Mafia F11! Game Over - Del Murdered - Town Wins

No, Lekana would be defending Sir L if she was mafia, not AK.

I think you just misread it.

EDIT: Btw guys, I'm the Cult member.

Happy now? xD

Well Lev, you sure had me fooled. I don't know why you would play that way if you were town but I guess that's what you did.

I think I made another mistake by calling out Jojee so early in the day. I should have let her post a little more. Instead by accusing her so early I gave her an easy target to focus on for the rest of the day. In the head to head battle that I think she wants us to have it would be harder for me to win since she is fresh and does not have as much rope to hang herself with, so to speak. But with the time we have left I have no problem going at it with her, giving you all as much information as I can.

She seems so confident in my guilt that she says to lynch me tomorrow if she dies. I disagree with that approach for a town. I do not say lynch her (if I am killed) with 100% confidence. Yes she is my top suspect but I allow the possibility of someone else being mafia. Each day should be looked at in the context of the moment and all the history leading up to that moment.

All I ask regarding Jojee is that you keep in mind that her and Lekana have the same role. Lekana isn't around to answer for past actions but that should not mean we should ignore them.

@DD: What could Lekana possibly use to defend Lancelot? I think her post against AK was to put suspicions on a usually suspicious guy, while avoiding the other issues in play. I question your continued suspicion of Levian even after there has been some good evidence presented that he is town. I would like to know what your thoughts are about what happened in the last hour of day 2 when you weren't around. Finally, what was your motivation at the time you voted Lancelot?

@AK: Lekana suspected you for much of day 2, and according to Jojee you were her other top suspect besides myself. What is your opinion of Jojee's decision to pretty much drop the case against you? Do you think it was a geniune change of opinion, or a realization of a failed strategy? You were the first person to point out Lance's connections (or lack thereof) with Levian, which doesn't make me suspicious of you as much as I am of the other two (DD and LeJojo) at the moment. But that makes it all the more pivotal that we get your opinion on the remaining players.

I apologize for my erratic methods. In FFXI I'm working on the Chains Of Promathia storyline and those missions take up a lot of time. I'm sure Levian understands what I'm talking about.

I'll try and come back to see what's going on later. Enjoy.

I voted Lancealot purely because he wasn't contributing very well and I wanted him to speak up; but then he voted for me without giving any reason, so I stuck.

I'll reply to the other question shortly.

Ok I just saw Jojee's post where she alluded to some of the things I said. I actually agree with her that your reasonings behind those things suck.

Okay, so at the end of day 2 when I was gone, the biggest news flash was Lekana voting for Levian and almost saving sir lancealot in the process.
It makes me slightly suspicious, but I don't think it is damning enough.

If X-quote worked I'd be more proficient in my accusations.

God, sorry guys. I fell asleep. :(

Reading the posts now.

26 hours of the day remaining.

Official Votecount:
Jojee - (1): Del Murder
Del Murder - (1): Jojee

Not voting
Everyone else ;p

Well if you say Levian is innocent, then there is only one person who is guilty in my book.

##Vote: Del Murder

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Originally Posted by Del Murder

I can't really say her last last minute switch to Lance looks very scumish without looking like a hypocrite.

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Pre-empting that someone will call you out on that? That's okay, I can say it: it does look scummish. Your vote looks more scummish than Lekana's, as yours was a full five minutes after Psy's whereas Lekana's post was a minute after and it looks like it'd take her more than a minute to type that, but y'know what, both are scummy. Lucky me, I know I'm not scum, so I just have to focus on you. :p Now only if others knew :p

I didn't read Day 1 carefully yet, but Psy seemed to think the same.

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I did notice that, actually, and the time codes just don't check out. This was one alarm going off, seeing as last minute switching is often done in Mafia to fix votecounts used in later days.

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Originally Posted by Lekana

OK my reason why I stopped my AK push. He wasn't doing anything scummy! So I decided to drop that. I didn't want a vote attached to someone if they weren't acting so scummy and could possibly get me killed D: (by connections that is)

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And she decided that her baiting didn't work. I concur with this - AK responded well enough for my liking, and coupled with his vote for Lance yesterday I'm willing to think he's more innocent than not.

