Mafia V: Official game thread (Day 7 - Game Over. Town Win!)

Ramza:


The Ramza has noted something, not much was gained from this entire day for The Ramza. At all.

At least nothing the Ramza pieced together on his own.

In addition to original suspicions against Barret, The Ramza takes not of him saying Fran had switched her vote, thus making him look more suspicios.

In addition, Barret posted very little, until he was under fire. The Ramza believes a sudden change in patterns like that is odd.

The Ramza prays to the Gods that The Ramza is about to make the right decision.

##Vote: Barret

Translation:

All I really learned from today was someone saying that Barret lied about Frans vote changing. IT clearly didn't. I'd rather no one mention it until later to draw someone else out instead, but meh, he gets my vote for sure now.

Sorry if you are town.

Faris:

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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa

Faris, what made you decide Mog over the other inactives?

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Of the inactive people Mog I think warrants the most suspicion. Some of the other inactives have posted enough and greater detail that I can't really get suspicion out of them for being quiet earlier, such as Basch, Auron, or Edge.

However the 3 most inactive people I've seen thus far were Freya, Mog, and Vivi. Of them they all warrant suspicion, but Mog in my eyes is the highest on my list, Freya I'm attributing her partially to just inactivity, her one post hasn't made me too suspicious of her yet, and Vivi, I honestly don't know what to think of. He's quiet, has made the most posts of the three, and despite all that he's also come up in a LOT of discussions especially with Irvine(known scum). So I chose Mog of the 3, as I hold some suspicion towards Vivi, but at the same time it also looks like he might just be getting set up. So I'm withholding judgments towards him until I can either figure out what's up with him, or something happens allows me to figure out what is up with him and all the activity involving him.

Edit: Whooops said Irvine voted em first, looked over to confirm and realized I remembered wrong. Doh.

Freya:


I'm so sorry everyone, both my internet and my partner's went down over the weekend. Plus I was unexpectedly transported to my grandma's house (weird coincidence, eh?). I'm posting from school now. I don't want to vote in a rush (got me in trouble last time it seems), so I will just read over everything carefully and vote later today.

Auron:


Players who are still inactive: Freya, Mog, Vivi.

Freya's only post:

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Originally Posted by [M] Freya

I think I will trust Ingus and Edgar for this round. If either of them are mafia, it will become clear to us sometime in the game.

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Originally Posted by [m] Vivi

Lets get this over with.

##Vote: Edge

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I really, really, do not like this post.

##Vote: Vivi

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Freya had a similar mindset as I did in the beginning about the Ingus/Edgar thing. Like I said before, Edgar is not as dodgy-looking to me now but that's still under investigation. Maybe Ingus just tried to pick a fight with someone and avoid being lynched to insure that he would be targetted during the night. Whether he was trying to aid the Mafia by joining them or aid the town by getting himself killed by someone else to prevent a Mafia recruitment is up in the air. That could be a reason that he acted so crazy. But back to Freya. She voted for Vivi but only because she really didn't like his post. Not having a logical explanation for voting is an easy way to get a group of lynchers after you.

Mog's three posts:

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Originally Posted by [M] Mog

Well, this should be exciting! Who should we lynch first, kupo?

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Originally Posted by [M] Mog

Wow, we sure have some active players this time. That makes it fun, but also a pain when I leave for short amounts of time. In any case, I really haven't come to a conclusion from everyone's bickering, and first day lynching's are silly anyway. But, since I know I've seen this happen once before...
##Vote: Aeris

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Originally Posted by [M] Mog

I'd love to see what Lulu has to say.

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The first one I'm willing to throw out. Just a little bit of spam introduction. The second one is much juicier. Mog mentions not coming to a conclusion but happens to decide on Aeris. He is the only one to do so on Day 1, playing on his thoughts of usually seeing someone innocent go down first day because of random voting. I remember Cyan pretty adamantly defending Aeris at one time. Cyan was a Mason, an awesome ally for the town. I'm mostly sold that Aeris is an innocent. Lastly, Mog posts on Day 2 but does not vote.

Vivi's four posts:

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Originally Posted by [m] Vivi

what up?
EDIT: I take it I'm not good enough for a big M.

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Originally Posted by [m] Vivi

Lets get this over with.
##Vote: Edge

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Originally Posted by [m] Vivi

Everyone has to vote for someone, I just took a stab in the dark. I really don't think it makes a big difference.

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Originally Posted by [m] Vivi

That's why I said I don't think it's going to make that much of a difference.

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First post, same as Mog. Intro spam. Second post, the one that made me suspect him. The voting had already started but he enters the fray by throwing in a random name without a reason. Third post, "everyone has to vote for someone" rule seems to not apply since a lot of people missed votes on Day 2. Lastly, he points out that he doesn't think it makes a big difference who he votes for at that early stage. There were still 20 hours left on Day 1, so I can understand what he may have meant. However, he never came back to change his vote AND has yet to come back at all.

I think it's entirely possible that all the mafia are just biding their time and letting us pin the blame on ourselves. In my opinion, it's insane that Day 3 is almost over and we only have half the possible votes in.

After looking at the inactives more carefully, I'm now going to have to say I also think Mog is more likely to be mafia for reasons stated above.

##Unvote: Vivi
##Vote: Mog

Edit: And there's Freya. And I almost put this under my real account ahhh.

Vivi:


Auron sounds like a good townie to me, either that or he's just a very good mafia playing some mind games.

Back now anyway, to actually play the game.

Auron:


Wow... Now where's Mog?

Faris:


Geez speak of the devil. We put up the inactives as suspects and 2 out of 3 pop up within an hour. =P

Vivi:


;)

Rinoa

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Originally Posted by [M] Faris

Geez speak of the devil. We put up the inactives as suspects and 2 out of 3 pop up within an hour. =P

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Which should bring up the question: are they really inactive, or just not posting?

Bahamut:


(presumably an error-strewn) Votecount

Barret(4): Edgar, Cid, Fran, Ramza

Mog(3): Faris, Rinoa, Auron

Fran(1): Barret

Vivi(0): Auron

Freya(0): Rinoa

Not voting
Aeris, Basch, Edge, Firion, Freya, Mog, Quina, Vivi.

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is set for 7:15 PM GMT on Tuesday, 22 January. That's about 2 and a half hours from now so go vote you ragamuffins! Remember that you CAN unvote, so don't be shy!

Aeris:


My main supects I guess would be Barret and Mog.

Barret because he lied about Fran's vote, and as it was said before, the only people who would lie are the mafia - but then, that could have just been an oversight on his part. He was rather eager to vote this round, and his reasoning behind it hasn't exactly been solid.

Mog's inactivity has also been supicious; along with Vivi and Freya; but his random vote for me - no, I'm not biased, whoever said that?! :p - after he said that he had no actual conclusions. Although, he could have been voting outwith the main suspects, so he didn't become a suspect himself if one turned out to be innocent, and he'd voted them.

But, I think I'll

##Vote: Mog

Since Barret has been moderately active, and that's what we need - not inactive players who have contributed nothing thus far.

Rinoa


It's sad to see people like Firion, Edge, and Quina on the not voted list since they have been posting this round.

Maybe a new rule should be: if you don't state your vote in the thread, then it will be counted as if you voted for yourself. That should get these mafia to perk up.

Bahamut:

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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa

Maybe a new rule should be: if you don't state your vote in the thread, then it will be counted as if you voted for yourself. That should get these mafia to perk up.

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I thought we had already announced that as a rule at the start of Day 2. Turns out we didn't. :redface:

Either way, it's officially in place now. Don't like it? Too bad. It's in the rules that you should vote, so you have to expect consequences for breaking them.

(presumably a less error-strewn) Votecount

Barret(4): Edgar, Cid, Fran, Ramza

Mog(4): Faris, Rinoa, Auron, Aeris

Fran(1): Barret

Vivi(0): Auron

Freya(0): Rinoa

Not voting (and therefore will officially vote for themselves. These votes won't be added to the tally above but they'll still be counted)
Basch, Edge, Firion, Freya, Mog, Quina, Vivi.

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is set for 7:15 PM GMT on Tuesday, 22 January. That's LESS THAN AN HOUR from now so go vote you ragamuffins! Remember that you CAN unvote, so don't be shy!

Mog's neck is currently on the chopping vote, by virtue of being tied with Barret and not voting.

Quina:


Well I'm voting for Barret so nyah.

##Vote: Barret

Rinoa


It is still my belief that if Barret was mafia, he would eventually talk himself into trouble. Whereas if Mog or Freya were mafia, they could essentially get away by doing nothing since no one would ever find enough evidence to vote for them.

I'm not saying Barret is cleared. He is suspicious. It's just that there are so many inactive or barely active players that if we don't get rid of them now they will eventually become a majority. For all we know, Freya could be hiding in the bushes and using her gun to kill us one by one. I'd rather face the enemy I can see rather than the one I can't.

Bahamut:


FINAL Votecount

Barret(5): Edgar, Cid, Fran, Ramza, Quina

Mog(4): Faris, Rinoa, Auron, Aeris

Fran(1): Barret

Vivi(0): Auron

Freya(0): Rinoa

Not voting (and therefore will officially vote for themselves. These votes won't be added to the tally above but they'll still be counted)
Basch, Edge, Firion, Freya, Mog, Vivi.

Because Mog did not vote, he is now tied with Barret, on five votes apiece. We now enter SUDDEN DEATH. You may now only vote for Barret or Mog. First one to be voted for gets lynched.

Rinoa


Does it have to be a person who didn't already vote? If not then Mog.

Bahamut:


Yes, it does have to be. You're still welcome to unvote Mog and vote for Barret if you choose.

Rinoa


God dammit I hate this game. Well he's at least playing, even if badly. So no change from me.

Vivi:


I dunno who to vote for, and even if I do vote everyone will be like 'ahh Vivi you suspicious mafia scum!!'

Ramza:


The Ramza thinks it is time to end this.

While The Ramza is suspicious of Barret still, why would he lie about Fran's vote? A plain old lie like that wouldn't exactly help him, as it's easy to track back. The Ramza is starting to think he's just screwing up a lot when reading over everything, so The Ramza no longer think of him as a suspect.

The Ramza apologizes to Mog.

##unvote: Barret
##vote: Mog

Translation: Barrets lie about Fran changing votes wouldn't help him at all. It was far to obvious, so I think it's likely he just smurfed up somewhere when reading through the posts.

Sorry Mog, but this day needs to end.

Rinoa


I apologize in advance The Ramza if Mog ends up being the bomb. But I'm pretty sure the prostitute is the role in play among those listed.

Edge:

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Originally Posted by [M] Firion

Um ok barret Edge. He was an independent faction, him and lulu that is. They were out to kill everyone else, the mafia as well, just as the town was.

Stop spreading mis-info. Funny that you both say this, I'm seeing a connection between the two of you and i'm not liking that. So i'm leaning toward the masons or mafia belief in you two. More so the mafia thing. I can't even be bothered in quoting more, I'd rather not repeat myself more than I have.

Edit: silly typos.

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When has Bahamut confirmed that either of our theories are correct? I don't think he has yet, so you can't rule out my theory until it's confirmed correct or inncorrect. Also, I didn't even read what Barret said. I've been skimming in this thread since yesterday trying to catch up.

Bahamut:


Mog was a filthy, filthy pervert. He liked nothing better than to hide in the bushes, peeking at his fellow townspeople. He was hoping to spy Aeris changing, or maybe some freaky interspecies lovefest between Freya and Fran. What he spied instead was his own death.

You see, Mog broke into the morgue to perv on the dead body of Rydia. Maybe in EoFF Staff Town (Population: 2) necro-paedophilia was encouraged. But not here.

Faris discovered him down there, and soon the town had rallied against poor Mog and hung him. And all he wanted to do was see some skin. He didn't want to kill nobody!

