the camouflage is many plates. Just check out Future Esthars "beatifull" topic for a picture of one of the plates.