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I never suspected Lekana because of this. Everyone who knows me, knows that I slip up under pressure. I'd like to think that I've improved, but it's been a while since I was a townie.

Btw, also a reason why I like anonymous games. :p

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Originally Posted by Del Murder

I foolishly rushed in...

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You don't foolishly rush in, you're not DD(no offence).

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Originally Posted by DD

Her biggest problem

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It's HIM, you whiny little ingrade. xD

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Originally Posted by Del

@AK: Lekana suspected you for much of day 2, and according to Jojee you were her other top suspect besides myself. What is your opinion of Jojee's decision to pretty much drop the case against you? Do you think it was a geniune change of opinion, or a realization of a failed strategy? You were the first person to point out Lance's connections (or lack thereof) with Levian, which doesn't make me suspicious of you as much as I am of the other two (DD and LeJojo) at the moment. But that makes it all the more pivotal that we get your opinion on the remaining players.

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Actually, I was pretty annoyed, but never suspisious. She knows me, and therefore knows how I play. I never really got a vibe from her being mafia, for some reason. Her unvoting me after 2 attacks complies with trying to make me slip up.

Demon Dude is just him, and definitely not *cough*smart*cough* enough to stage his attack on Sir L.

Levian is still on my suspect list, seeing as Psy targeted him. But I have to bear in mind that Psy targets nearly everyone(at least experienced players) in every game. In this game he went after Lekana,Del and Levian, which complies with that.

So to answer your question, only you and Levian are on my suspect list now.

I really don't like that switch vote, it just doesn't feel right.

I'd vote for you, but I don't want to speed-lynch until I hear from Levian some more.

I staged my attack on Sir Lancealot, I know everything I said, and it's ridiculous that you'd think I didn't type it.
I'm beyond your constant insults to be honest, I'm not gonna lose sleep on it. >_>

By stage, I mean you two were mafia buddies and made a deal to vote for each other, to lose suspision if one of you gets lynched.

Do you still want to say you staged your attack? :eyebrow:

And I know you won't. ;)

That would be a silly sacrifice, seeing as I wasn't very suspicious anyway.

Subtle sarcasm is wasted on the internet.

>_>

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Originally Posted by Del Murder

She seems so confident in my guilt that she says to lynch me tomorrow if she dies. I disagree with that approach for a town. I do not say lynch her (if I am killed) with 100% confidence. Yes she is my top suspect but I allow the possibility of someone else being mafia. Each day should be looked at in the context of the moment and all the history leading up to that moment.

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I'm not 100% convinced that you're mafia. I just suspect you a lot more than anyone else, which is enough for me to advise town to lynch you tomorrow if I happen to die. Of course, if something significant comes up to change the situation, then etc. etc.

*still at school* :3

Hmm, Jojee is pretty good. She is actually putting up a fair case. But it still could be an act. As time goes by I suspect DD more and more but still Lekana/Jojee is my main concern.

My back is up against the wall and I hope Levian and AK don't end this day yet. I think there is more that needs to be said. Lynching me right now would actually explain a lot of things but I don't think it would bring us any closer to finding the last mafia.

##Unvote: Del murder

Don't end the day early, I won't be back till late tomorrow. D :

Gobo didn't even count your vote. :)

All is well then.

Flattery does get you everywhere, but not really <3.

It'd probably help more if you answered my points/questions/whatev. :D

ugh bleh puke.

If DD is mafia then I think we might be smurfed yeah xD

Huh. I don't really have anything else to add. I just want to end this game really.

If DD has unvoted, I'll vote now.

So if you guys want to end the day without me, fine.

##vote: Del(with the hat)

But I'd like to hear your thoughts on the last page, Lev lev.

My thoughts on the last page is that one of them are mafia and that we can kill both of them? :D I'd say Del is more probable though, although Lekana has her share of dirt too.