Mog was a Watcher, played by Sheep.

Incidentally, this was the guy you were always waiting on at night! GET HIM! ...oh. You already did. Uh...carry on!

NIGHT ACTIONS. GO.

Bahamut:


As the memory of Mog's bloody death still fresh in his mind, Vivi decided to take a short walk around the town. He was a little nervous about the mafia, but the morning was just too nice to pass up. The birds were singing, there was a light breeze, but there was something off.

Vivi turned the corner and saw a piece of cloth in the nearby bush. Vivi pulled on the object, and to his horror he saw Auron with a bloody sword and a shot through his heart. Auron has been killed, even though he is already dead.

Auron was a Mafia Ninja, thanks for playing oddler

As Vivi was standing in shock of his find, Freya was also enjoying a nice morning stroll. She was thinking of how her feelings for Fratley were growing again, and she didn't notice the rock in the middle of the street.

Freya fell and saw a piece of cloth in the nearby bush, with a glint of metal. She pulled on the object, and to his horror he saw Barret in his sailor outfit, with a shot through the heart.

Barret was a Roleblocker, thanks for playing Captain Maxx Power.

but wait, after the shocking scene, Freya found something else nestled in that bush. One of these roles is NOT in play

Beloved Princess
Faith Healer
Mafia Cop

Day 4 now begins, and with 13 people left, it takes 7 to lynch. VOTE!!!!! (Remember, if you don't vote you vote for yourself)

Faris:


My very world just got shook. I suspected Barret of being mafia for his suspicious activities, and Auron of being one of the good guys for his informative posts. This is really all very confusing to me.

Someone hold me, I think I'm gonna go be scared now. T_T

Edge:


Barret to die? A predictable choice, to say the least. This means the rate of Mafia to Innocents has increased, and that's not good. We need to be less on the edge about this, if you ask me. If we don't have faith in one another, we can't win. On the other hand, if we trust each other too much, we're more likely to lose. 'Tis the game of Mafia.

Cid

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Originally Posted by [M] Faris

My very world just got shook. I suspected Barret of being mafia for his suspicious activities, and Auron of being one of the good guys for his informative posts. This is really all very confusing to me.

Someone hold me, I think I'm gonna go be scared now. T_T

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Cids beard will comfort you...

I really hope that people are more active today, come on people. Without people talking we have nothing to really go off of, and if we keep voting off people based on the little info that we have... well then we aren't doing very much good are we?

Faris:


Well with 2 deaths I say it's time to evaluate Auron's and Barret's words more carefully. We can now assume Barret wasn't trying to deceive us now. Where as Auron was. I think it's time we start getting more careful with our moves.

And with a mafia dead the possibility of a serial killer or a vigilante on top of the mafia and lovers seems very plausible now.

Edge:


What we need is more people being active and more trust between players, I'd say. If we just have a few bunches of people barking at each other, there's no real need to make judgements for oneself, is there? We could just have a few blokes in here deciding choices for us, and the suspects be presented. It's like political parties, really, but in a less serious fashion. Good for anyone trying to hide, town or mafia.

I can't say anything about inactivity being a bad thing, though. I've been very inactive myself. We've still got to understand that when people are inactive, they'd probably rather be playing a rousing game of Mafia. :monster: There's probably something going on I.R.L. that keeps them away from our antics.

Rinoa


See, Auron was inactive and he was a mafia! I do know what I'm talking about!

Is roleblocker the same as prostitute? I get confused with those.

Cid

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Originally Posted by [M] Auron

Vivi is still numero uno. I understand if it was complete inactivity but he hasn't come to put any kind of input in or anything. Not saying that I did much more but at least I have some logic to go on.

The Ingus/Edgar thing is still in my head. In my way of thinking, when two people blatantly go out and have their own little spat, I tend to think one of them is mafia. Maybe that doesn't apply anymore, though. Edgar's been pretty cool and smoothed over a lot of it since he was replaced or people started sharing his account. And in the same sense, reading over yesterday's posts, now I've got a Ramza/Fran thing going on in my head.

##Vote: Vivi

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Auron was pretty quick to vote for Vivi yesterday, and also he pointed out that he thought Edgar was innocent, (or at least that his suspicion towards Edgar wasn't as strong) and that he was starting to worry about Ramza/Fran. Just food for thought.

EDIT: In fact, Looking back at alot of Aurons old posts, he voted for Vivi constantly throughout the game...

Freya:


Note to self: do NOT break promises when under suspicion.

I'm off to bed now, I'll check things out in the morning.

Bahamut:


Prostatute is a mafia roleblocker.

Rinoa


I'm with Cid on Vivi. Auron was pretty quick to vote for him twice, which leads me to believe he isn't mafia. He's useless (unless he's a doctor), but he isn't mafia.

Freya has made three posts. Two of them were to say she would read over everything and make some comments later. Those comments have not come. The only thing she has going for her is that Auron suspected her in his longest post (although briefly). She was my chief suspect Day 2 and remains so right now, until she can post her thoughts.

Right now my vote goes:

##Vote: Freya

Because she has not made any sort of contribution, yet when I started calling out for inactive people to show up or be voted out, she appears to say BOTH of her account holders are too busy. That seems really fishy.

Edge:


Fishy? It could just be PC troubles as she says. No need to be so suspicious of people, especially this early into voting.

Rinoa


I've been suspicious of her for two days. I'm open to discussion, I just like to get votes out there because that's the way I'm used to playing.

Edge:


I suppose I can respect your opinion, though I like to get thick into discussion before I vote.

Ramza:


The Ramza is positive that the Prostitute is a role in this game of Mafia. The reason being is because of The Ramza's special Role. The Ramza holds the Role of Jail Keeper. The Ramza can lock up one person each night.
This person cannot be night killed, but they also cannot carry out any night actions of their own.

The Ramza, on the previous night, locked up Barret. However Barret was killed last night, even though he was The Ramza's target. Since the Ramza locked him up, this means he could not have used his Role Block ability on the Ramza.

Then what happened? Thanks to Bahamut confirming what the Prostitute was, it is safe to Assume that the Ramza was Role blocked by the Prostitute last night.

Now, on to other matter, on night one and two, the Ramza locked up the same person. The Ramza does not want to reveal this person for a few reasons, but if you have a night ability, and you were unable to use it on nights one and two, feel free to come forward and say who you are.

This means, however, that there would be no Bomb or Nexus in this game.

The Ramza's final Idea for the day, is that who would want to Role Block The Ramza? Since Barret couldn't have Role Blocked unless I was Role Blocked by another, it is Likely that one of the people who have been against The Ramza are the Prostitute. The Ramza can think of Quina and Fran at the moment. There were likely others that the Ramza will shortly adress.


Translation:

1) I locked up the same person night 1 and 2. For now, I will not reveal that person. However, if I was also role blocked night 1 or 2, you would have gotten an action in. Though I don't think they had reason to role block me until night 2,

2) Barret was locked up the night he was killed, meaning I had to have been role Blocked. This confirms the existence of a Prostitute. That means no Bomb or Nexus.

3) The one who Role Blocked me is likely someone who has been showing resilience to me the past 2 days. So I think we should look to those people for now.

Edit: The three most noteable anti-me people were Fran, Quina, and I"m going to say Rinoa, simply for saying I was an idiot and tried to discredit any Idea I had.

Fran:


Well isn't that just lovely. I go after Barret and he dies during the night and is revealed to be a Citizen!

So here's what must have happened. I'm an awfully stupid Mafia member so I figure that no one will notice if I killed the person I targeted the most during the day. Or maybe I just decided to kill a fellow Mafia member. Yes, of course, that's what happened!

If y'all can't see that the killing of Barret is an obvious effort to put suspicion on those who voted for him, IE: ME!, you are blind.

I didn't do myself any favors if I'm Mafia and killed Barret OR Auron. I wasn't responsible for any deaths. If you think I was, then that means I'm an idiot player.

Edge:


Wait, if that means YOU'RE an idiot player that we THINK you're the cause of deaths, would that mean we're right and the entire first half of your post was actually part of your ploy to trick us?

Rinoa


I also think there is a prostitute. Jail keeper is an interesting role. But that would mean there are 3 roleblocking roles. I guess that makes sense considering everyone has an ability. Lots of roleblocking offsets it. Clever!

I think today we should consider two things. There are two groups we now KNOW are out there: Mason and Mafia.

Cyan was a confirmed Mason. I now have an educated guess as to who the other Masons are. But I don't know for certain. I'm not one of them, that's all I know.

Auron was a confirmed Mafia. Unfortunately, he didn't make many posts, which leaves us little to go on. See how tricky it is when Mafia doesn't post?

I encourage you all to look over posts made by Cyan and Auron. Who did they defend? Who argued against them? From there we can get clues on to who was with them and possibly against them.

Obviously my current vote doesn't do that. Freya and Basch, to me, are the last unconfirmed inactive people, and I'd rather just see them gone than lurking in the shadows until the very end. For some reason Basch's excuses strike me as more believable than Freya's. I will retract my vote in good faith that the other town members will look at the posts of people confirmed to be a part of groups, as well as other things that have been going on.

But please consider the inactive people in the list of your suspects. Consider it, that is all I ask. I am not just saying this just because I am on a mission for an active game, though that is part of it.

##Unvote: Freya

Ramza:

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Originally Posted by [M] Bahamut

As the town was in shock, a note was found stating that one of the following three roles was in play.

Cult Leader
Insane Cop
Jester

Day 2 has begun. With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline is set for 6PM GMT on Sunday, 20th January. 24 hours. Go.

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From this The Ramza has some more info to add.

With 2 anti town factions already known, The Lovers and Mafia, The Ramza thinks a Cult Leader can be ruled out.

That leaves 2 roles up for play from our initial list, Insane Cop and Jester.

The Ramza hates to admit this, but The Jester looks more like a possobility.

However, The Ramza now thinks Cops need to pay closer attention to their investigations. If you came up Innocent on Auron, then you are probably insane.

If you came up Guilty on either Lulu or Irvine, there is a good chance you are insane. The Ramza is not sure if cop investigation would work on Lovers, as different types of factions are known for different kinds of people who can investigate them. (IE: FBI Agent to Serial Killer, Seer to Werewolf).

The Ramza is sure he doesn't have to mention this to the cops, but if the Cops are fairly new to this game, it might be a good time for The Ramza to warn them.

Really most of the The Ramza thinks is fairly obvious to be honest, but it hasn't been said yet, so The Ramza was getting worried.

Translation

1) It is not likely there is a Cult, as two other anti-town factions have been found.

2) Just giving the Cops a warning to watch closely who they targeted to figure out if they are insane or not.

3) Since Lovers aren't Mafia, it is possible a normal cop investigation would turn up innocent, so there is a good chance of insanity if they came up with a guilty on Irvine or Lulu.

4) Nothing to major in this post, just mentioning a few things that should be somewhat obvious, since no one else mentioned them.

Freya:


About my first post, I just voted for reasons that other people had already stated concerning his post. Yes, one of them was Auron (I think). I didn't put too much thought into it, I mean I was either bandwagoning or starting it, and after reading everyone else's posts, Vivi made the most sense to me. Anyway, time to vote.

Let's take a look at this post of Auron's.

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Originally Posted by [M] Auron

Players who are still inactive: Freya, Mog, Vivi.

Freya's only post:

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Originally Posted by [M] Freya

I think I will trust Ingus and Edgar for this round. If either of them are mafia, it will become clear to us sometime in the game.

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Originally Posted by [m] Vivi

Lets get this over with.

##Vote: Edge

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I really, really, do not like this post.

