the way things are going pcs and consoles won't exist as seperate entities. they will also do tv and and other stuff. they will probbaly reduce in size to the modern laptop size as well.
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the way things are going pcs and consoles won't exist as seperate entities. they will also do tv and and other stuff. they will probbaly reduce in size to the modern laptop size as well.
I think your home will contain a cheaper Media Computer, and then a pc for more advanced applications. For the sake, of keeping work and play seperate :) I mean, some pc user getting a virus shouldnt qreck your tv time after all
bipper
And I feel the need to back that statement up by saying yes, system bus archetecture doesn't matter at all anymore. Consider that all games released for PC are currently running at 32 bits. Not even 64 bits (I don't care what board/CPU setup you're using, the game itself is only sending out instructions in 32 bit. Saying otherwise is like calling a Gameboy game 16 bit when you play it on your Super Gameboy, or 32 bit when you play it on your GBA). And yet the 32 bit games consistently look better than the 128 bit console games. Heck, you could probably throw together an 8 bit system that kicks ass if you were really hell bent on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheezo
As far as homebrew mods for consoles, I doubt that's far off. The way they're pushing PCs and consoles together lately it seems like they have something along those lines in mind.
You've got it backwards. Multimedia taxes system resources more than anything. Good speakers are expensive. Good graphics cards are expensive. Good monitors are expensive. Processors powerful enough to handle all these demands are expensive. That's just how it works. I'm not sure what these more advanced work applications are that you were thinking of, but while MS Office is indeed a memory hog, it's not NEARLY as bad as running a modern game. Unless you're working for Pixar you're probably not running intensive apps for work. If you ARE working for Pixar, that again relates to Multimedia, and is in a whole special category by itself. If the set top box DID come around it certainly wouldn't be cheap, but it might be cheap-er than having a computer, a DVD player, a game console, a DVR, a scanner, a printer, a phone and a home stereo system all seperately.Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
the reason i dont like the internet for systems like xbox is the same reason i dont like mmorpg's i mean you pay like $50+ to buy the game, then they are going to charge you more to play it. at least the internet on the computer is..... well, not free, but it allows you to do more than play games. and now that i think about it, you have to have super expensive braodband internet to use things like xbox live anyways. what a ripoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJZen
and also, does anyone know what made the ps2 such "low quality system?" it was being able to play ps1 games. when they put that ability in it minimized their ability to use new game tchnology. that is also what will make the ps3 not so good. being able to play ps1 games. ps2 hade some good games. but they wernt as good as they could have been.
i never foubnd a keyboard for any consol system. where can you get one?
what is wrong with analog control?
the ps2 was not a low quality system by any stretch of the imagination. it did the best with what was available at the time. the snes was a low quality system by modern standards in the same way. adding backwards compatibility did not reduce what it was capable of and increased it's worth.
A computer doesnt necessarily, launch, it depends on what you have in it. If you want to play the latest games with great preformance, the MAX you should spend on a brand new computeris $800-$1000, but even there is questionable. Its rediculous to say that the best computers are $2500, unless you are buying from Alienware, who jack there prices so high it makes them look like idiots to the high tech world.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJZen
I like console gaming better personally but that's just me. Mostly because I'm not a huge "online" fan.
But it really depends on the type of gamer you are.
PC games:
* Great for mod scenes, which is difficult to do with a joypad.
* Great for MMO type games, because most PCs come internet ready (ans most people already have an internet plan), plus it's easier to chat with people via keyboard than anything else.
* Pretty good for RTS & FPS games.
Consoles:
* Good if you want to keep the same "gaming rig" running for a while without needing to worry about sound cards and drivers and video cards. For any new game on the PC, unless you have a pretty new system, all the games with pretty graphics may not even work for you. Plus if you upgrade a device or device driver for a new game, it may mess up your previous games and make them unplayable.
* good for "party games" that require 2+ players in the same room (can you imagine trying to configure a keyboard to be used by 4 competitors at once? MAkes my fingers cramp just thinking about it).
* The joysticks are a bit more ergonomic if you play for a long time.
* Great for single player games like platformers and rpgs
(at least the jrpgs)
online gaming sucks. even more so now you have to pay alot of the time.
one day everything will be integrated and eveyone will be happy until they get a virus or corrupt file.
The ps2 because of its backwards compatability had limited ability to make new games. all the hardware and software had to complie so essentially the ps2 was a ps1 with a minor graphics upgrade and a dvd player. thus making it a lower quality system. the reason that it did so well was because it was the first of the new systems to come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
but this thread isnt about the ps2 so i will end by saying that i am really not a big fan of most online games. because you have to pay sooooooooo much for them. and thats why i like the computer more, as was stated erlier, it is internet ready, and their are games that can be played online for free.
Ummm... So I guess the Genesis was really nothing more than a slightly updated Master System which crippled its overall potential as a system. Or the DS is just a glorified Gameboy Color. In fact, the Dell I'm typing this from right now is really just a slightly updated 8086 based computer.
