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Clous had been rid of JENOVA cells, so his is fatigue wouldnt be constantly high as it usually was. that why you see Cloud almost tire out near the end, but when Sephiroth says to Cloud "let me have the happiness of take everything away from" thats when his Spirit Energy starts to build up in massive amounts dealing the devastationg blow
Actually, Sephiroth IS more skillfull than Cloud, but not necisarilly stronger. I mean, he uses 1 really long and unweildy sword to fight against to shorter swords. Plus, he is known as being the world's premier swordsman. However, he just never seems to get that you should just kill the other guy when you have the chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynx
Omnislash V5 is awesome.
first of all, what fight were you watching i saw Sephiroth over power Cloud many times during that fight. if they were of equal strength the Cloud would not have colapsed near the end of the fight, not only did he collapse but he was sent flying backwards after Sephiroth's attack. Cloud was able to pull the sword out because his spiritual power was building so yes Sephiroth is more powerful but isnt as smart. I mean come on I can only think of 2 times when Cloud was on the attack one was when he did that Death Blow sort of move (when it had the 3 lines afterwards) and when he did Omnislash V5. At the start of the fight Sephiroth jumps into the air and Cloud jumps straight after him and when they meet Sephiroth parry's Cloud's thrust and counter-attacks him sending cloud flying back to the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
Contradiction yourself a bit there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
Contradicting, yes, I still believe they're equal, whenever they had equal attacks and no-one was caught off guard they were in a stalemate, there were a number of times where their swords were pressed together and neither could over power the other, that's why I say their strength as in physical strength, is equalQuote:
Originally Posted by Croyles
Kaiser, cloud collapsed from stamina, that's not strength, in fact, in the game they have seperate stats so that even supports that theory, what else. Sent flying backwards, yes when sephiroth gained the upper hand and caught cloud off guard, that doesn't make you stronger. Being on the offensive also does not make you stronger. In terms of physical strength I still believe they were equal, completely equal.
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Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
I dont know about you but I got the impression that when Sephiroth and Cloud had their swords pressed together that Sephiroth was toying with him, he even laughs during the middle of it, coupled with the fact it didnt even look remotely like Sephiroth was struggling. If they are "equal" as you say they are then Cloud would not have collapsed and he had to struggle to keep Sephiroth's sword at bay, the fact that he got stabbed (and Sephiroth could have killed him) speaks to me that they are not equal as it took Omnislash V5 for Cloud to kill Sephiroth, I dont remember Sephiroth ever useing a limit break and yet he had a chance to kill Cloud. So in short no. They are not equal. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
Guys it's a movie. Ofcourse Sephiroth is going to be stronger, it wouldn't be as dramatic if the main character had the upper hand on the bad guy.
I don't think Sephiroth ever thought Cloud would ever have defeated him...Haha..
He looked so surprised.
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Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
WRONG Sephiroth was testing Cloud and he can never die so why not play around with cloud's head eh? Sephy can never die because his cell's are embedded into the lifestream and without the lifestream NO-ONE lives, and also Sephiroth has no equal in strength at all not even Cloud by a LOOONG shot, sephy is like or is a GOD, Cloud is a human-
humans-mortal, fragile, emotional
Gods-Immortal, untouchable, merciless
and here people we have a Sephiroth fanboy. Technically everyone is immortal because they're all part of the lifestream. In fact Cloud was shot and killed and brought back to life in the church. According to Aerith, there was no room for him there, or in other words, he wasn't meant to die yet. So he gets to live, even though he was shot and killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Silver_SOLDIER
Sephiroth is NOT a god, in fact he's far from it. He's a lab experiment. A successful one, but not a god. I have no idea where you would get the idea that he is a god. And why would he toy with Cloud and delay himself the chance to rule with Jenova. AND he can only be brought back by Reunion, and I thought Jenova's neck was the last piece of Jenova.
Oh and to top it off, Sephiroth even commented on Cloud's power and strength, so don't even try saying he is a pathetic weakling.
EDIT: In fact after just watching the fight again, there was even a point, right after Sephiroth asked him what made him stronger while they were in stalemate, that Cloud overpowered him and sent him flying backwards through the wall out of the building.