##Vote: Vivi

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Freya had a similar mindset as I did in the beginning about the Ingus/Edgar thing. Like I said before, Edgar is not as dodgy-looking to me now but that's still under investigation. Maybe Ingus just tried to pick a fight with someone and avoid being lynched to insure that he would be targetted during the night. Whether he was trying to aid the Mafia by joining them or aid the town by getting himself killed by someone else to prevent a Mafia recruitment is up in the air. That could be a reason that he acted so crazy. But back to Freya. She voted for Vivi but only because she really didn't like his post. Not having a logical explanation for voting is an easy way to get a group of lynchers after you.

Mog's three posts:

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Originally Posted by [M] Mog

Well, this should be exciting! Who should we lynch first, kupo?

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Originally Posted by [M] Mog

Wow, we sure have some active players this time. That makes it fun, but also a pain when I leave for short amounts of time. In any case, I really haven't come to a conclusion from everyone's bickering, and first day lynching's are silly anyway. But, since I know I've seen this happen once before...
##Vote: Aeris

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Originally Posted by [M] Mog

I'd love to see what Lulu has to say.

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The first one I'm willing to throw out. Just a little bit of spam introduction. The second one is much juicier. Mog mentions not coming to a conclusion but happens to decide on Aeris. He is the only one to do so on Day 1, playing on his thoughts of usually seeing someone innocent go down first day because of random voting. I remember Cyan pretty adamantly defending Aeris at one time. Cyan was a Mason, an awesome ally for the town. I'm mostly sold that Aeris is an innocent. Lastly, Mog posts on Day 2 but does not vote.

Vivi's four posts:

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Originally Posted by [m] Vivi

what up?
EDIT: I take it I'm not good enough for a big M.

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Originally Posted by [m] Vivi

Lets get this over with.
##Vote: Edge

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Originally Posted by [m] Vivi

Everyone has to vote for someone, I just took a stab in the dark. I really don't think it makes a big difference.

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Originally Posted by [m] Vivi

That's why I said I don't think it's going to make that much of a difference.

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First post, same as Mog. Intro spam. Second post, the one that made me suspect him. The voting had already started but he enters the fray by throwing in a random name without a reason. Third post, "everyone has to vote for someone" rule seems to not apply since a lot of people missed votes on Day 2. Lastly, he points out that he doesn't think it makes a big difference who he votes for at that early stage. There were still 20 hours left on Day 1, so I can understand what he may have meant. However, he never came back to change his vote AND has yet to come back at all.

I think it's entirely possible that all the mafia are just biding their time and letting us pin the blame on ourselves. In my opinion, it's insane that Day 3 is almost over and we only have half the possible votes in.

After looking at the inactives more carefully, I'm now going to have to say I also think Mog is more likely to be mafia for reasons stated above.

##Unvote: Vivi
##Vote: Mog

Edit: And there's Freya. And I almost put this under my real account ahhh.

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Here he named Mog, Vivi, and myself as prime suspects. I think we can assume that at least one of them is mafia. Mog has been a confirmed citizen, so we can knock him off the list. I know I'm not mafia, so for me that would leave Vivi.

Auron has spoken out against Vivi a lot, while Vivi hasn't said much at all. How very convenient if they were both mafia. If one of them were found to be mafia, the other would appear much less suspicious. Note how Auron changes his vote from Vivi to Mog.

##Vote: Vivi

Quina:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Ramza

3) Since Lovers aren't Mafia, it is possible a normal cop investigation would turn up innocent, so there is a good chance of insanity if they came up with a guilty on Irvine or Lulu.

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You don't have to be mafia to come up guilty. You just have to be guilty. That's anyone who is anti town. ie; the Lovers.

Rinoa


Auron voted for Vivi the very first day, before most of the day's activities had happened. It really doesn't make any sense for mafia to vote for one of their own that early. Even as a strategy it is risky. I will not rule out that this strategy was employed, I'm just not going for it today.

The other thing Vivi has going for him is that he was defended by Cyan, a Mason. Vivi hasn't done much, it's true, but when he has been targeted by a mafia (more than once) and defended by a Mason, it is hard to get me to go after him at this time.

If you go with what's obvious, Vivi is not mafia. If you go with the fact that mafia is trying to play tricks, then Vivi is mafia. At this stage I think it is unwise to try to figure out any complicated strategy the mafia might have. That can be done later when more evidence is available.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Cyan

This my suspicions for Freya, Faris, Auron and Terra.

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This is one of Cyan's last messages. I am quoting it again. It is highly unlikely she would name her fellow Masons in the suspect list. Two are dead. Faris, at this point, doesn't raise my suspicion. Freya is the only one left. Does this quote prove Freya or Faris are dirty? No, but I think it does prove they aren't Masons. Today, I would much rather vote for someone who is not a Mason than someone who might be. If the Masons stay intact the Town will win the game. They are a HUGE advantage for us.

Freya, you need more than just 'Check out this complicated strategy I think the mafia is pulling' to get out of my vote today. To me, that is more mafia than anything Vivi has done.

##Vote: Freya

until she gives me a better reason not to vote for her, or someone else provides some other evidence.

Cid


Yup, Cids beard also agrees that makes Freya look a bit suspicious. She pointed out herself that one of Aurons three main suspects were probably Mafia, and considering that I am fairly certain that Vivi is innocent, I don't know how much being defended by a mason proves, sure, there is a chance that he knew Vivi was innocent, but there is no solid evidence on that.

The main reason Vivi looks innocent is because Auron voted for him twice without much justification and voted for him rapidly. There is a possibility that Freya is correct in saying that may have been a ploy to get suspicion off of a fellow Mafioso, but as of right now Cids beard is suspicious of Freya.

Come on people, post!

Edgar:


I've read over the posts once more, and I don't even know how to react. Anyone I suspected is dead, or now has evidence to the contray.

Maybe I need to try and rethink everything and look at this from a completely different angle. Hopefully I'll be able to get something to add.

Vivi:


oh dear, I honesty thought Auron was a genuine townie :/

Rinoa


Yep, can't get them all right Vivi. Would you care to post anything helpful, though?

Faris:


I'll be heading to work in a few so I dunno if I'll make it back on before the time limit, so I'll vote now just so I get a vote in.

##Vote: Fran

I've always had some level of suspicion with her, but I've never been able to get much out of it as there was always more suspects higher on my list. But her last post really seems off to me. A lot of what she said was obvious, it seems almost like she wanted us to think the death of Barret was to put blame on her. If it's a mafia tactic then I say it's a fairly weak one cause I don't buy it. If she didn't post pointing all this out screaming "I'm a suspect cause he died" then I wouldn't of given it a second thought, but the way she decided to bring to light bothers me.

Well, thats good enough for The Ramza.

##Vote: Fran

Cid


That was strange, I am not sure if I have ever seen such a short band wagon post from The Ramza! Cids beard is afraid of this strange new world...

Ramza:


Um, Cid, The Ramza has already called out Fran before Farris mentioned her. Her, along with Quina. The fact The Ramza is not the only one who suspects Fran gave me reason enough to vote her.

And The Ramza has already stated why he is suspicious of Fran, no need to restate.

And also,

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Quina

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Ramza

3) Since Lovers aren't Mafia, it is possible a normal cop investigation would turn up innocent, so there is a good chance of insanity if they came up with a guilty on Irvine or Lulu.

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You don't have to be mafia to come up guilty. You just have to be guilty. That's anyone who is anti town. ie; the Lovers.

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With roles like FBI agent, who is made soley for finding a Serial Killer, The Ramza is not entirely sure if a cop would turn up guilty against lovers. Again, The Ramza could be wrong, but the Lovers are an entirely knew faction all together, so The Ramza is not one to say for sure if that is the case.

Translation:
1) I already suspected Fran and said why, so there was no need to eplain agian in that post. Faris voting just confirms that I wasn't the only one suspicious. That gave me enough reason to cast a vote.

2) To Quina, since Serial Killer has a specific role that can hunt them down, the FBI agent, it leads me to think Psy may have made a role like that for the Lovers. They may turn up guilty on cop investigation, but since we know virtually nothing of it, I dont' think it's safe to assume such things.

Rinoa


Fran and The Ramza don't get along. I have some theories on what she's up to, but I'd like to see this play out a little first. As of right now I still maintain that Freya is a bigger threat than she is.

Cid


I agree with Rinoa as of right now, though I am suspicious of Fran I think that Rinoa is right in saying that Freya is a bigger suspect right now.

##Vote: Freya

Edgar:


At the moment Freya seems like the biggest suspect I have, because of her vote. After last night's killings Vivi seems to be the hardest to call a citizen out of all of the inactive members. A mason didn't suspect him (now we've seen masons aren't always right, but they have a collective voice of townies in them so they are more trustworthy in opinions), and Auron suspected him.
Why would you vote for someone like that? Because she's hid most of the game, and wants to try and deverte our attention. I just don't buy this vote of her's.

Now Fran seems like she could be a suspect, but at the same time I feel like I don't have enough on her. From my view she looks like a player who just gets too emotionally involved in the game. The biggest thing going against her is she suspected and voted against Barret, but seeing as that could be said for most players in this game. Thats not enough for me yet.
Now, I'll be going in about a soon, and I should be gone for a while, so I'm going to submit a vote just in case I miss the rest of the day.

## Vote: Freya

Vivi:


It seems that Freya has got some stuff against me and is pointing a finger in my direction, possibly trying to hide against a certain fact.

Rinoa


What fact? Maybe you should post more than one sentence at a time.

Freya:


I'll do whatever I can to take suspicion off myself.

I am a Mafia Wannabe Usurper.
I have a one time only night kill, and if I kill the Godfather I take his place. If I miss I'm a townie.
I killed Auron. Not the guy I was looking for, but I wiped out some scum anyway :spin:

Oh and if you're a cop, don't investigate me, I will tell you now, I'll come up guilty.

Basch:


alright then, im read up

I think Fran is a townie, and her reaction is real, because thats how i would react, but then again.. im a nub :p

hmmm.. i dont see anyone breaking out of the pack here. the only one that seems suspisious is Freya.. and only because her role is just ridiculous.

ill vote for her now, and if someone confirms that the role is used then i'll revote

##Vote: Freya

Vivi:


The question is, can everybody trust Freya?

EDIT: Hi Basch.

Aeris:


Well... I don't see why anyone would claim to be mafia, unless they're a Jester. I guess Freya will have to be my vote, since if they're Mafia - good riddance to them. Darned scum.

Although, the first sentence confuses me - to take suspicion off themselves? I'm pretty sure admitting to being Mafia would just confirm supicions and get you lynched.

Ramza:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Freya

I'll do whatever I can to take suspicion off myself.

I am a Mafia Wannabe Usurper.
I have a one time only night kill, and if I kill the Godfather I take his place. If I miss I'm a townie.
I killed Auron. Not the guy I was looking for, but I wiped out some scum anyway :spin:

Oh and if you're a cop, don't investigate me, I will tell you now, I'll come up guilty.

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Wow. Just Wow.

The Ramza doesn't know how to take this.

Basch:


Hi vivi, i like your magic :)

edit: The Basch doesnt know either

Rinoa


Hahaha, that's great. Now we're gettin somewhere. I toally believe that Psy would put that role in the game. Are you it? That's now for us to figure out.

I want to believe you. It would confirm some things I thought about you. But I have some questions that I hope you will answer.

1. Why did you choose to use your kill at all? Why not just stay a Townie?
2. Why did you choose to use your kill last night?
3. What made you think Auron was the Godfather?

Freya:


Were you listening? I didn't say I was mafia!

Rinoa


Let me clear this up with Aeris: If she is telling the truth, then her one bullet missed and, once that happened, she became town. Though why she would still check Scum is beyond me.

Cid

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa

Hahaha, that's great. Now we're gettin somewhere. I toally believe that Psy would put that role in the game. Are you it? That's now for us to figure out.

I want to believe you. It would confirm some things I thought about you. But I have some questions that I hope you will answer.

1. Why did you choose to use your kill at all? Why not just stay a Townie?
2. Why did you choose to use your kill last night?
3. What made you think Auron was the Godfather?

