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I just think it was unfair that it wasn't even nominated for Visual Effects, considering they only nominated three films that weren't significantly better than Episode III. Is there some new policy by which they only nominate three films? I mean, if they absolutely can't find anything else to fill up the category, fair enough, but Narnia, King Kong, and War of the Worlds were not the only films with good CG released last year. I don't see why the amazing effects in Star Wars were somehow considered unworthy of a nomination.

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Originally Posted by RSL

Star Wars was nominated for makeup. And you shouldn't judge a movie that you haven't seen.

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Thats why I said "from the reviews I read", in which Im asking for other peoples opinions, and Im not talking about nominated, Im talking about winning.

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I just think it was unfair that it wasn't even nominated for Visual Effects, considering they only nominated three films that weren't significantly better than Episode III. Is there some new policy by which they only nominate three films? I mean, if they absolutely can't find anything else to fill up the category, fair enough, but Narnia, King Kong, and War of the Worlds were not the only films with good CG released last year. I don't see why the amazing effects in Star Wars were somehow considered unworthy of a nomination.

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Exactly..

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Originally Posted by SoulTaker*

Uhhh, Costume, makeup, art direction, IT most definitely should have won for original score, visual effects, robbed I say. And although Lucas's script was smurfed, Ian McDiarmid should have been nominated for something with his performance. I think this is the first Star Wars film to be snubbed as it did.

Did anybody see Memoirs of a Geisha? Form the reviews Ive read, it was mediocre at best.

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The Geisha movie itself was bad but the art direction was supurb. The Star Wars score was unoriginal was basic fare that has been set by all the previous Star Wars movies for the most part. It is good and easily gets the job done but it isn't beyond everything else.

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Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm

The Geisha movie itself was bad but the art direction was supurb. The Star Wars score was unoriginal was basic fare that has been set by all the previous Star Wars movies for the most part. It is good and easily gets the job done but it isn't beyond everything else.

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I dont know I got the OST and it is pretty good, "battle Of Heroes" is one of my favorites of all time, but Im not Im not in the academy, so they obiously must have the BBR, Geisha, Munich, Constant Gardener OST's, but not even nominated? Im guessing your sayin it wasnt original enough, o well.

I am saying it wasn't good enough. All of those OST are not very original. They were just done better and incoporated a lot of the style of their movie into the sound track. Classical Japanese Music for Geisha and Single Acustic Country sounding Guitar for Brokeback. They did more than sound good. They helped to put you in the atmosphere of the era.

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Originally Posted by RSL

Brokeback mountain was expected to win best picture, but it was not expected to sweep the awards. As it turns out, four films won three oscars a piece. That is pretty strange if you ask me.

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Well, Brokeback Mountain did swoop the Golden Globes, so what were we expected to believe.
I happen to think most of you lot are lying to look cleverer than the average person. I watched countless programs discussing the Oscars and everyone thought Brokeback was going to win most of its categories. What are we supposed of of thought, they are the experts, Ill go by what they said. Seeing as Brokeback didnt do as well as everyone thought, some jackasses come out and claim they knew all along but were just keeping stum about it. Acting like they know better than most.
Also, did everyone even watch Brokeback, it did deserve to swoop the awards as it was that good.

I watched Brokeback for the second time just last night in the vain hope that I might suddenly see why people were so upset that it lost, and I still didn't get it.

As for Brokeback deserving to win over Crash, I disagree, and it seems a lot of other people do too. I was really happy Crash won, because I did think that Brokeback was going to win but not because I wanted it to. Notable that BBM rates 7.9 or 8.0 or something on IMDb while Crash manages 8.4. BBM was breakthrough, sure, but breakthrough doesn't always mean it's a great movie, it just means it managed to do something not already done (ie make a lot of money from a story based on a gay relationship).

I haven't seen Walk The Line, Munich or many other films that were nominated, but I hear the fans of Munich are just as peeved about Munich losing as BBM fans are about BBM losing. It happens.

EDIT: Having said that, just because I agree that the majority did think BBM would win doesn't mean a lot of people didn't think other movies would win, and to say a lot of people in this thread are lying is an unfair and unjustified accusation.

BBm deserved best movie over Crash IMO, but Crash had some great actors, Ludacris was probably the one who stood out most. Wasnt Matt Dillon nominated for best Male Actor ?

