Plot Theories

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The GF Eden is a Garden. The evidence is that she looks like an organic version of a Garden. Note the upper disc. Also the garden of Eden was the GF's namesake

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that is incredibly good theology, and very well thought out

^ What he said. The "Eden is a GARDEN" idea is most certainly the most plausible thing on this page. There are too many coincidances for it not to be planted by the designers. All the other theorizing on the nature of GF is unnessesary, I think. Most of the stuff I've read, while creative and more than I could've ever come up with, has no indications of being true in the game other than "well, there's nothing saying it's NOT true."

Take Ultimecia's guardians (all the annoying bosses in her castle, remember?) all having GF's to draw. I honestly believe that the designers put this feature in the game to help out players who had not gotten many GF's the first time through -- you'll note that ALL the GF's are possible to get on the 4th disc (except maybe Diablos, I'm not sure if you can get him in UC if you didn't grab the lamp from Cid). But I digress.

Kudos on the Eden/Garden theory, to BG-57 and Unknowns. You've made me believe it.

That´s a good possibility but consider this possibility I thought about now.

Zell invited our characters to sleep on his room on Balamb.

They dreamed about their childhood.

As soon as they reach Trabia Garden Zell start pondering if the Matron he sees on his dream was Edea.

Irvine knows is the right time to tell them about their childhood and will do it to please Selphie.

Quistis had dreamed about their childhood when Ellone was still at the orphanage.

She knows that Edea was with Ellone at the orphanage and wondered that there were something more to Edea´s wrath than world domination.
Selphie talks about her "dream" at the cemetery.
Squall is the one who keeps his thoughts concealed.
And finally,Rinoa decided she should start it all.
Don´t believe me?
We know Squal dreamed about his childhood at least two times.
First time they went to the dream world:
1-They talked about they dream
2-They realized they had the same dream when one of them talked about it.
The same proccess goes here.When Irvine talks about it everyone recognizes it.

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Originally Posted by Laugh at Face of Danger

that is incredibly good theology, and very well thought out

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Thanks. :)

I wonder why it took it so long to occur to me though.

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Originally Posted by HunterFlamebrow

^ What he said. The "Eden is a GARDEN" idea is most certainly the most plausible thing on this page. There are too many coincidances for it not to be planted by the designers. All the other theorizing on the nature of GF is unnessesary, I think. Most of the stuff I've read, while creative and more than I could've ever come up with, has no indications of being true in the game other than "well, there's nothing saying it's NOT true."

Take Ultimecia's guardians (all the annoying bosses in her castle, remember?) all having GF's to draw. I honestly believe that the designers put this feature in the game to help out players who had not gotten many GF's the first time through -- you'll note that ALL the GF's are possible to get on the 4th disc (except maybe Diablos, I'm not sure if you can get him in UC if you didn't grab the lamp from Cid). But I digress.

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Ah, but you're discussing the external logic of the game while we were discussing the internal logic of the game. I know drawable GF's in the bosses are for the convenience of the player, but I'm interested if it can be reconciled to the plot and storyline.

Or as Phil Farrad would say: 'I don't deal in reality'. :p

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Originally Posted by HunterFlamebrow

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Kudos on the Eden/Garden theory, to BG-57 and Unknowns. You've made me believe it.

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Again, thanks. :)

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

That´s a good possibility but consider this possibility I thought about now.

Zell invited our characters to sleep on his room on Balamb.

They dreamed about their childhood.

As soon as they reach Trabia Garden Zell start pondering if the Matron he sees on his dream was Edea.

Irvine knows is the right time to tell them about their childhood and will do it to please Selphie.

Quistis had dreamed about their childhood when Ellone was still at the orphanage.

She knows that Edea was with Ellone at the orphanage and wondered that there were something more to Edea´s wrath than world domination.
Selphie talks about her "dream" at the cemetery.
Squall is the one who keeps his thoughts concealed.
And finally,Rinoa decided she should start it all.
Don´t believe me?
We know Squal dreamed about his childhood at least two times.
First time they went to the dream world:
1-They talked about they dream
2-They realized they had the same dream when one of them talked about it.
The same proccess goes here.When Irvine talks about it everyone recognizes it.