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Yah, I want to know as well. That is a very very odd way to defend yourself if its not true, so me nor my beard are sure on how to take this news... I am scared and slightly confused...

Aeris:


I apologise. I misread your post. It's just such a convoluted role, I got confused. :p So, I withdrew my vote for now.

Firion


Whoa freya, a role claim. How much time do we have left on this day? I don't have much time to pay too much attention right now. So If you could put the vote stats up and the time that'd be great. Then I'd know if I need to vote soon or if I have time to put together some stuff.

Vivi:


yoo hoo Bahamut :p

Freya:


I wanted to take care of it quickly in case I hit the GF. I have a habit of throwing suspicion on myself early in the game. Auron just screamed mafia.

Please keep in mind I am on a handheld device, so my posts take time to type.

Rinoa


Part of me wants to let Freya off, because it would either keep a citizen alive or give someone credit for a really good roleclaim.

Another part wants me to lynch just so we can confirm what she is. If she's telling the truth it would confirm that there is a Godfather, and we'd lose a townie with an ability that no longer can help us. If she's lying then we're down another mafia.

What do you guys think?

Bahamut:


I think you want a...

Votecount

Freya(4): Rinoa, Rinoa, Cid, Edgar, Basch

Fran(2): Faris, Ramza


Vivi(1): Freya


Remember, it takes 7 votes to lynch. You have 4 hours left until nightfall.

You saw no error.

Firion


I only recall there being a mafia usurper but a wannabe thing isn't so far fetched in this game. Yet I do recall the normal usurper being a mafia member. And the wannabe thing seems to more of apply to the one shot thing. So then I question how you wouldn't know but then, yet again, the wannabe thing could be the not knowing.

I will get back to this later though I don't have the time now.

Vivi:


Freya should have 4 votes there I think.

Rinoa


Hey Vivi, why don't you ever vote?

Vivi:


##Vote: Freya

Happy now?

Aeris:


My main concern here is that this is all and elaborate ruse. That Freya wants us to think that they're townies, when really they're Mafia.

The role is convoluted enough that this could be the case.

Freya:


How could this possibly benefit me if I were mafia?

Rinoa


Freya's real problem is there is no way to confirm that she is town other than lynching her. I can't think of an investigative role that could distinguish her from real mafia.

But if we don't lynch her then who do we go for? Vivi is acting like a little butt, but I really can't fathom that Aruon & the mafia would set up an elaborate scheme like that so early in the game. Fran was getting chastized for one post and I'd like to hear more from her before I go after her. Basch has been laying pretty low, so he's a possiblity, but I'm willing to give him a chance to be active some.

EDIT: Uh, if you're mafia, and we believe you and don't lynch you, then you live, which would greatly benefit you, no?

Freya:


Good point :eep:

Aeris:


If you are mafia, then this role claim could keep you alive a bit longer, since we don't know if you actually are a townie or not - the confusion this causes may be enough to keep you alive another night, which is what the mafia want.

As Rinoa said, there is no way to know if you are telling the truth with this claim, and the only way to find out the truth is to lynch you.

EDIT: Too slow with the reply here. :( Rinoa got the same reply in but with less words!

Rinoa


Let's say we don't vote for Freya, who would you guys vote for? Since we'll need to kill someone tomorrow this is not a futile discussion.

Fran:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Faris

If she didn't post pointing all this out screaming "I'm a suspect cause he died" then I wouldn't of given it a second thought, but the way she decided to bring to light bothers me.

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What? Why wouldn't you have given a second thought? You SHOULD suspect me, just like you should suspect everyone in this game. But because I make a post, analyzing what I think happened during the night, that makes you suspicious? If I had said nothing, you "wouldn't of given it a second thought"? I already assume that people are gonna be suspicious of me cause I actually make posts. But I also expect suspicions to be kinda rational. Your reason for being suspicious of me is really weird in my opinion. Not that everyone always has to have a solid, logical explanation, but still. It should kinda make sense at least.

Anyway, Freya, omgwtf? :p That... is one of the weirdest roleclaims, EVER.

But let's assume that it's true. If you really are a townie now, and you are investigated, there is no way that you would still come up scum. Saying that you would just sounds like you're trying to cover your own ass. If you have now assumed a townie role because you missed out on the godfather, you are town aligned. Simple as that.

The other point is that, if you know that you only have one chance at this, why in the world would you choose Auron as your choice? Godfathers, by their very nature, have no reason to hide in the shadows. If they are investigated, they're still gonna be ok. Laying low doesn't do anything for them. So of all the people in this game, why choose Auron as your one shot at getting the godfather? Seems a bit silly to me.

Also, the night before, there were 3 kills. But the Lover-Killer role died during the night. Which means that we could have expected the number of kills to go down to 2, since we got rid of one kill group. Adding you into the mix, that means that we should have had 3 kills again (unless there was some blocking and protection going on). I don't think you were responsible for the Auron kill, I think a vigilante was.

Freya:


So I'm screwed?

Freya:


You'd better make the most of this if I die n.n

Fran:


Well if you're not gonna give reasons explaining yourself, then yeah. :p


##Vote: Freya

Freya:


I've explained all I can.

Aeris:


[M] Aeris
[M] Basch
[M] Cid
[M] Edgar
[M] Edge
[M] Faris
[M] Firion
[M] Fran
[M] Freya
[M] Quina
[M] Ramza
[M] Rinoa
[M] Vivi

These are the roles left in play. Might be useful to have this just so we know who our possible suspects are.

But even looking at the list... I have no strong suspicions against anyone. I guess maybe Basch, but that's just because they've been inactive a lot. Right now I'm at a bit of a loss of who to vote for. :/




Also, Fran, in Freya's post, it was stated that it was a one shot thing. So, if it were real, it would only be this turn.

Although, that makes me think - if there were two kills this turn, including Freya's kill, we'd assume that the other kill was performed by the mafia. However, the other night, there were three kills - one by the mafia, one by the killer (we assume) and one by an unknown other. This other couldn't have been Freya - as they themselves said it was a one time shot.
So, if Freya's hit was included last night, then shouldn't there have also been three kills last night - Freya's, Mafia's and Unknown Other's?

Sorry if that made no sense, I struggle to bring my thoughts together into coherent sentences. Also, I apologise if this assumes a lot. :)

Freya:


I think maybe there are other odd roles like mine.

Aeris:


Yeah, as soon as I posted, I realised that there a lot of holes in what I just said. :p

Edgar:


Freya, that is the crapiest role claim I have EVER heard. I don't believe it at all. My vote stands.

Freya:


You kidding? This is the best role ever!

Aeris:


Unfortunately, I am going to bed now, so I've got to make a vote.

So, it's just gonna have to be

##Vote: Freya

This whole crazy role claim is just... crazy, for lack of a better word. There's nobody else who really sticks out to me as possible Mafia, besides you. I don't think the role claim had the desired effect of making you seem innocent in other's eyes. This all just seems so fabricated, just to get you off the 'guilty' hook - a last minute attempt to save yourself. But then, I could be wrong here. :p

Edge:


What's your role? The Pie Baker? :p

My suspicions are tied within myself, I'd say. I'll have to look at more to decide my vote.

Freya:


Hey, don't just leave me here to die!

Edge:


This is a tough decision here. If anyone wishes to know, my vote is stuck between Fran and Rinoa. Rinoa's role in the game seems to be similar to what Auron's once was. She's a main player, and she's using the best of logic in the game to help her surrounding players. Trust is control, and control is Mafia. I have my doubts. Though perhaps I'm just being paranoid. Being good at Mafia doesn't mean you are one. Mog is more suspicious, I'd say, due to his inactivity and seemingly hiding himself. But this could just be something such as lack of interest in the game or some other thing I.R.L. keeping him. But then there's Fran, who is another big player, even with a lack of posts in comparison to others. She isn't massively trusted, having two votes so far towards her. I don't have enough evidence to vote for her either, however...


:monster:

Bahamut:


As the sun began to set, there was a cry amoung the remaining townspeople. "Lynch! Lynch! Lynch!" Everyone rushed around, and just when the mob was begining to die down, Freya tripped.

"Lynch her!" A cry came out of the mob. Before Freya could evn speak, she was dragged to the gallows and never spoke again.

Freya was in fact a Mafia Wannabe Usurper, played by Jessweeee♪ & Death by Moogles.

It is now night 4, you have 24 hours to submit all night choices.

Edge:


Gah, I knew it.

Edgar:



Your joking right? What kinda crap is that? Great from now on everyone's going to believe every role claim no matter how rediculious :rolleyes2

Final votecount for you all. Probably missed something but oh well.

Freya(7) Rinoa, Rinoa, Cid, Edgar, Basch, Vivi, Fran, Aeris

Fran(2) Faris, Ramza

Vivi(1) Freya

Bahamut:


As the stars shone brightly in the sky, Faris was about to take a bath when she heard a knock on the door. She jumped at the sound, all she wanted to do was live through this whole event and sail the seven seas again. She opened the door and saw a small present with a pink ribbon. She picked it up and took it inside. It was a toaster. She Began to make toast next to her bathtub, when it fell in, killing her

Faris was a Survivor, played by Bahamut2000X

But wait, there was something else. Basch was up late praying for the safety of the town, when a meteor hit his house. He lived, but was shot right after, thus killing him

Basch was a Faith Healer, thanks for playing Aerith's Knight.

Inside of the meteor that hit Basch's house was another list of three roles

Vigilante
Paranoid gun Owner
Jack of all Trades

Day 5 now begins, with 10 people left, it takes 6 votes to lynch. You have 24 hours to vote, remember, you can unvote!

Quina:


How many of those roles are in play? 1? Because my money would be on Vigilante.

Bahamut:


Oops, forgot to mention that 1 of those roles is in play. Sorry.

Rinoa


Getting into the thick of it now. We're losing citizens quickly and need to get on the ball here. How many mafia do you guys think are left? Also, if anyone has time maybe they can post a vote history so we can take a look at voting patterns. We really need to get a mafia this round.

Vivi:


How many mafia have been killed, just one?

Rinoa


One mafia, but we did kill both Lovers (assuming there are two).

I'm going to say there are at least 2 mafia left. Having only one more left wouldn't make much sense, as that would be a 2 person mafia. There are no more than 4 left. With things like Saulus and Wannabe Usurper, I highly doubt there are 4 left. Good thing too, because that means we would lose if we didn't get a mafia in this round. So my guess is 2-3.

I have some thought on who I'm going to vote for, but I want to hear other people's thoughts first. The last two people I went after were citizens and I don't want to make any more mistakes.

Aeris:


Just one Mafia, and the lovers.

There is still the mafia, and another independant faction in play.

I hope this is alright, for a vote tally, unless you wanted the unvotes included? If so, I can edit them in easily. :) I threw in who was killed at night too.

EDIT: Whilst I was thinking, I decided to colour code the names, red - scum, green - town. Still nothing. :(

DAY 1:
Rydia(7): Cyan, Ingus, Faris, Aeris, Irvine, Basch, Edgar
Ingus(5): Fran, Barret, Rydia, Quina, Lulu
Edgar(3): Cid, Firion, Rinoa
Vivi(3): Auron, Terra, Freya
Barret(1): Ramza
Edge(1): Vivi
Aeris(1): Mog

NIGHT 1:
Ingus

DAY 2:
Lulu(5): Rinoa, Faris, Cid, Edgar, Firion
Ramza(4): Fran, Quina, Lulu, Irvine
Edgar(1): Barret
Barret(1): Ramza

NIGHT 2:
Terra
Cyan
Irvine

DAY 3:
Mog(5): Faris, Rinoa, Auron, Aeris, Ramza
Barret(4): Edgar, Cid, Fran, Quina
Fran(1): Barret

NIGHT 3:
Auron
Barret

DAY 4:
Freya(7): Rinoa, Cid, Edgar, Basch, Vivi, Fran, Aeris
Fran(2): Faris, Ramza
Vivi(1): Freya

NIGHT 4:
Faris
Basch

Cid


How did a list of people get inside of a metior?

