how many of you are cheap?

firstly even though I know you were kidding, not many people can do the 'cheap tactic' that you speak of. I can't, simply because I don't wanna get a gold chocobo. But even if I did, I probably wouldn't be able to find w/summon and mime and all that other good stuff. So reall the challenge in using the 'cheap tactic' is finding the stuff in it's entirerty, KOTR, Mime, Final Attack, blah blah all those other good materia you think that are 'cheap' for being used in that manner. If you spent the hours, or maybe days for some, finding that stuff, you deserve to use 'em.

i still don't see how anything programmed into a game is cheap, that makes no sense to me, especially something that is so hard to obtain. Actually the Weapons were added after KoTR already existed(into the US version), so it's not like they put it in there to help people beat the weapons, so shush

THE JACKEL

I'm cheap... just buy me dinner and I'm yours <3

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Originally Posted by Christmas

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This is cheap????? That dude uses KOTR.

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Whoever came up with that tactic was a genious. Kudos to them.

And for Cheapness, people like doing these things because its fun. If i had the patience i would reinact the emerald/tifa fight.
The only thing i did that might be considered cheap is on Kefka in ff6, i powered up everyones magic with espers so ultima did 9999. Used Quick with eveyone and one person with the gem box, giving me 10 ultimas by the time everyone went. Also i had life 3 cast on my entire party the fight right before kefka to get around the wierd effect that guy uses on you. Though i myself wouldn't consider this cheap, but smart.

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Why do you have to throw out lines like "let them think they are fantastic" show me evidence a lot of people think that, make little snide comments are what I've been talking about. Anyways, these bosses do have storyline value (FFVII's WEAPONS do at least) though not much, but just feel happy that you could beat it with more challenge. Don't make snide remarks about others. Anyways, congrats on beating it without KoTR or other strong moves! It's a nice achievement that's worth doing if you enjoy it

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I think you are taking my sarcasm, dryness and point black denial for something else. im not making personal attacks on anyone, these are my views. and were put forward accordingly until i received a less then adequete response from ljkkjlcm9, who less than politley told me i could think what i want and he doesnt care. Eoff to me has always come across as a site where people respect other peoples opinions, and held a certain amount of respect to them in regards to this, because its something i dont find in other sites. I almost thought i was back on LIM so forgive me


Christmas

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This is cheap????? That dude uses KOTR.

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i havnt time to watch this right now but i am sure you are proving that Kotr isnt always cheap. I respect that and understand it can be used avoiding the cheapness


Shiva's Effect

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firstly even though I know you were kidding, not many people can do the 'cheap tactic' that you speak of. I can't, simply because I don't wanna get a gold chocobo. But even if I did, I probably wouldn't be able to find w/summon and mime and all that other good stuff. So reall the challenge in using the 'cheap tactic' is finding the stuff in it's entirerty, KOTR, Mime, Final Attack, blah blah all those other good materia you think that are 'cheap' for being used in that manner. If you spent the hours, or maybe days for some, finding that stuff, you deserve to use 'em.

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you dont have to work to gain invicibility items in ffviii they are handed to you after an incredibley simple battle. And $toss (dont take this any further than my examplple im not wishing to start a new debate on whether this is cheap or not it is my opinion) is practically given to you in ffv. As for Kotr, its your reward for beating ruby, you should never have to breed a golden chocobo. That aside, yes, if you worked for it then its yours to use freely, but that doesnt mean that its not being used cheaply (again my opinion)


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i still don't see how anything programmed into a game is cheap, that makes no sense to me, especially something that is so hard to obtain. Actually the Weapons were added after KoTR already existed(into the US version), so it's not like they put it in there to help people beat the weapons, so shush

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no they made it as a reward for beating the weapons, maybe they thought it was cheap [srug] anyhoo, you are indeed a worthy adversary and i will take heed to your advice and shush (no sarcasm, i seem to be alone on this, im willing to accept defeat)


DJZen

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I'm cheap... just buy me dinner and I'm yours <3

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there is a micrwave meal in the fridge, help yourself


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And for Cheapness, people like doing these things because its fun. If i had the patience i would reinact the emerald/tifa fight.
The only thing i did that might be considered cheap is on Kefka in ff6, i powered up everyones magic with espers so ultima did 9999. Used Quick with eveyone and one
person with the gem box, giving me 10 ultimas by the time everyone went. Also i had life 3 cast on my entire party the fight right before kefka to get around the weird effect that guy uses on you. Though i myself wouldn't consider this cheap, but smart.