Looks like my time is limited so I will share the remaining information I have and hope for the best. Levian, if you want to end this game quickly a vote for me will not do that. You'll have at least one more day to deal with, but I think you guys can do it. I want to end this too, which is why I hope Jojee is the one.

I am the cop. Night 1 I investigated Psychotic and got town. Night 2 I investigated Levian and got town. My 'big mistake' was investigating Levian in night 2, rather than Lekana or DD. As soon as the day ended I sent my pm to Boko, without doing more investigation first. I was fed up with the game after the long day and wanted to go do something else. When got the result I wasn't looking for I went to work on the 'trap' I planned to set for the other three, rather than doing my research first. Lance's previous voting patterns definitely made it clear that Levian was not mafia and I missed it.

I would like to explain what happened in the final minutes of the previous day. I came home from work to see a tie, and Psychotic with the deciding vote. I took the time to read through the many posts from the previous hour and the last post I got to was where Psy said he would 'post his decision in 10 minutes'. At that point I had to make a decision. At the time I thought that both of these guys were the mafia and that Psychotic's deciding vote would surely get him a bullet in the night. Knowing he was town I wanted to prevent that from happening. So I made a quick reply (yeah it came out 4 minutes after he voted but I still reading the prior stuff at that time) where I tried to accomplish two things:

1. Take the decision out of Psychotic's hands thus making him less likely of a target. True, Psy is always a likely target, but his indecision in the end could very well have given him enough 'suspicion' to keep him alive for another day.

2. I included Lekana in my post to throw off Levian, as I didn't want to be killed either. At the time Levian was still very much my top suspect, Lekana secondary. Also, if Lance turned out to be town, me being the deciding vote would almost surely guarantee I live for another day.

There is also a third reason that I actually do get annoyed when Psychotic drags stuff out like that.

These things didn't guarantee our safety but it would have at least cause some confusion among the mafia. If I died during the night my role would be revealed and my hope was that though a look through my posts it would become obvious that I investigated Psychotic and he was cleared. Here's the quote I refer to:

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Now, I didn't call for his investigation like I did last time, but I think the 'investigate Psychotic immediately' mentality is still out there. There is only a 50% chance of having a cop, I know, but if there is one I'd say Psychotic is the most likely candidate to be investigated. Hell that's who I'd pick. No cop has spoken up yet so no guilty verdict was obtained (or there is no cop). That doesn't clear Psy by a long shot but that is enough to put him aside for those who I see multiple mafia red flags.

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A cleared Psychotic is almost as useful as a cop, maybe even more so. The possibility of a doctor would also potentially give him an extra night of safety. I made some pointers on Psychotic but it was all mainly fluff to keep Levian from suspecting me as cop. A good cop makes himself (or herself) a target for the mafia to hang, not to shoot. Die in the night and you can't reveal anything. Come close to dying during the day and and you can at least spill your beans and clear a few people before you go. That's what I have been trying to do, and maybe a little too well. I still think we can win this even if I die today, but to do so we have to keep Jojee & DD (and to a lesser extent AK) talking.

People, We have the last mafia.

Actually Del, I am the cop.

Wonderful, you messed up big.

It is Del, Yey for a town win! =D

To elaborate, I investigated Lekana on day 1(innocent) and Psychotic on day 2(Innocent).

That's why I keep saying lekana is innocent, even though she attacks me.

I wonder what he has in store for me though, he knew that the cop would come out and disclaim him, because if there is a cop and a doctor, he has to be a roleblocker. So he would know that there is a cop.

If I need to, i'll find the many many quotes that have me saying I don't suspect Lekana, even though she behaves like scum.

edit: Oh, why not.

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Originally Posted by Aerith's Knight

However much accusations she brings, I didn't think Lekana a mafia at all, at least not until that sudden Lev vote.

I actually get the part of trying to make me slip up, but well.. if there isn't anything to slip up about, it gets hard to make me now, doesn't it?

I'd still not vote for her, but I'd like to see more of her reasoning before the lynch though. She just doesn't give off a scum vibe.. more of a.. wench *cough* vibe.