Anyways, This sucks... well looking at that list Aeris has voted for a townie that has gotten lynched three times while Fran voted for one townie who did get lynched and two who came close.

Though that dosent tell us that much.

I think that Aries and Edgar are the only surviving members who voted for Rydia the first day, suspicious? Could be...

Edgar:


Why is voting for Rydia more susipicous then voting for Barret or Freya? Both confirmed citizens as well? Cid your suspicious to me now, I don't think Aeris is very suspicious.

Up til this point none of my voting has been very sure since Lulu, but Cid, your starting to ring some bells to me. 4 out of the 7 people who voted Rydia have been confirmed citizens, so voting against someone just because they voted against Rydia is a very weak argument. Its far more of an excuse to raise susipion against people other then yourself.

Cid


That is true, I cant deny that I did vote for two people that have been confirmed town, in that way I am just as suspicious as anyone else, I was just looking at the people who voted for the 'most' innocent people, and that is what I found, (Though I didn't count Lulu as innocent and there is a good chance she appeared innocent to the Mafia)

But the reason the first day strikes me as the best place to look is because all but two people have been eliminated, are you saying that it is likely that not a single person in the mafia voted for a townie who got lynched the first day? I personally doubt that.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edgar

so voting against someone just because they voted against Rydia is a very weak argument.

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If you care to notice I haven't voted for anyone yet, and I agree, you shouldn't vote just based off of that, that would be pure speculation, and we can all see what voting off of speculation has done for us. My beard is simply stating that this is a good place to start looking. Its something to go off of, and that is better than what we have had.

Rinoa


I think he basically said it was a weak argument.

Quina never voted for the majority. If Quina was mafia he/she would know that none of the people we were going for was mafia. Voting for someone else would be a nice tactic to avoid the suspicions like the ones Cid was mentioning above.

Vivi has never posted more than a 1-2 sentences at a time, and never anything substantial (that I can find). If Vivi is a citizen he is one of the most useless citizens ever. Unfortunately, there is evidence that points to him being a citizen.

EDIT: Ah, Cid you make a fine point. There were three things after Day 1 that I was sure of.

1. Someone who voted for Rydia was mafia (Aeris or Edgar)
2. Someone who voted for someone else was mafia (Auron has already been found out)
3. Someone who didn't vote at all was mafia (Edge, but it appears that he was a replacement)

Assuming Edge was a real no show and not a mafia who didn't vote, would prove #3 wrong. This would mean all of the mafia voted on Day 1. To make sure they weren't linked AT ALL on the first day, I am thinking that they all voted for different people.

This was true with Vivi: Auron voted for Vivi, but the rest who did were innocent.

Of the people left alive, here are the groups of people who voted for the same person:

Rydia: Aeris, Edgar
Ingus: Fran, Quina
Edgar: Cid, Firion, Rinoa
Barret: Ramza
Edge: Vivi

I think we're on to something. I am going to attempt to reread the ENTIRE THREAD and see what I can gather on this. I would say look out for Firion and Quina at this point.

Edgar:


Sure, its unlikely, but its also possible, and right now we're pinned against a wall, we probably don't have many days left if we don't get mafians. Looking at Rydia's death is a shot in the dark at the moment, we can't afford that. Your recommendation to look at Rydia's death lowers our targets to me and Aeris, why would any citizen want that right now, seeing as we need to be aware how anyone is a suspect because so many citizen have been killed. IMO mafia should be worried about lowering suspects, so I think your post was susipicious.

EDIT: I'd just like to point out Rinoa, that Quina's never voted with the main majority, but has voted with the second most, so I don't know if we can call Hsu on him.

Rinoa


I'm not limiting myself, just posting ideas. It's very possible that no mafia voted for Rydia. Her goose looked cooked so they could have very well laid low on that one.

Edgar:


Actually Rinoa my post was refering to Cid being susipicious, you posted while I was typing.

Ramza:


Well, The Ramza still thinks Fran or Quina are Mafia. Possibly Both.

While The Ramza's voting record isn't exactly the best either, (Having voted Barret night 1 and 2, Mog on night 3,) Fran's isn't exactly so pretty either. Every night, with the exception of night 2, she voted for a confirmed Citzen.

The exact same thing can be said for Quina. Also note, every night Fran and Quina voted together.

The other note is that Fran and Qiuna were both trying to discredit The Ramza's idea, even though The Ramza never claimed it as a fact, simply a possobility.

Fran and Quina seem to be working a lot together from what The Ramza has seen.

The Ramza shall also note that not all Mafia are likely to vote together. Remember Auron? He never voted for the same person that Quina and Fran did. Also, the ones who they voted for, Both The Ramza and Ingus, had come dangeriously close to a lynching. Mafia are likely to vote for those who are almost going to be lynched.

The Ramza guesses either one or both of these two are Mafia.

Translation:
1) Fran and Quina have voted together every day.

2) 2 out of three of their votes have been for a Confirmed Citzen.

3) They've always voted for people likely to get lynched.

4) If they are both Mafia, it is likely that Auron was the one member they assigned to vote seperately from the rest to avoid connection.

5) Both Fran and Quina were instantly opposed to the possoblity I presented Day two, and quickly tried to vote me off.

6) Between Fran and Quina, either one of them, or both of them, are likely Mafia.

Cid


Well looking over posts, for the first time sence the first day Edgar is again my number one suspect, and no not just because he is saying I am suspicious.

1) Assuming that the Mafia didn't know about the lovers, Edgar voted for a non-mafia that got lynched three nights, and almost another on the only other night, (This is not very good evidence, considering many people including myself fall just under him in voting for three non-mafia)

2) He feverently attempted to put suspicion on Ingus, the first day, and started acting much calmer after the replacement came in (Again, not good evidence, he very well could have been defending himself)

3) He is one of the only two people left who voted for Rydia the first day. I personally doubt not a single mafia voted for the lynched townie on day one. (Read Edgar and Rinoas posts for good points as to why this isnt a good reason to vote for him)

4) Right before Auron was confirmed mafia, he stated that his suspicion toward Edgar was fading away. (This in and of itself, as anyone can see, is not very good evidence)

5) He claims I am suspicious for looking at the only evidence I have. (Could just be him watching his own neck as a townie)

Now, That is not much to go on, and I am not going to vote for him right now, but that is the most I have on any one player. I think it is just something to look at.

Edge:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edgar

I don't think Aeris is very suspicious.

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Why? I'm suspicious of all of you, and I thought other people felt the same.

Well, I WAS going to post the voting but it seems Aeris beat me to it.

Rinoa


Remember that Edge and Edgar are using replacements. Keep that in mind when you consider their actions from the beginning.

Edgar:


Unfortunately, I see that I'm not playing with a townie as good as Psychotic was last game. So I need to play my hand.

I've been trying to leave you clues just like Yamenko did all last game by right out saying I am sure ________ is _________ the next day, because I am a Cop.

Now that you know that I'll explain alot. Prepare to read.

Let me start by listing all of my Investigations.

Night 1- Cyan: This is the only investigation made by my partner when he was solo (obviously enough). And IMO it ws one of the best moves he made. Cyan looked very suspicious, and it was a logical move. He (obviously) came up innocent.

Don't believe me?
I left you all a hint.

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Originally Posted by [M] Edgar

Cyan- He did start the fight against Rydia. But thats not enough for me to think he's mafia. In fact, I'm sure he's not mafia. Rydia was pretty suspicious last round, for a Citizen, she didn't act like one.

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Night 2- Ramza: Ramza again seemed like a logical choice between me and my partner. His posting style became silly, and it looked like he was set up to take a lynch. We decided being a cop, we shouldn't vote b/c of a bandwagon, but because we think we know what we're doing. Ramza came up, innocent.

Again, the next day, I left you all a hint.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edgar

Ramza: Annoying, but I'm convinced he's innocent.

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Night 3- I investigated Faris. It seemed like a good idea, because her posts seemed so calculated, not too many, not too much, as we would find out that was because she was a survivor, I didn't know that (naturally she came up innocent). I did not post a clue that day, because I to me her posts still seemed so calculated, that she could have been the Godfather, so I didn't want to mislead anyone who was picking up my tips.

Last Night (AKA Night 4)- I investigated Aeris, her posting style seemed close to Faris's, so I wanted to see if maybe she was taking hints from Faris (if Aeris came up Guilty, then I would've been able to have some tangable evidence toward my idea to Faris being Godfather) she came up innocent. Ironically Faris was also killed that night, and revealed as a survivor.

My hint? Well Edge pointed it out xD

Thats why I jumped on Cid. I saw him pointing out two people I know as Citizens as main suspects! Thats why I still continue to think he's susipicious now.

Vivi:


R R R Roleclaim

Rinoa


That's the response you got? 'Innocent'?

Unfortunately, your investigations have not helped me at all, because Aeris and Ramza were the bottom two on my list of suspects.

Edgar:


Yes it is, but its also the truth, Vivi.

EDIT: Sorry they aren't helpful Rinoa, but they seemed like the most logical at the times I made them.

Vivi:


I'll take your word for it.

Edge:


I really want to say something right now, but no one would believe me. :(

Vivi:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edge

I really want to say something right now, but no one would believe me. :(

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Roleclaim?

Rinoa


Edge, go for it. It might be time for us to lay our cards on the table.

Aeris:


I think you should just tell us, Edge. We've had Wannabe Mafia Usurpers, I think we can handle what you have to say. :p

In terms of my innocence, there is not much I can say to defend myself - I've made bad votes throughout this game, and I admit that. I guess all I can do, is hope that you believe Edgar, and believe that I am not Mafia - as I know I am. This is what you'd expect me to say, I know; but there really is nothing else I can say to defend myself.

Edgar:


Do it Edge :0

Vivi:


and then Edge died of starvation.

Cid


Ok Edgar, that makes sence. You offered alot of very good points and evidence to the fact that you were a cop. And it wasn't just an I'm a Cop ----- is guilty, so I will trust you for now.

Now I can understand you being suspicious of me, that makes sence. Now I wanna hear what Edge has to say.

Edit: Also now I am looking at Fran and Quina like Ramza said, I haven't looked at much of what they had to say but I will look over them now. I already thought Ramza was innocent, in fact he is still the person I trust most to be innocent, and now with Edgar's claim I am more confident. That is unless Edgar is a naive cop.

Rinoa


I doubt naive cop is in play since it was in play last time, and there is still a possibilty of an insane cop. That would be a lot of cop. Also consider that we had Watcher and Tracker, which are also investigative roles.

Cid


True, but considering what Edgar said, if it is true (as it seemed to be) he isn't an Insane Cop.

Edge:


If someone wanted me to reveal that sort of information they should have included me in their little mason group. :cry:

I’m afraid we might lose this. I was looking over these roles and noticed something odd about what happened in night 3. Ofcourse there could have been a role that the Mafia scum, Auron went after that deflected his attack or killed him, but that might not be likely. A cult may be in our mist. Or it may be jester. Either way, I think we should be very careful with our vote to lynch. Let's hope it's insane cop.

Cult Leader
Insane Cop
Jester

I'm not sure about Firion, but it should be noted that he argued with Cyan (an innocent) in the beginning and then went after Barret (another innocent).

Cid

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edge

If someone wanted me to reveal that sort of information they should have included me in their little mason group. :cry:

I’m afraid we might lose this.

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Well if you are afraid we are going to lose, then this is not the point in the game to be withholding information, that is just my view on it. Though I don't know what information you have so maybe you should keep it secret, though I don't know why you would.