Yes, internet costs money, there's no getting around that. Some companies charge money for playing online, some don't. It's really no different from internet access from a PC. Anyone who says otherwise is obviously using their parents's computer. :love:
Hawkeye, you seem to be agreeing with me. I was saying that computers on the upwards end can go for $2500 because I WAS talking about Alienware. You can make a computer on steroids for about half what you'd pay them for it, but they DO actually make sales. Want to know how much the most expensive console ever made was? $2000, and even that wasn't a console in the strictest sense, it was primarily a media center like the PSX with some minor game functions built in. The PSX, for the record, came in two models. The more expensive of which only cost about $905.
So what's my point? My point is this. Game consoles are cheaper than computers. The Laseractive is really the only exception to this and it sold pitifully, and it was really just a glorified laserdisc player. I'm not saying consoles are going to win some sort of made up war against PCs, I'm saying the two are really going to merge into the same thing in the next few generations. They've been pushing for this ever since the CD-i came out back in 1991, and other consoles (ESPECIALLY Bandai's Pippin) have really showed that for the video game industry, "progress" means adding more and more PC like gimmicks. Just look at the Xbox 360, it's really media center that just happens to be able to play video games. The result isn't going to be one or the other, it's going to be the fabled "set top box". This is why the next generation of consoles is deliberately using a design that looks like something rich people would stick next to their TV. The designs are literally right out of the art deco textbook. Now here's the kicker. What is a game console's main function? To play games, duh. However, a console that ONLY plays games is considered inferior. This is exactly why the Gamecube was doomed from the start, and it's why the Revolution looks like it won't have a terrific lead in the next big race. I just want all you to think about that next time you post a rant about why you're not so into computer-like features on your game systems.
*gasps for oxygen*
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What is a game console's main function? To play games, duh. However, a console that ONLY plays games is considered inferior. This is exactly why the Gamecube was doomed from the start, and it's why the Revolution looks like it won't have a terrific lead in the next big race. I just want all you to think about that next time you post a rant about why you're not so into computer-like features on your game systems.
Quoted for truth. It disgusts me how people say PSP is better but only because of its mods and not what the PSP should really do(plaly games, and to those that actually play it for the games than the mods, this doesnt include you).Quote:
Yes, internet costs money, there's no getting around that. Some companies charge money for playing online, some don't. It's really no different from internet access from a PC. Anyone who says otherwise is obviously using their parents's computer.
And if paying for a game like that is bad, then you upkeep the servers.
im more oh a console player myself, but with a good anuf PC you can playany pc game or emulate any console, but on the other hand, as someone mentioned before, it is costly to keep upgarding your pc, personally i cant wait to get my hand on one of the PSP's and im just waiting for then Xbox 360 (im gunna have to get one of those)
however there is one simple solution to this GET BOTH :D
I tend to aggree that while your tv will be rigged to a multimedia computer thus *needing more power*; What I was really gonna say was that your multimedia computer and PC will remain seperated. By more advanced uses I meant mainly work and other nont media leisure time activities. I ment the applications were more advanced, not the tools required to run them. Poorly worded I guess and sorry. I don't ever think that the Home Theatre will get more ADVANCED than the pc. It will remain a media propriatary system.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJzen
Video games, DVD entertainment, Television, smellovision and all the other multimedia entertainment on one computer, and other systems on another. I don't really think (or hope) that home theaters get more out of control and over the top.
I think that families spending money on more of an integrated network of your PCs and derived machines would be a better way of doing things while running your theatre seperatley. Say for those people who live with families, know that having more than one computer now adays seems essential.
Bipper
I actually like both consoles and PCs for gaming. Certain things work well on one, certain things work well on the other. For example, strategy games are one of my fave genres, and the PC can absolutely kick the crap out of consoles for those. On the other hand, consoles do have many more RPGs and with a few exceptions, does them better. FPS games are kinda down the middle IMO. I think they can work perfectly well if the controls are refined for the console properly (That would be TimeSplitters we're talking about.).
*Shrugs* It's all gravy though. I have a pile of console games and a pile of PC games. If I were only to choose one, I'd have to go with PC because of the Civilization games, but I'd be damn sad to see many things on the consoles going.
1)yes and no, i cant compare genisis to master system because i never saw or played a master system. the ds has two seperate ports, one for older games to keep being allowed to play them, and one for new games so it can still be up to speed. (the advanced on the other hand was just a slight upgrade to the color.) and older games have a tendency not to run on newer computers, ex. i cant play red alert on anything newer than an operating system of windowes 95.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJZen
2) true. but to play internet games on consols, you have to have a good internet + pay for whatever internet thing the system uses.
3) i agree with all of your statments in theory.
4) also unfortunatly true. i like the gamecube. the other two had their good points, but when i buy a consol, i want it to play games. with the ps2 it seemed like you were really paying for the dvd player with a second hand ability to play games. the xbox was ok, but i only really like maybe four of its games, and of those four three of them you could get for pc.