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cheapness is down to opinion. there is usually one weapon/item/tool i can see in every final fantasy game which has been abused and cheaply used. Nobody needs more than one Kotr certainly no more than two at most. The people who fight endless hours of stealing from crystal dragons from ffv just so they can defeat shinryu when he is very simply beaten at level 40 without them (not to mention coral rings) only using the tools you have. And invincibilty items are lost on me, surely if you are invicible then you cannot lose ie your not playing a "game". but most people dont consider any of those things cheap. its opinion. i dont think you were cheap

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Originally Posted by shinangel2292

no they made it as a reward for beating the weapons, maybe they thought it was cheap [srug] anyhoo, you are indeed a worthy adversary and i will take heed to your advice and shush (no sarcasm, i seem to be alone on this, im willing to accept defeat)

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I think you missed his point. The weapons weren't in the original Japanese release of FFVII, KotR was. It wasn't meant as a reward for beating them since they weren't added to the game until the American release. The intention was always that people would have to get a Gold Chocobo to get it. Therefore it's a reward for the hardwork involved in getting it, and regardless of what you may believe, having KotR doesn't mean that someone new to an FF game can go and easily beat the Weapons or Sephiroth (especially if he ends up with all that added HP). Someone who doesn't go in with the right strategy in those battles will likely still lose. And honestly, I doubt someone new to an FF game would be able to find it at all without a lot of time or help. It's a reward for those who take the time and effort to get it, not to make the game easier for those who can't hack it in the first place.

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And invincibilty items are lost on me, surely if you are invicible then you cannot lose ie your not playing a "game". but most people dont consider any of those things cheap. its opinion. i dont think you were cheap

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As I recall (though someone correct me if I'm wrong), those invincibility items are fairly random in how long they last. I've tried them before and had them last anywhere from a few minutes to a matter of seconds if I'm not mistaken. And again, they're not likely to guarentee victory. If you don't know what you're doing, you're still going to get killed. And in the case of the invincibility items, you still need to find the right cards to mod to get the best ones. I see it as a reward for those who are persistent in exploring every nook and cranny of the game. Frankly, the junction system is so easily exploitable if you know what you're doing though that invincibility items are rather pointless. And odds are, the people who know how to get these invincibility items also know the ins and outs of junctioning.

You say all these tools and things are cheap, but personally, I think they'd only be cheap if they were so overpowered that they guarenteed victory every time they were used. I can't think of a single one off the top of my head with the exception perhaps of the vanish/doom trick in FF6 that truly guarentees you'll win just about every battle. Many of these still require a certain amount of skill against the harder bosses if you want to avoid getting slaughtered.

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You say all these tools and things are cheap, but personally, I think they'd only be cheap if they were so overpowered that they guarenteed victory every time they were used. I can't think of a single one off the top of my head with the exception perhaps of the vanish/doom trick in FF6 that truly guarentees you'll win just about every battle. Many of these still require a certain amount of skill against the harder bosses if you want to avoid getting slaughtered.

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Ah yes, the Vanish doom trick. IF only it worked on Kefka.
Back on point, i really don't have one. i just felt like posting.

Wait, i just thought of one. Whether or not a trick is considered cheap, i am likely to use it depending on the situation. I mean, i would have vanished/doom kefka in a heartbeat if they would let me. I say if they give you a cheap trick use it. Cheap, not cheap, who cares? I play mostly for the story anyway. And if the designers didn't want someone to find a way to easily beat certain people, they wouldn't program in such ways like Kotr or the invincible items. They are put there so that people will be able to think of different tactics that are more affective in the game then others. The only thing that i think is really cheap in a game is exploiting glitches, things that actually werent' ment to be there. Though thats my opinion, at least i think it is.

I'm too lazy to read trough all your posts, so I'll just say what I think:

I consider, for example, using Zanmato to beat the Dark Aeons and Penance extremely "cheap".

That Zanmato was made into the game doesn't mean it can't be "cheap". It only means it's no "cheat". I don't have anything against people using it, however... from my point of view, they never actually "beat" them. In order to truely beat someone, you'll have to fight FAIR! :greenie:

I prefere to not use invincibility items, but they are far from being as cheap as instant-death moves.


But in the end... even whenever something's cheap or not is just up to personal opinions, I guess.

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I'm too lazy to read trough all your posts, so I'll just say what I think:

I consider, for example, using Zanmato to beat the Dark Aeons and Penance extremely "cheap".

That Zanmato was made into the game doesn't mean it can't be "cheap". It only means it's no "cheat". I don't have anything against people using it, however... from my point of view, they never actually "beat" them. In order to truely beat someone, you'll have to fight FAIR! :greenie:

I prefere to not use invincibility items, but they are far from being as cheap as instant-death moves.


But in the end... even whenever something's cheap or not is just up to personal opinions, I guess.

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Defend ability in FFVIII is "Cheap"....

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Originally Posted by Neco Arc

Defend ability in FFVIII is "Cheap"....

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Feel free to think it is, but could you tell me "why" you think it's cheap?

I really, really don't consider Defend anywhere near cheap. It does NOT make you invurnable + once you input another command, the effect of Defend dissapears. This doesn't give you an unfair advantage. Hero items, on the other hand, makes you completely invurnable and allows you to perform any action without losing the effect.

i was being sarcastic, i guess

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Originally Posted by Neco Arc

i was being sarcastic, i guess

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Ok. xD

:p

I'm not cheap. I don't like to use those zOMG SO smurfIN' DAMAGIN' MOVES, I like to suffer to beat bosses and hard enemies.

Of course, some of them are so easy that it doesn't matter if you are cheap or not. Li-grim in FFTA, NEcron in FFIX, all forms of Ultimecia in FFVIII... they are so easy even if I kill them using Firaga -__-''''