Aeris:


I apologise, but can you try and re-explain the thing about Night 3? I really don't understand the Auron thing. :(

I don't think that arguing with someone, and voting an innocent can be classed as suspicious - I mean, look at Ingus and Edgar on the first day. They were both arguing, and they both (appear) to be innocents. In terms of voting, simply voting an innocent doesn't really show anything.

Rinoa


It's hard for me to believe that there is a Cult leader because that would mean they now have 5 members (cult leader plus one for each night). That would make them pretty strong and they would be dominating this game, which I don't think they are.

I guess there is the possibility of them to be roleblocked, or some other form of blocking, which would put them at less members. Still, with everything that is going on in this game I can't see a Cult on top of all that.

Right now I'm willing to just say Vivi's the Jester and be done with it. I don't think he's mafia, and for a citizen he's been really useless.

Fran:


Oh come on, as if I've been working with anyone to vote people out. I only ever voted for people who seemed suspicious to me and I always made a post explaining why I was voting for so-and-so. I never made wild random votes like other people have, and I hardly ever bandwagoned. You guys are reading too much into it if you think there's more to it than that.

Anyway.

Cult Leader
Insane Cop
Jester

There hasn't been a single person who has acted Jester-like in this game. Let's rule out Jester. Cult Leader, if Cult Leader is in this game, then whatever townies are left (and there's literally only gonna be a handful) then we have already lost this game. There have been 4 nights so far. Which means 4 recruits + original Cult Leader = 5 Cult Members. There's only 10 players left. Which means that the cult members only need to vote out someone this round, to have majority power over all future lynches. Wowza. But if they had this sort of power, they would have started voting already, knowing that they only need 1 more person to follow them for a lynch. I don't think there is a Cult. If there is, then that means that we're in end-game already. It also means that I was never targeted to join the cult and that's just mean! I wouldn't mind being a cult member, you butts.

That leaves us with... Insane Cop.

There you go folks.

I was so not gonna make any more helpful posts (cause it seems that no matter how helpful my analysis are, people like Ramza are still gonna come after me and say that I'm Mafia) but there you go.

EDIT: RIONA! You stole the contents of my post! Now my analysis doesn't sound original and stuff. :(

Edge:


I would only feel comfortable discussing this with a select few because then they'd all be innocent townies, not mixed in with scum.

Firion

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edge

I'm not sure about Firion, but it should be noted that he argued with Cyan (an innocent) in the beginning and then went after Barret (another innocent).

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:lol: I never argued. I had made an observation and then Cyan convinced me otherwise. That's hardly an argument. And the barret thing? Oh sorry that I was suspecting him just as others were.

I have the time today So I wont be absent from this vote. I'm going to have to read over the rest of the day to figure things out so just give me a little bit and I'll join the thinking circle.

Fran:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edge

I would only feel comfortable discussing this with a select few because then they'd all be innocent townies, not mixed in with scum.

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Whoa, what are you talking about? I hope you're not discussing this game with other players outside this OFFICIAL thread cause that's against the rules. :o

Rinoa


Ok whatever, let's move on. Fran, what are your thoughts on who to lynch today?

Edge:

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Originally Posted by [M] Fran

Oh come on, as if I've been working with anyone to vote people out. I only ever voted for people who seemed suspicious to me and I always made a post explaining why I was voting for so-and-so. I never made wild random votes like other people have, and I hardly ever bandwagoned. You guys are reading too much into it if you think there's more to it than that.

Anyway.

Cult Leader
Insane Cop
Jester

There hasn't been a single person who has acted Jester-like in this game. Let's rule out Jester. Cult Leader, if Cult Leader is in this game, then whatever townies are left (and there's literally only gonna be a handful) then we have already lost this game. There have been 4 nights so far. Which means 4 recruits + original Cult Leader = 5 Cult Members. There's only 10 players left. Which means that the cult members only need to vote out someone this round, to have majority power over all future lynches. Wowza. But if they had this sort of power, they would have started voting already, knowing that they only need 1 more person to follow them for a lynch. I don't think there is a Cult. If there is, then that means that we're in end-game already. It also means that I was never targeted to join the cult and that's just mean! I wouldn't mind being a cult member, you butts.

That leaves us with... Insane Cop.

There you go folks.

I was so not gonna make any more helpful posts (cause it seems that no matter how helpful my analysis are, people like Ramza are still gonna come after me and say that I'm Mafia) but there you go.

EDIT: RIONA! You stole the contents of my post! Now my analysis doesn't sound original and stuff. :(

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Precisely.

Fran:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edge

Precisely.

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Precisely, what? Are you trying to say that there is a cult and you ARE a cult member? :confused:

Aeris:


...I am totally lost as to what Edge is getting at.

Edge:

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Originally Posted by '[M

Which means that the cult members only need to vote out someone this round, to have majority power over all future lynches. Wowza.

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Precisely. I wouldn't rule out insane cop or jester though.

Edgar:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edge

Quote:

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Originally Posted by '[M

Which means that the cult members only need to vote out someone this round, to have majority power over all future lynches. Wowza.

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Precisely. I wouldn't rule out insane cop or jester though.

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are you saying you think there is a cult and we are all screwed?:confused:

Firion


Who do you think would be a possible jester then edge? Is there anyone who is actually trying to get lynched? I just can't really see jester being in play.

Fran:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edge

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Originally Posted by '[M

Which means that the cult members only need to vote out someone this round, to have majority power over all future lynches. Wowza.

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Precisely. I wouldn't rule out insane cop or jester though.

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Seriously, dude, I still don't know what you're trying to say.

My entire post was made to say that I DON'T think Cults are in play, and that I think insane cop IS.

But now I'm beginning to think that you might be Jester, just cause your posts are too wacky right now. =/

Aeris:


What proof has there been that there is a cult of some kind? I don't see it.

Firion


There would probably be more band wagoning if there was a cult. Since there is a mason faction there doesn't seem to be two groups lynching like that.

Rinoa


Masons
Cult
Lovers
Mafia
Town

That's too many groups. Let's move on. I bet talking about cults is exactly what the mafia wants us to do.

Aeris:


I was thinking that this was all just a way of taking our minds off the actual problem here. So, maybe Edge, distracting us like this could be a mafia ploy? I dunno. I'm just grasping at straws here. :p

Rinoa


That's a possibility. I notice Fran did not give me her thoughts on lynching, and instead decided to reply to others.

Edge:


Oops, sorry for posting that twice. My computer has been acting funny lately. Also, I'm not distracting anyone away from the fact that there are probably mafia out there. I'm just considering all possible theories. I think if there is one thing we can all agree on here is that this game is a bit odd. You never know what kind of roles are out there. But, then after today we might be outnumbered greatly so it won't even matter. Vote right. :cry:

Fran:

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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa

That's a possibility. I notice Fran did not give me her thoughts on lynching, and instead decided to reply to others.

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Because I have no idea on who to lynch? :confused: Why don't you try and come up with people to lynch WHO AREN'T INACTIVES. We're getting down to the wire, we can't keep killing the less active people just cause they're making the game less fun.

I'm suspicious of Edge, but just watch, I vote for him and he'll end up being a citizen.

I'm not in any hurry to lynch, cause I figure the longer we wait, the more opportunity for somebody to slip up. Also, :twak:

Aeris:


When will this day end? I will probably need to sleep soon, so I'd like to know when I should vote, or get online to vote.

Rinoa:


Auron was an inactive and he turned out to be mafia, even though we didn't do it. So my method wasn't entirely useless!

You mentioned the possiblity of a Vigilante when we were discussing Freya, saying that Auron was more likely the Vig's kill rather than Freya's. It turns out Freya was telling the truth about her role, so I'd have to assume she was telling the truth about her kill. Does that change your mind about a Vigilante? I'm asking this because it was one of the roles on the latest note. With fewer people and more roleclaims I think we can start to narrow down which of these exists.

EDIT: Even though no votes have been cast, can we get a time check? I think it's important that Aeris get her vote in today.

Ramza:

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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa

Masons
Cult
Lovers
Mafia
Town

That's too many groups. Let's move on. I bet talking about cults is exactly what the mafia wants us to do.

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The Ramza suggests looking over all killing factions thus far.

Mafia - Confirmed Existance.
Mafia Wannabe Ursuper - Confirmed Existance
Lovers (Killer) - Confirmed Existance
Vigilante - Unconfirmed
Serial Killer - Unconfirmed.
Paranoid Gun Owner - Unconfirmed.

After night 2, both the Killer was gone, and the Ursuper used his ability. That gets rid of two possible night kills.

However, there were two kills Last night, meaning one of those other three roles is in play.

The Ramza believes that there is still a good chance of a Vigilante, given the fact there are 2 kills, when 2 confirmed killing factions are gone, leaving only one.

Mind you, there could be an entirely different role that The Ramza is not aware of that made the kill. (By this The Ramza means one Psy made up, like the Wannabe Ursuper.)

So there is still a good possibility of a Vigilante in our Midst.

Translation:

Given there were 2 kills last night, and only one of the three remaining killing factions is in play, there is still a good chance of a Vigilante being in play. Though Paranoid Gun owner and Serial Killer are still valid suggestions. Along with Jack of all trades.

Edit: Also, you voted Mog for inactivity, but it turned out to be wrong there. So I still don't think your inactive theory holds much water. I don't think the Mafia would keep multiple members of their group inactive.

Rinoa:


Does a paranoid gun owner kill the mafia if mafia tries to kill him?

Ramza:

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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa

Does a paranoid gun owner kill the mafia if mafia tries to kill him?

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The Ramza believes so. Whoever targets the Paranoid Gun owner at night gets shot. Though it didn't say the other roles ability doesn't go off either, so The Ramza guesses if a Mafia targeted him, they would both die. But that last part is just The Ramza's guess on what would happen.

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Originally Posted by [M] Aeris

When will this day end? I will probably need to sleep soon, so I'd like to know when I should vote, or get online to vote.

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03:30 PM tomorrow GMT. That would be 15 hours from now I do believe.

Ramza:


Well, The Ramza has some WoW action to get in, so The Ramza will vote now.

The Ramza will likely be back within 15 hours, so The Ramza's vote is not concrete.

##Vote: Fran

Aeris:


Alright, thanks. I should be home at 2, I'll make sure to get on here and vote. :)

Cid


I dont know who to suspect now, Edgar my main suspect made alot of good points making himself look innocent. He was the only person I really had anything to go off of. Now my beard thinks The Ramza might be onto something, but I think that Quina looks more suspicious that Fran, not for any particular reason, thats just how she comes across to me...

Quina:


For this entire game, the only reason aside from "Just because" anyone has had for suspecting me has been based on something only slightly less dumb, and that's that Fran and I have voted for the same people. That's because I think she's the most useful out of anyone in this game as far as deductive reasoning goes.

Edgar:


I dont really think we have much to go off of... so maybe rinoa is right. We may have to start voting off inactives. I mean she was right about Auron.

EDIT: This is gonna seem really awkard because the other me made this post so I'm technically about to be disagreeing with myself.

Edge is seeming really weird to me now. I don't know whether to call it out as a mafia or just crazy.

Consider this... In the past few hours Edge has said all of this:
1. Edge says he has "Something to say but no one would believe him". We say, say it, we'll believe you. Then he refuses.
2. His posts have almost caused hysteria now! Aeris, and Fran have both made posts saying just how confused they are.
3. He's talking about "Thinking of all possiblitlies." Right now shouldn't our concern be about the mafia thats been downing us one by one every night? He can say he's not trying to distract anyone, but thats like saying no offence after an insult, he's still doing it.

I still have time to analyze, but Edge is pretty high on my suspect list.

Cid


Well we should gather together a list of people who have been inactive and go from there, we certainly should not just chose some random inactive player and vote for him.

Edge:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Fran

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edge

I would only feel comfortable discussing this with a select few because then they'd all be innocent townies, not mixed in with scum.