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I have no idea what you're talking about here. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

That´s a good possibility but consider this possibility I thought about now.

Zell invited our characters to sleep on his room on Balamb.

They dreamed about their childhood.

As soon as they reach Trabia Garden Zell start pondering if the Matron he sees on his dream was Edea.

Irvine knows is the right time to tell them about their childhood and will do it to please Selphie.

Quistis had dreamed about their childhood when Ellone was still at the orphanage.
She knows that Edea was with Ellone at the orphanage and wondered that there were something more to Edea´s wrath than world domination.
Selphie talks about her "dream" at the cemetery.
Squall is the one who keeps his thoughts concealed.
And finally,Rinoa decided she should start it all.
Don´t believe me?
We know Squal dreamed about his childhood at least two times.
First time they went to the dream world:
1-They talked about they dream
2-They realized they had the same dream when one of them talked about it.
The same proccess goes here.When Irvine talks about it everyone recognizes it.

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So, they all dreamed of their childhood at Zell's house and all keep quiet until Irvine break the ice. And when Ellone was still at the oprhanage, Quistis is still a kid so what is the point of that?

Now, what is your conclusion then?

You misunderstood me.
I said that Quistis dreamed on Balamb about the time they were children.She dreamed that Ellone was with them.
There is no conclusion.This is a conclusion itself.

So, what's the point of that theory of yours? Eventually the outcome is Irvine breaking the story to everyone and the process doesn't make any sense.

I think that since they went to their own body on the past the images were keeped on their brain and they didn´t realized it was a dream but a memory.
This is nothing new.Sometimes we don´t remember our dreams immediately.

and the point is....

To cut off future esthars crack supply!

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I think that since they went to their own body on the past the images were keeped on their brain and they didn´t realized it was a dream but a memory.
This is nothing new.Sometimes we don´t remember our dreams immediately.

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So they mistook their dreams as memory?

So the childhood events are all dreams but not memory. So did you realize that everytime they get warped to the dream world, the dream world itself is actually a memory/past, something that had actually happened and not make believe.

And of course the dream world they went too are fake too since you insisted on your theory of WOTC and Edea being Rinoa's mother Quistis is Squall's daughter based on the basis of "we dun see it happening in the game doesn't mean it doesn't happen".

Don´t put words on my mouth which of course I didn´t said.
The dreams were real for sure.I just said that they had COMPLETELY forgot about their childhood.Then Ellone sends them to their bodies on the past.This dream then generates a memory on their head because they don´t remember this as being a dream.
But being the dream real the memory is real anyway even though this is the memory of the dream.This becames thus an exact copy of what they remember before using GF.

What´s the point of this?
This is an alternate theory to the Skyblade one in which he says the Gf was not on the memory part of the brain but on the one which activates memory.

Both theories are equally probable though.

The only way they could share false memories of a common childhood is if they were artificially implanted and there's no evidence in the game to support that.

Much more likely it was a real shared past that they forgot.

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Originally Posted by BG-57

The only way they could share false memories of a common childhood is if they were artificially implanted and there's no evidence in the game to support that.

Much more likely it was a real shared past that they forgot.

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You're forgetting about Dr. Odine, Future's mysterious "X"...

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Originally Posted by G SpOtZ

did the designers want to make us think about this so hard? do you think the designers would complicate a game so much that only people who are willing to think about it hard enough would understand the "ACTUAL" plot? i can't say this for 100%, but i'm pretty sure that the game wasn't supposed to be this complicated until people started thinking too hard.

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Says the simpleton.

I'll make this easy for you. SQUARE IS NOT RETARDED. They are aware of the intelligence level of their major fanbase (Japan). They know their fans like to nitpick and overthink the story, so they do their best to make sure everything they include is as accurate as possible, because their fans like to theorize on what the creators were thinking. They also know of our intelligence, which is why the games are not morbidly dumbed down when they reach America. How fun would a simple game be to an educated 20-year-old whose having an altogether boring day? None. When you're bored, you're brain needs activity and a simple game won't provide that. Which is why Final Fantasy (and others) includes so many real-world and mythological references, so the superior folk will have something worthwhile to figure out.