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PS: and Kaiser, way to take the quote out of context to appear as if I was contradicting myself, when if read in context, I wasn't
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Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
wow he commented on his strength so what that proves nothing and the jenova cells are also part of the lifestream thats why sephiroth is so it is there forever and also he is essentially a God (One Winged Angel)
when you die everyone becomes part of the lifestream that argument doesn't say anything. I mean is Aerith a goddess? NO. And like I said, just after Sephiroth comments on his strength, he overpowers him and pushes him back.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Silver_SOLDIER
And, angel's aren't gods, they're workers of god, or god underlings. OK, maybe Jenova is a goddess in some way being something different and surviving so long, but all that makes Sephiroth is her little puppet soldier to do her bidding, not making him a god. Don't get me wrong, Sephiroth is strong, but he isn't a god.
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The_Silver_SOLDIER, your wrong!
ljkkjlcm9, JENOVA isnt a ancient, she was only mistaken for one by Professor Gast, she is an alien which infected the Cetra/Ancients.
What Sephiroth read in the Shinra mansion was false research.
Sephy cant exist without JENOVA cells within people's bodies to start a reunion to bring about another reunion.
Sephy and JENOVA were one of the same now, they share the same will to bring dispair to Gaia.
ok sephiroth is a science experiment. hoje and lucrecia were gonna have a kid when hojo injeceted the soon to be sephiroth with jenova cells. since sephiroth was in the womb still developing instead of turinging them into some crazy messed up clone like the guys you meet in ff7 in nibelheim (those were the survivors of the incident i think it was 5 years ago i might be mistaken but hojo experimented on them with jenova cells too) it fused with him cause he was still developing and the jenova cells bacame part of the development.
he then used the jenova cells and mako on cloud and zack. makeing cloud catatonic. and his semi conches self made him think all the storys he heard from zack were him. then zack was killed and they left cloud for dead cause he wasnt moveing or doing much. because cloud was tested on with the jenova cells and mako he became as powerful as a soldier actually even more powerful then the average soldier.
the only way for sephiroth to come back is with reunion which in ffac case was either kadaj yahzoo or loz had to i guess you could say merge with jenova. kadaj yahzoo and loz were "remnants of sephiroth" they were basically the spirit of sephiroth takeing a human solid body form with the goal to have a reunion with jenova. and that reunion would bring back a kind of sephiroth. because of jenovas shapshifting abilitys it could take the form of sephiroth and with sephiroths spirit and jenova cells it would have the power of sephiroth too.
as far as people thinking of sephiroth as a god thats false. he wanted to be like a god. his idea was to make meteor hit the earth so the lifestream would rush to a certain spot and sephiroth would go there and somehow become more powerful. i forget how if there was even an axplanation of how. an when the lifestream came from all over some of jenova was carried in. and thats how it infected so many people.
ok i belive i got sidetracked some but that should explain some to everyone who reads it. by the way i dont want to take all the credit i learned this from a website but unfortunatly i dont remeber the website address sorry but how hard could it be to find.
anyways the score still stands 3 to 0 with cloud haveing 3.
besides the whole thing when they have there swords slammed together and cloud slams him through the wall and to outside. sephiroth was jsut useing the same amount of power cloud was to toy with him and cloud showed him theres a lot more power he has hideing but is obviously haveing trouble releaseing.
the reason cloud falls and stumbles during the fight was because he was exhausted. sephiroth is like superhuman so for all we know he could never get tired where as cloud does get tired. also besides he had just had a good fight with kadaj and 5 minutes before that getting blasted at in the church and 5 minutes before that fighitng loz and yahzoo on the motorcycles and 5 minutes before that fighting bahaumut. i mean come on cut cloud some slack who wouldnt be tired after all that? by the way i exagerate some by saying 5 minutes before. but still point still stands he wasnt weak just human and because of that he gets tired after jumping 100s of feet in the air and fighting everyone and everything. also sephirtoh seemed stronger cause he was way more confident then cloud. he belives hes the strongest. where its cloud who really is the strongest cloud just doesnt know it until sephiroth reminds him of what cloud is fighting for. then BAM! in comes clouds true strength and skill. saying cloud is weaker is dumb cause in fighting power in only some of the percentage of fighting a lot more is skill. and i doubt when you guys say who is stronger your talking about who can bench the most weight.
so there cloud wins hes stronger.
Nicely said Lynx