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Whoa, what are you talking about? I hope you're not discussing this game with other players outside this OFFICIAL thread cause that's against the rules. :o

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No. What are you talking about? Because I was talking about masons. :confused:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edgar

Consider this... In the past few hours Edge has said all of this:
1. Edge says he has "Something to say but no one would believe him". We say, say it, we'll believe you. Then he refuses.
2. His posts have almost caused hysteria now! Aeris, and Fran have both made posts saying just how confused they are.
3. He's talking about "Thinking of all possiblitlies." Right now shouldn't our concern be about the mafia thats been downing us one by one every night? He can say he's not trying to distract anyone, but thats like saying no offence after an insult, he's still doing it.

I still have time to analyze, but Edge is pretty high on my suspect list.

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Still doing it? I've moved on from the cult discussion because some of you clearly don't want to even fathom it. And I didn't refuse to say anything. I said I would discuss it with people who are confirmed townies. Otherwise, it's a no go. It would make more sense if I revealed my role, but I don't think I want to do that right now. Leave it to the scum to quickly accuse people when they bring up theories. And I don't necessarily believe your role claim as a cop. The only way I would believe it is if you investigated me tonight and then posted the results tomorrow. That is the only way I know you're telling the truth. Though, you could just as easily be making it up then too.

Fran:


Of all the people who are actively posting, "The Ramza" has been the one who has most quick-votes, random-votes, vote hopping, and bandwagoning. Why is it that I'm the only one suspicious of him? Is it cause you guys think that his erratic behavior is due to someone who is simply a poor player? Cause obviously, despite his erratic voting and posting, he's survived this long. And he's just gonna keep on surviving, I bet.

Biggest suspects to me are:

Ramza (even though I feel like the rest of you will keep ignoring Ramza as a potential scum)
Edge (his most recent posts are very weird)
Edgar (I don't know if I buy his cop roleclaim)

People like Cid, Quina, Riona, Aeris I feel like I can't get a good read on.

At this point, I feel like the following people really need to post more:

Vivi
Firion

Edgar:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edge

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Originally Posted by [M] Edgar

Consider this... In the past few hours Edge has said all of this:
1. Edge says he has "Something to say but no one would believe him". We say, say it, we'll believe you. Then he refuses.
2. His posts have almost caused hysteria now! Aeris, and Fran have both made posts saying just how confused they are.
3. He's talking about "Thinking of all possiblitlies." Right now shouldn't our concern be about the mafia thats been downing us one by one every night? He can say he's not trying to distract anyone, but thats like saying no offence after an insult, he's still doing it.

I still have time to analyze, but Edge is pretty high on my suspect list.

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Still doing it? I've moved on from the cult discussion because some of you clearly don't want to even fathom it. And I didn't refuse to say anything. I said I would discuss it with people who are confirmed townies. Otherwise, it's a no go. It would make more sense if I revealed my role, but I don't think I want to do that right now. Leave it to the scum to quickly accuse people when they bring up theories. And I don't necessarily believe your role claim as a cop. The only way I would believe it is if you investigated me tonight and then posted the results tomorrow. That is the only way I know you're telling the truth. Though, you could just as easily be making it up then too.

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What are you talking about!?!
Talking to only confirmed citizens is against the roles. You can't PM people!
If I was scum, why would I want to shift focus on the mafia? No, if I was scum I'd love everyone to be on the lookout for a crazy cult. If there's a cult the the town has already lost. (That would mean there's probably at least 2-3 mafians and 5 cult members, leaving 2-3 townies left). I refuse to believe there is a cult, because if there is a cult, then I may as well give up, pack up, and go home.
Next, asking for an investigation never proves anything, we still haven't killed a godfather yet.

Rinoa:


If The Ramza is mafia then Edgar is mafia or Naive Cop. At this point I don't think there is a Naive Cop. Mafia already had a town role that could help them, and that was Saulus.

I really want to know what Edge and Fran's roles are. Almost enough to vote for them. I'm willing to reveal my role if you guys do the same.

Edge:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edgar

What are you talking about!?!
Talking to only confirmed citizens is against the roles. You can't PM people!
If I was scum, why would I want to shift focus on the mafia? No, if I was scum I'd love everyone to be on the lookout for a crazy cult. If there's a cult the the town has already lost. (That would mean there's probably at least 2-3 mafians and 5 cult members, leaving 2-3 townies left). I refuse to believe there is a cult, because if there is a cult, then I may as well give up, pack up, and go home.
Next, asking for an investigation never proves anything, we still haven't killed a godfather yet.

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Uh again, what are you talking about? I never PM anyone, but myself about this game. Now, you're just making stuff up. The masons would be the confirmed citizens I'd be able to talk to if I were recruited.

Firion

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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa

If The Ramza is mafia then Edgar is mafia or Naive Cop. At this point I don't think there is a Naive Cop. Mafia already had a town role that could help them, and that was Saulus.

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Just would like to point out something that people may have overlooked.

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Originally Posted by [M] Bahamut

but wait, after the shocking scene, Freya found something else nestled in that bush. One of these roles is NOT in play

Beloved Princess
Faith Healer
Mafia Cop

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We know that the faith healer is in that means one of them is left. And if you think, he may be telling the truth about all the innocents. A mafia cop may do that. *whistles*

fyi: another reason I haven't been posting is cause I hate when I type things out and they are skimmed over ;)

Rinoa:


I don't think the Masons can recruit people.

Edge:

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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa

I don't think the Masons can recruit people.

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Only if there is a recruiting mason role.

Rinoa:


Chances are, there isn't, or the masons would be directing us right now.

Edgar:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edge

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Originally Posted by [M] Edgar

What are you talking about!?!
Talking to only confirmed citizens is against the roles. You can't PM people!
If I was scum, why would I want to shift focus on the mafia? No, if I was scum I'd love everyone to be on the lookout for a crazy cult. If there's a cult the the town has already lost. (That would mean there's probably at least 2-3 mafians and 5 cult members, leaving 2-3 townies left). I refuse to believe there is a cult, because if there is a cult, then I may as well give up, pack up, and go home.
Next, asking for an investigation never proves anything, we still haven't killed a godfather yet.

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Uh again, what are you talking about? I never PM anyone, but myself about this game. Now, you're just making stuff up. The masons would be the confirmed citizens I'd be able to talk to if I were recruited.

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You made that very unclear, especially since we don't even know if there is a mason recruiter, but my question is we're on what can be one of the last days, and your hoping on that? Thats weak. I hope if there is a mason recruiter he realizes that would be an easy mafia trick to get him to kill himself.

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Originally Posted by [M] Firion

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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa

If The Ramza is mafia then Edgar is mafia or Naive Cop. At this point I don't think there is a Naive Cop. Mafia already had a town role that could help them, and that was Saulus.

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Just would like to point out something that people may have overlooked.

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Originally Posted by [M] Bahamut

but wait, after the shocking scene, Freya found something else nestled in that bush. One of these roles is NOT in play

Beloved Princess
Faith Healer
Mafia Cop

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We know that the faith healer is in that means one of them is left. And if you think, he may be telling the truth about all the innocents. A mafia cop may do that. *whistles*
fyi: another reason I haven't been posting is cause I hate when I type things out and they are skimmed over ;)

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Technically I can't refute that there could be a mafia cop. So yeah.

Edge:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edgar

You made that very unclear, especially since we don't even know if there is a mason recruiter, but my question is we're on what can be one of the last days, and your hoping on that? Thats weak. I hope if there is a mason recruiter he realizes that would be an easy mafia trick to get him to kill himself.

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I don't see how that's unclear. Since Cyan was a mason it wouldn't be that far fetched to presume that there is a recruiting mason. Nice to see you keep distracting away from your unconfirmed role claim to focus on something unimportant like this.

Edgar:


Of course I've moved on from my roleclaim. Because there is, technically no more I can do to prove my claim. I've moved on to trying to figure out what the hell your trying to do here, which I just can't figure out. You acted like you have an important role or something but won't let the town in on it despite it being this late in the game. How am I suppose to trust that?

Rinoa:


There are ten people left. The following people probably aren't Mason (since they claimed to be other things and I don't think Masons would lie):

Edgar
The Ramza

I will state right now that I am not a Mason. Edge, you apparently aren't a Mason. I also don't think Fran is a Mason. That would leave 5 people left who could be Masons. If there was a recruiting Mason then one would be added each night. Take out Cyan and that leaves 4 Masons. One person left. There is NOT one Mafia left. There is at least a Godfather, and I'm guessing a Prostitute, and/or Mafia Cop. That means someone in our group (you, me, Ramz, Ed, and Fran) is a mafia. I'm not Mafia. For now I believe Edgar and The Ramza are the roles they claim to be. That leaves a short list of people who could be mafia, and you're on it.

I do not think there is a recruiting Mason. There has to be at least one more (unless Psy is a tricky bastard), and at most 3 more. My guess is there are two more.

Edge:


You people are notorious at not believing role claims which is reason number 1 why I don't want to say it. But, I will because I'm tired of the constant discussion about it. I am (SPOILER)the vigilante.

I also didn’t want to say anything because then I’d be an easy target for mafia and I’ve also been a bit of a liability for the townies. Sorry about that. I killed off Basch, Cyan and sort of killed off Barret (it was my other half’s doing). I thought Basch was mafia because he was pretty inactive and only came in to vote every once in a while.

It turns out I was wrong. Again, sorry. This means it wasn’t me who killed off Auron on night 3 and I doubt the mafia would kill off their own, so that’s why I was thinking there might be a third faction, but I could still be wrong about that.

This also means that there probably isn’t a paranoid gun owner, over-eager vigilante, jack of all trades, and anything else that you people have claimed practically every day.

After all of this, I'm still not sure who to vote for. My replacement replacement and I have been trying to decide who to vote for, but could never make up our minds so we just never voted, and when I wanted to vote it was too late. Sorry about that too.

Firion


Alright kiddos, STOP WORRYING ABOUT MASONS! Tbh why does it matter!? They are pro town! (exclamation points makes it fact! :D) There would be too many now anyway.

Ok now look, if I recall correctly, which oh *looks it up* (yes, I do such things, you know.... get evidence, crazy huh!) A mafia cop does the same thing, looks up to find out who is who during the night. A mafia member would know who his team mates are and as you know, this game was smack full of roles. They probably gathered that there were other killing roles. (See Lovers for reference) So of course innocent would be great things to find while looking up. Yes mentioning them isn't so bad either. It clears you from heat such as... now possibly?

Preview edit: Oh :lol: rinoa posted what I said, just more throughly.

Ramza:

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Originally Posted by [M] Fran

Of all the people who are actively posting, "The Ramza" has been the one who has most quick-votes, random-votes, vote hopping, and bandwagoning. Why is it that I'm the only one suspicious of him? Is it cause you guys think that his erratic behavior is due to someone who is simply a poor player? Cause obviously, despite his erratic voting and posting, he's survived this long. And he's just gonna keep on surviving, I bet.

Biggest suspects to me are:

Ramza (even though I feel like the rest of you will keep ignoring Ramza as a potential scum)
Edge (his most recent posts are very weird)
Edgar (I don't know if I buy his cop roleclaim)

People like Cid, Quina, Riona, Aeris I feel like I can't get a good read on.

At this point, I feel like the following people really need to post more:

Vivi
Firion

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Oh yes, The Ramza vote hops a lot and randomly and bandwagons alright.

First Vote, The Ramza voted Ingus.
Changed vote to Barret before day was over. The Ramza voted Barret even though no one else had voted for him.

Second day The Ramza keeps The Ramza's vote on Barret.

Third day The Ramza remains on Barret until Rinoa and Faris speak out. The Ramza also decides that Barret Lying about Fran's vote was too silly for a Mafia to do. Why would one Lie about something that benefits no one, and yet attracts attention to themselves? This made The Ramza think Barret had just been smurfing up, so The Ramza didn't want to vote due to his error.