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Originally Posted by Lekana

OK my reason why I stopped my AK push. He wasn't doing anything scummy! So I decided to drop that. I didn't want a vote attached to someone if they weren't acting so scummy and could possibly get me killed D: (by connections that is)

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And she decided that her baiting didn't work. I concur with this - AK responded well enough for my liking, and coupled with his vote for Lance yesterday I'm willing to think he's more innocent than not.

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I never suspected Lekana because of this. Everyone who knows me, knows that I slip up under pressure. I'd like to think that I've improved, but it's been a while since I was a townie.

Btw, also a reason why I like anonymous games.

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Originally Posted by Del

@AK: Lekana suspected you for much of day 2, and according to Jojee you were her other top suspect besides myself. What is your opinion of Jojee's decision to pretty much drop the case against you? Do you think it was a geniune change of opinion, or a realization of a failed strategy? You were the first person to point out Lance's connections (or lack thereof) with Levian, which doesn't make me suspicious of you as much as I am of the other two (DD and LeJojo) at the moment. But that makes it all the more pivotal that we get your opinion on the remaining players.

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Actually, I was pretty annoyed, but never suspisious. She knows me, and therefore knows how I play. I never really got a vibe from her being mafia, for some reason. Her unvoting me after 2 attacks complies with trying to make me slip up.

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Damn, I was hoping you were the doctor. I knew you were one of them.

Good play, my friend.

YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE

*shoots self*

Thanks, it wouldve worked were I not the cop, but you should've know that there was one. You were the roleblocker, no? :)

Great game though, until day 3 I was sure either Levy or Psy was the last mafia, but I shouldve know, you always play a very good mafia.

*uses super ultra kunfu jesus magic to stop you from killing yourself*

Oh haha. I was so sure we didn't have a cop. How wonderfully magnificent.

Great play, Del. You make a good mafia.

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Originally Posted by Old Manus

Oh haha. I was so sure we didn't have a cop.

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Sneaky AK... is sneaky. xD

Now I wonder if DD or Lekana is a doctor.

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Originally Posted by Del Murder

Damn, I was hoping you were the doctor. I knew you were one of them.

Good play, my friend.

YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE

*shoots self*

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I'm going to take that at face value :)

The day was young. Del Murder knew his time was running up. But damn, he would go down with a bang. The day continued accusations where made, and it looked like Del might make it through the day with a solid argument against Lekana, I mean Joy, I mean Lekana. But, then Aerith's Knight made a decisive blow, he played a security tape of Lekana not leaving her house on the first night. Stalkerish, yes. Important? Oh yes. Del knew he was done, but he knew a real mafian goon wouldn't be taken in by these filthy mongrels. He pulled out his gun and shot himself in the head, blood splattered all over Old Manus Levian, and once again the day was saved thanks to. Duh-duh duh duh dah duh! The town (wins)!

Set Up:
1. Levian- Vanilla Townie
2. qwertyxsora- Vanilla Townie
3. Sir Lancealot- Mafia Goon
4. Psychotic- Vanilla Townie
5. Del Murder- Mafia Goon
6. Lekana- Vanilla Townie
7. Aerith's Knight- Cop
8. Demon Dude- Vanilla Townie
9. Sagensyg- Vanilla Townie

Role PMs:

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Originally Posted by Goldenboko

There is nothing interesting about you, you're just a Vanilla Townie therefore you get no flavah in your PM!

You win when all mafia is lynched. You get no special ability.

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Originally Posted by Goldenboko

Peace? What a joke! As mafia you have declared war on peace and happiness and why not? Think about it all the biggest losers have supported peace, Ghandi? L-O-S-E-R! Time to spread the pain and death, survival of the fittest baby, and you know that you are the most fit.

And why do this? Simple, *insert typical evil background here*.

Sir Lancealot, as mafia, you win when there are no townies left. Once a night you may kill one person that you've agreed upon with your partner (PM your target to me). You’re partner is Del Murder. You will discuss via Private Message! Please respond to this PM to confirm, or post in the thread to confirm! Happy hunting!

