Plot Question

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she actualling takes on the form of seph to make cloud think its really seph. cause jenovas just leading him to the real seph (forget why) (all from other people at other forums)

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I think this isn't right. Jenova doesn't need to make Cloud go to Sephiroth, he will do it anyway because he has Jenova cells in him. These cells will lead him to the reunion (even though Cloud thinks it's his own free will) along with all the other clones to Sephiroth because that is what the reunion is. It is that no matter where all the Jenova parts are, they will eventually all come togeather in one spot.

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Oh and why use seph? cause that is a form cloud "knows" and wants to destroy. "settle the score" as said on midgar unfinished highway.
all to lead him to reunion.

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To my knowledge, I don't think Cloud is really motivated to destroy Sephiroth until he kills Aeris.

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From here, we can see that Sephiroth seems like he doesn't even know Cloud which might said he is actually JENOVA instead.

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Cloud wasn't a Soldier 1st Class, he was a puny foot soldier who Sephiroth probably barely even knew existed. You can't really expect Sephiroth to remember the foot soldiers who accompany him, can you?

I agree with Unknown's edit also. I believe it was Sephiroth's will that controlled the fake Sephiroth around the world. It makes the most sense.

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Originally Posted by zo-sama

Cloud wasn't a Soldier 1st Class, he was a puny foot soldier who Sephiroth probably barely even knew existed. You can't really expect Sephiroth to remember the foot soldiers who accompany him, can you?

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Ah, but he was the one who tossed Sephiroth into the Lifestream. Sephiroth didn't recognise him at first ("who are you?", asks the image on board the cargo ship), but apparently later realised who this was, and understood just how much of an illusion he was laboring under.

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I agree with Unknown's edit also. I believe it was Sephiroth's will that controlled the fake Sephiroth around the world. It makes the most sense.

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The 'fake Sephiroth' was, apparently, just a projection of Sephiroth's will combined with Jenova's body. It's clear that Jenova's body is little more than an automaton. It's got no head, and thus no brain or consciousness. It can move and fight on its own, but can't do anything constructive. Sephiroth's conscious mind, however, was able to guide it - and also use it. But it's definitely not Jenova herself who's actively in control. The things Sephiroth talks about, the way he always treats Jenova as a separate entity, are strong evidence of this. Sephiroth's dialogue at the Temple of the Ancients is the best display of this.

I haven't seen Advent Children yet, so can't comment on what it reveals (nor do I want to know; I'll wait and see it for myself)... but nothing from the game suggests that there's a perfect human copy of Sephiroth roaming the world, pretending to be him.

Anyway, to make this simple, if JENOVA is removed: (mean a "Sephiroth" saved her?)

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Originally Posted by SkyBlade

Um, I thought Sephiroth removed Jenova from the Shinra building... Jenova didn't escape, it was removed.

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or she escaped by herself: (She changed form to "Sephiroth"?)

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Originally Posted by Sephitachi7

And Sephiroth did NOT open Cloud's door. It was Jenova. If you pay close attention, after you come out from the cell someone (I'm think it was Barret) says that it looks like it was busted from the inside

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IMO, is one of the vital point to discuss about.

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Originally Posted by Sephitachi7

One thing I would like to clear up, Sephiroth did NOT come into Shin-ra headquarters. Sephiroth did NOT take Jenova's body. And Sephiroth did NOT open Cloud's door. It was Jenova

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But sephy's sword WAS stuck in Old Shinra's back...(sephy seems to like backstabbing. symbolic?)
Hojo said in the northern crater: "I thought the clones would begin to gather in Midgar, where Jenova is stored, but I was wrong. Jenova itself began to move away from the Shinra building".
Nuff said.
And did you notice the huge claw marks on the walls? Brrrrr.....
yeah, it must've been Jenova. But she/he/it obviously mutated into Sephiroth and killed the president. Because Palmer said he saw sephiroth and heard his voice. I'm sure palmer knows the difference between sephiroth and Jenova.

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Originally Posted by Cecinda

Hojo said in the northern crater: "I thought the clones would begin to gather in Midgar, where Jenova is stored, but I was wrong. Jenova itself began to move away from the Shinra building".

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I guess this clear everything. :kaohappy2

Yeah, but how did Hojo know that it wasn't Sephiroth like everyone else thought?