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Originally Posted by Dreddz

Well, Brokeback Mountain did swoop the Golden Globes, so what were we expected to believe.
I happen to think most of you lot are lying to look cleverer than the average person. I watched countless programs discussing the Oscars and everyone thought Brokeback was going to win most of its categories. What are we supposed of of thought, they are the experts, Ill go by what they said. Seeing as Brokeback didnt do as well as everyone thought, some jackasses come out and claim they knew all along but were just keeping stum about it. Acting like they know better than most.

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Golden Globes are a crap award.

Also I did know. Here are my picks from back in January.

http://forums.eyesonff.com/showpost....19&postcount=8

I guess I know better than most.

Dreddz, everything I watched and read predicted Phillip Seymour Hoffman to win best actor. I don't know what you watched, but it must've been something that no one else did.

I'm not trying to look clever after the fact. As I watched the awards, nearly every one went to who I was led to believe was the favorite. The only exception are awards like documentary and stuff that I wasn't familiar with (so I couldn't remember who was supposed to be the favorite) and best picture, which everyone and their dog (but not Roger Ebert) thought was going to go to Brokeback Mountain.

No one thought it was going to win every award. Movies rarely win EVERY award they are nominated for (though Return of the King managed to do that a couple years ago, 11 out of 11).

I've been watching and following the oscars for many years. I can safely say there were few surprises.

By the way Dreddz, go to this site:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388795/awards

You will see that Brokeback Mountain DID NOT sweep the Golden Globes. There are three awards it did not win that it was nominated for. ONE OF THEM WAS BEST ACTOR, NOMINEE HEATH LEDGER. He didn't win. So I don't know what you saw that predicted that he would win the oscar for this. Phillip Seymour Hoffman was the favorite, and even if he wasn't, Joaquin Phoenix (no idea if I spelled that right) was next!

That being said, Brokeback Mountain did basically sweep all the best Picture awards this year, and it was a huge upset that it did not also win that Oscar.

EDIT: Here's a list of oscar predictions that an oscar based site compiled. You will see that there weren't many surprises. I'm sorry Dreddz, but you're just wrong about this.

http://www.oscarwatch.com/Predictions05/winchart.html

I'm pleased that Rachel Weisz won - she's very pretty. Oh, and it was a very good performance as well, but that doesn't really matter... :)

I'm not sure about best film. There were all good, but none of the those that I've seen struck me. Crash felt a bit contrived and preachy, Brokeback was essentially an old story in new clothes (although executed excellently) and Munich was at least 20 minutes too long.

The way I see it, Ang Lee won Best Director for taking a difficult concept and making it work exceptionally well. Crash won Best Picture simply because it was a better film, certainly more complex, and there wasn't a weak link in the ensemble cast.

Oh man, I'm too tired to get into this again.

I'll summarize. The loss of the film, after being celebrated, awarded, and praised ACROSS THE BOARD along with having the box office and the great reviews, to a film with far worse reviews and box office profit, is so extraordinary that nothing can explain it to me except homophobia on the part of straight men within the Academy.

And in none of my criticism of the Academy do I blame the creators of Crash. Crash is a good (but very flawed) movie and everyone should see it if they can. But Crash was not a work of art, as Brokeback Mountain was.

Roger Eberts, crazy and senile as he is predicted that Crash would win. I can respect him on his opinon that Crash was the best picture of the year. Why? Because he saw all the movies and compared them based on content and what they made him feel. Can't argue with that.

But the Academy has members on record as saying they wouldn't watch BBM and wouldn't vote for it based on nothing but the gay storyline. That's the sore spot.

No one will ever be able to convince me that Crash won because it was a better movie than Brokeback Mountain which is currently on track to becoming one of the most awarded motion pictures in film history. It won because racism is easier to support than homosexuality.

I will bet my life, that decades from now, Crash will fade into obscurity and Brokeback Mountain will still be remembered and have it's place in film history. I have followed the Oscars since I was in Middle School. And never have I been so disgusted with the Academy as I was Sunday night. The AMPAS have lost all validity with me, and I know that in these coming days, weeks, years, they will realize how hugely they stumbled this year.

And now, from some quotes from people far more eloquent than I.

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Originally Posted by Nikki Finke, in the LA Weekly

"Way back on Jan. 17, I decided to nominate the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences for Best Bunch of Hypocrites. That's because I felt this year's dirty little Oscar secret was the anecdotal evidence pouring in to me about hetero members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences being unwilling to screen 'Brokeback Mountain.' For a community that takes pride in progressive values, it seemed shameful to me that Hollywood's homophobia could be on a par with Pat Robertson's."