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If there's one thing you've learned over the years its that, Donuts are delicious. How do you know this? Because you are a Cop. Murders make you sick, you've committed your life to finding out how to track them down, you're experienced and you're ready.

You are allied with the town, you win when all the mafia is killed. Once per night you can PM me an investigation, which will give you a verdict of Guilty or Innocent. Happy scum hunting!

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Someone can know change the title to whatever pleases him or her.

Awsome, so there wasn't a doctor? xD

Good twist.

Oh wow. xD I kinda thought there wasn't a cop either. xD Hahaha nice.

Seems like the town is a bit overpowered with a cop, while the mafia doesn't even have a roleblocker, though. In C9 or whatever (the 7 person game) there's still 2 mafia. In this game there's 9 people and only 2 mafia, so I expected 1 or 0 town power-roles and I expected there to be a mafia roleblocker if there were a town power role. xD

I did it at random, that's what I got. Guess its more of a Newbie Setup.

I am wondering why your sig say's KCxGoBo yet links to KCxJoJo.

I like this setup a lot. Simple yet effective. Of the four possibilities I think we got the one that was the worst for the mafia, but that's the luck of the draw. Could have easily got a setup where there was no town power roles.

I think the biggest mistake I made was not turning on Lance sooner. I should have voted him before I left work at the end of day 2. Then Psy conceivably would have forced a tie with a Levian vote and I may have been able to turn it around and get Levian out.

I had Del marked since during Day 2, but Lancealot slipped right by me. lekana and DD screamed town to me, and after Lance was lynched Levian was also cleared.

There is one flaw with this setup though, and that is if there is a roleblocker or not then the mafia have a 50/50 guess on the setup. What should be done is keep the randomization of mafia and town roles separate, that way everything is perfectly random.

Wait, DD lived a whole game? Get him! :p

I wanted to go after Del after he became suddenly suspicious of Lancealot right after I did, but Levian had to get in the way!

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Originally Posted by qwertyxsora

There is one flaw with this setup though, and that is if there is a roleblocker or not then the mafia have a 50/50 guess on the setup. What should be done is keep the randomization of mafia and town roles separate, that way everything is perfectly random.

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I don't think that's a flaw. With 9 town to 2 mafia, they need that 'advantage' (which can be the downfall as we've seen) to keep things even. If the town pays attention they should realize that the mafia has a 50% guess at the setup and keep that in mind.

Oh yeah, you probably want to know my other trap. I like to play a little differently each game, so here it is.

Starting day 2 I would open up with a vote on Levian, to continue our little game into the first part of Day 2. Then every so often I would post another votecount like I had been, only I would purposely misspell lancealot's name in the count. I remember in the first mafia social group, Lancealot hated when i did that, so if he took the bate I would call him out on his inactivity, yet keep the pressure on Levian, hopefully getting a good amount of votes on him. If Lancealot picked up on my little error, it would be very easy to call him out and ask what he thought of everyone in a long, detailed post, because he had pained enough attention to the spelling of his name.

But you killed me before i could start it. :(

Well I killed you because you would get in my way of having Psy and Lev go at each other in day 2.

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Originally Posted by Goldenboko

I did it at random, that's what I got. Guess its more of a Newbie Setup.

I am wondering why your sig say's KCxGoBo yet links to KCxJoJo.

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What are you on about? It says KCxJojo :p Maybe you just want it to say KCxGoBo!

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Originally Posted by Jojee

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Originally Posted by Goldenboko

I did it at random, that's what I got. Guess its more of a Newbie Setup.

I am wondering why your sig say's KCxGoBo yet links to KCxJoJo.

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What are you on about? It says KCxJojo :p Maybe you just want it to say KCxGoBo!

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I saw you change it bish. I saw you change it.

I ... won ..?

lolwut.

See what happens when you play properly, DD? ;)

:kaocry:

I'm the REAL winner here.

I just can't see a way how that is true.

So. Does this like, get archived now? :shifty:

*Casts summon mod*

*is summoned*

No. No it does not.

Don't close the thread, it holds magical, magical moments.