Fourth day day, The Ramza is the first to voice suspicion against you Fran. Then The Ramza votes after someone else confirms their suspicion of you. My vote stayed all through night 4.

In short, The Ramza has not Bandwaggoned until Mog. In addition, The Ramza has changed his vote twice, others have changed more.

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Originally Posted by [M] Quina

For this entire game, the only reason aside from "Just because" anyone has had for suspecting me has been based on something only slightly less dumb, and that's that Fran and I have voted for the same people. That's because I think she's the most useful out of anyone in this game as far as deductive reasoning goes.

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Um The Ramza stated more on you then that.

The Ramza brought up how both you and Fran came at The Ramza for suggesting a possobility. The two of you had claimed that The Ramza was spreading misinformation, regardless of the fact I never claimed anything to be definite.

However, Fran did do that. She claimed that her scenario was exactly what happened. You went along with it. Regardless of the fact that there was no more evidence to support that then the Idea the Mafia and one other faction targeted the same person.

As shown, you blame The Ramza for spreading misinformation. However, both of you are saying untrue things right now.

Tranlsation:
1) I've only changed my vote twice, and I already explained why both times I did it.

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Originally Posted by Fisrt Vote Change‘]And, in a surprise turn of events,

[b]##Vote: Barret[/b]

He jumped on the Ingus Vote after the Band waggoning attention had been thrown on Edgar. Seems like a great time to sneak in an bandwagon vote without drawing to much suspicion. Namely when all attention is on another.

I know its not much to go on, but it's all I got.[/QUOTE]

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The Ramza thinks it is time to end this.

While The Ramza is suspicious of Barret still, why would he lie about Fran's vote? A plain old lie like that wouldn't exactly help him, as it's easy to track back. The Ramza is starting to think he's just screwing up a lot when reading over everything, so The Ramza no longer think of him as a suspect.

The Ramza apologizes to Mog.

##unvote: Barret
##vote: Mog

Translation: Barrets lie about Fran changing votes wouldn't help him at all. It was far to obvious, so I think it's likely he just smurfed up somewhere when reading through the posts.

Sorry Mog, but this day needs to end.

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2) The only time I bandwaggoned was on Mog. For Ingus, Barret, and Fran, I was among the first to vote or voice suspicion on them. See above quote to see my reasons for not voting Barret.

3) Quina's claim that voting with fran is the only reason stated to be suspicious of him is flat out false, as I had previosly mentioned other reasons why he is a supsect.

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Well, The Ramza still thinks Fran or Quina are Mafia. Possibly Both.

While The Ramza's voting record isn't exactly the best either, (Having voted Barret night 1 and 2, Mog on night 3,) Fran's isn't exactly so pretty either. Every night, with the exception of night 2, she voted for a confirmed Citzen.

The exact same thing can be said for Quina. Also note, every night Fran and Quina voted together.

The other note is that Fran and Qiuna were both trying to discredit The Ramza's idea, even though The Ramza never claimed it as a fact, simply a possobility.

Fran and Quina seem to be working a lot together from what The Ramza has seen.

The Ramza shall also note that not all Mafia are likely to vote together. Remember Auron? He never voted for the same person that Quina and Fran did. Also, the ones who they voted for, Both The Ramza and Ingus, had come dangeriously close to a lynching. Mafia are likely to vote for those who are almost going to be lynched.

The Ramza guesses either one or both of these two are Mafia.

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1) Fran and Quina have voted together every day.

2) 2 out of three of their votes have been for a Confirmed Citzen.

3) They've always voted for people likely to get lynched.

4) If they are both Mafia, it is likely that Auron was the one member they assigned to vote seperately from the rest to avoid connection.

5) Both Fran and Quina were instantly opposed to the possoblity I presented Day two, and quickly tried to vote me off.

6) Between Fran and Quina, either one of them, or both of them, are likely Mafia.

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The Three I bolded are 3 reasons to vote Quina outside of the only two reason he claimed that have been used against him.

4) Quina originally voted for me, claiming I was spreading misinformation, regardless of the fact I simply voiced a possibility, while he and Fran said that I was wrong and they were right, even though there was no evidence suggesting one of the two possibilities was more likely then the other.

5) Both these posts from Fran and Quina are flat out lying.

Rinoa:


Edge, you only have 3 people killed, yet there have been four nights. Can you clear that up, please?

Also, if you killed Barret, and Freya killed Auron, then why didn't the mafia get a kill that night?

Fran:


Uh, Ramza, seriously. I never lied about anything. You're just mad cause I find your gimmick annoying. I never said that there weren't people who changed their votes more than you, or that you jumped on the bandwagon more than any other player, I said that if you look at your posting history, you have the MOST of all those erratic voting behavior combined. Your voting history looks a lot more suspicious than a lot of other people (who are ALSO suspicious).

Trying to outright claim that I'm a liar is so weaksauce cause it's obvious it's not true. Move on, man. You're not gonna win at an argument trying to make me seem like this crazy suspicious mafia player, cause the evidence just isn't there to support you. If you want me out, just say that you think I'm Mafia. Don't go trying to dig up stuff that isn't there. I'm been completely honest about the way I've voted. If anyone has any questions about why I voted for certain people, just ask. But in my opinion, it's pretty obvious as it is.

Also, Edge, to clarify something, you are saying that your role is VIGILANTE? Just want to get that straight.

Ramza:

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Uh, Ramza, seriously. I never lied about anything. You're just mad cause I find your gimmick annoying. I never said that there weren't people who changed their votes more than you, or that you jumped on the bandwagon more than any other player,

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Of all the people who are actively posting, "The Ramza" has been the one who has most quick-votes, random-votes, vote hopping, and bandwagoning.

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Then tell me Fran, what exactly did you mean by saying The Ramza had "The Most" of all these things?

Edge:


A Vigilante doesn't need to kill every night. The Vigilante is essentially a Night-Lyncher, and he's the only voter. I made the mistake of nabbing Barret, and I bought into the hype that he's a Mafia from other people. The first night of Vigilante was under my control alone, before some things turned up and I couldn't get on. That's when the other half of Edge came in and took control for a bit. Before that happened, though, I had managed to kill Barret. It was a quick decision and I was just jumping in. To answer your question, Rinoa, I think that Freya was lying. Obviously not in her role-claim, but in the death of Auron. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

However, while I have come up with whom I want to vote for in the lynching, the other player of Edge has not. Assassination is a less productive tool, as with only one voter, there's a less likely chance the guess is correct. I want to ensure we're right with whom we kill. But when the Lynching gets it wrong, I can't help but want to take the one I suspected during the night.

Edge:

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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa

Edge, you only have 3 people killed, yet there have been four nights. Can you clear that up, please?

Also, if you killed Barret, and Freya killed Auron, then why didn't the mafia get a kill that night?

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Apparently the earlier replacement was inactive so that's why no one was killed those nights. And I'm not allowed to kill too many innocent townies by accident. But, I can kill as much as I want or not at all.

Mafia must not have killed anyone that night.

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Also, Edge, to clarify something, you are saying that your role is VIGILANTE? Just want to get that straight.

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Yeah, just vigilante. No daytime, no over-eager, just plain Jane.

EDIT: Oops, sorry replacement replacement.

Quina:

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2) 2 out of three of their votes have been for a Confirmed Citzen.

3) They've always voted for people likely to get lynched.

5) Both Fran and Quina were instantly opposed to the possoblity I presented Day two, and quickly tried to vote me off.

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I didn't say there were no reasons, I said there were no GOOD reasons. Your post just brings up the crap reasons again. The idea you presented on Day 2 was stupid so I attacked it. Fran attacked it too.

Because it was stupid.

Ramza:

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2) 2 out of three of their votes have been for a Confirmed Citzen.

3) They've always voted for people likely to get lynched.

5) Both Fran and Quina were instantly opposed to the possoblity I presented Day two, and quickly tried to vote me off.

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I didn't say there were no reasons, I said there were no GOOD reasons. Your post just brings up the crap reasons again. The idea you presented on Day 2 was stupid so I attacked it. Fran attacked it too.

Because it was stupid.

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The Ramza still wonders why it is so stupid. Why couldn't the Mafia have targeted the same guy?

And also,

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Originally Posted by [M] Quina

For this entire game, the only reason aside from "Just because" anyone has had for suspecting me has been based on something only slightly less dumb, and that's that Fran and I have voted for the same people. That's because I think she's the most useful out of anyone in this game as far as deductive reasoning goes.

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What was then meant by "The only" reason?

Edge:


Don't worry about it, other half of me. I should have known you were on Mafia. :monster:

Fran:

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Originally Posted by [M] Rinoa

Edge, you only have 3 people killed, yet there have been four nights. Can you clear that up, please?

Also, if you killed Barret, and Freya killed Auron, then why didn't the mafia get a kill that night?

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Apparently the earlier replacement was inactive so that's why no one was killed those nights. And I'm not allowed to kill too many innocent townies by accident. But, I can kill as much as I want or not at all.

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Hmm... I was about to be all, "wtf, you can't be regular Vig if you can kill every night!" But your explanation kinda makes sense. But, uh, why would Freya lie? She saw that she was about to get lynched and her lynching confirmed that she was telling the truth about her roleclaim.

Something fishy is going on here.

Rinoa:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edge

To answer your question, Rinoa, I think that Freya was lying. Obviously not in her role-claim, but in the death of Auron. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

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Actually, that doesn't make sense. Then who killed Auron? The mafia certainly didn't. And if you were the Vigilante then I think you would be the only one left with kill power.

I'm not sure I understand what you say about not being able to kill too many innocent townies. Could you explain?

Edge, if you really are the Vig, you are doing the right thing right now.

Ramza:

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Originally Posted by [M] Edge

To answer your question, Rinoa, I think that Freya was lying. Obviously not in her role-claim, but in the death of Auron. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

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Actually, that doesn't make sense. Then who killed Auron? The mafia certainly didn't. And if you were the Vigilante then I think you would be the only one left with kill power.

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Either Protection or a double target would explain it just fine. The Ramza doesn't think Freya lied either.

Quina:

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2) 2 out of three of their votes have been for a Confirmed Citzen.

3) They've always voted for people likely to get lynched.

5) Both Fran and Quina were instantly opposed to the possoblity I presented Day two, and quickly tried to vote me off.

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I didn't say there were no reasons, I said there were no GOOD reasons. Your post just brings up the crap reasons again. The idea you presented on Day 2 was stupid so I attacked it. Fran attacked it too.

Because it was stupid.

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The Ramza still wonders why it is so stupid. Why couldn't the Mafia have targeted the same guy?

And also,

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Originally Posted by [M] Quina

For this entire game, the only reason aside from "Just because" anyone has had for suspecting me has been based on something only slightly less dumb, and that's that Fran and I have voted for the same people. That's because I think she's the most useful out of anyone in this game as far as deductive reasoning goes.

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What was then meant by "The only" reason?

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1. I refuse to explain to you AGAIN why you were just talking out of your ass two whole days ago. If you forgot, go back and read it again.

2. Oh my god, I misspoke! Well smurf me right in the ear! :rolleyes2

Edge:

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To answer your question, Rinoa, I think that Freya was lying. Obviously not in her role-claim, but in the death of Auron. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

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Actually, that doesn't make sense. Then who killed Auron? The mafia certainly didn't. And if you were the Vigilante then I think you would be the only one left with kill power.

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You're right it doesn't make sense. That's why I said mafia probably killed no one that night because I doubt they'd kill their own.

Keep in mind my replacement replacement came in to help a little while ago, and doesn't really know what's going on.

Rinoa:


Well we do know we had a faith healer at that point. Also the target could have been jailed. The Ramza, are you ready to reveal some of your jailed targets? Looks like we're laying it all on the table right now.

EDIT: Edge, if this replacement replacement stuff is all a big trick then kudos, man.