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Originally Posted by Kenneth Turan, LA Times

So for people who were discomfited by "Brokeback Mountain" but wanted to be able to look themselves in the mirror and feel like they were good, productive liberals, "Crash" provided the perfect safe harbor. They could vote for it in good conscience, vote for it and feel they had made a progressive move, vote for it and not feel that there was any stain on their liberal credentials for shunning what "Brokeback" had to offer. And that's exactly what they did.

Hollywood, of course, is under no obligation to be a progressive force in the world. It is in the business of entertainment, in the business of making the most dollars it can. Yes, on Oscar night, it likes to pat itself on the back for the good it does in the world, but as Sunday night's ceremony proved, it is easier to congratulate yourself for a job well done in the past than actually do that job in the present.

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I know it's silly to put so much stock into what a group of people have to say, but as someone who has wanted to be a filmmaker and who has loved the magic of filmmaking since The Neverending Story, I can't help but be emotionally invested in these things like sports fans are emotionally invested in their teams.

And after pouring over this issue, after seeing favorite Oscar sites SHUT DOWN in protest to Sunday night's Oscar heist, I feel absolutely and completely drained of all emotion.

AMPAS, y'all can go suck it because none of it matters anymore.

And on a slightly different note, The Three Six Mafia and their Oscar win was glorious. Oh those pimps.

Meh.. Not gonna comment on "Brokeback" not winning, cause I haven't watched it. But, I am of the opinion that "Crash" was over-rated crap. before I finally saw it, I'd been looking forward to it for several months. I sat through the movie in a state of disbelief and finished watching it feeling like I'd just been apart of a really bad joke. Not the worst movie of the year, but I felt it was definately one of. I can't believe it won "Best Picture". Then again, based on what is considered to be "quality filmmaking" these days, I guess I really should have expected it.

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

I watched Brokeback for the second time just last night in the vain hope that I might suddenly see why people were so upset that it lost, and I still didn't get it.

As for Brokeback deserving to win over Crash, I disagree, and it seems a lot of other people do too. I was really happy Crash won, because I did think that Brokeback was going to win but not because I wanted it to. Notable that BBM rates 7.9 or 8.0 or something on IMDb while Crash manages 8.4. BBM was breakthrough, sure, but breakthrough doesn't always mean it's a great movie, it just means it managed to do something not already done (ie make a lot of money from a story based on a gay relationship).

I haven't seen Walk The Line, Munich or many other films that were nominated, but I hear the fans of Munich are just as peeved about Munich losing as BBM fans are about BBM losing. It happens.

EDIT: Having said that, just because I agree that the majority did think BBM would win doesn't mean a lot of people didn't think other movies would win, and to say a lot of people in this thread are lying is an unfair and unjustified accusation.

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I know just what your talkin about, IMDb is a circus right now, some of the BBM fans are talking about continuously voting Crash a 1 until BBM ranks higher, before Crash won for best picture it received a ranking of 40 something on their top 250 films of all time, now its ranked at like 72, BBM isnt ranked btw. I think Crash deserved it, it was a independent film that barely got off the ground, and John Singleton had to fund it, it only had a budget of 5 mil and ended up making 50+, while BBR made like 70+ not much more, especially after all the hype it received, somebody actually posted that crash won because of the events of Hurricane Katrina.

Crash was a brilliant film about the human psyche and how we perceive others of a different race, Don Cheadle's opening lines were basically exactly the way racism is today in America. Anyway im not disputing whether BBM was a good movie, it ran to much with a gimmick, a well directed and acted gimmick, but a gimmick non the less, and Heath Ledger an Australian looks nothing like a cowboy I have ever seen btw. And I wonted have been pissed if Crash didnt win, I really dont go by what the oscars say, Saving Private Ryan, GoodFella's and Pulp Fiction are some of my favorite movies of all time, and they didnt win Best Picture, while Titanic which I hate everything about it till the last 20 minutes swept.

(SPOILER)I love showing Crash to people who havent seen it and watching their expressions during the scene when the girl runs out to her father right before he is about to be shot, you can see the tears start to well up, and the anguish in their faces, then the relief after they find out the girl is alright, that scene really grabs you.