LOST - Season 6

I totally cried. I was over the moon ecstatic to see not only Vincent during the middle of the episode, but at the very end too!! Loved it! And seeing the whole cast reassemble was amazing. Could they have pulled at our collective heartstrings any more than they just did?

But they answered nothing! Nothing! But it's like, you can't even be mad because of all the happy feelings they shoved into that last episode. Tricky bastards! This is what they planned all along! Blind you with amazing moments like Sawyer/Juliet reunion so that you don't notice that nothing was answered! Ahhh!

Once this lovely glow of happy nostalgia for the characters fades, I'm sure tomorrow I'll be a lot more angrier at the bullcrap lack of answers and how none of this made any god damn sense in the end.

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Sure, there were a lot of loose-ends but I was overall very happy with how the show ended. :)

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Loose ends? I knew there would be loose ends, but they didn't answer the main thing. The one thing that from the beginning they told us they would answer. The main question of the entire series: What is the island?

It was a very good finale. Very emotional and touching, and it was cool to see all the characters back. I loved it, but they basically used that to distract us from the fact that they told us very little of what the island actually was. What is the light? Why did it turn all volcano when it was put out? I really wish they had given us this fundamental of answer.

Those bastards.

...Like what is the smoke monster...or why can Desmond travel through fricken time (or did he even AHHH). I accept the ending for what it is and I didn't have any expectations going in but I'm just not understanding what it all meant as a whole.

Boy am I glad I stopped watching this show seasons ago! I don't care how emotionally awesome it felt, there's no way I would tolerate it not answering questions. :p At least it sounds somewhat redeemed by being emotionally satisfying though.

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Loose ends? I knew there would be loose ends, but they didn't answer the main thing. The one thing that from the beginning they told us they would answer. The main question of the entire series: What is the island?

It was a very good finale. Very emotional and touching, and it was cool to see all the characters back. I loved it, but they basically used that to distract us from the fact that they told us very little of what the island actually was. What is the light? Why did it turn all volcano when it was put out? I really wish they had given us this fundamental of answer.

Those bastards.

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I'm with you and Miriel. I was simultaneously enjoying all the happy feelings and pissed that they answered nothing (well, except what was up with the alternate timeline, but that hardly counts). I never even expected them to answer everything, but not giving an answer to the fundamental question that has pretty much been the driving mystery behind the entire show was low. Really low. It felt like they were pretty much saying they had no idea how to give a satisfactory answer (even if it was a cryptic one) so they didn't even bother and tried to cover up the pile of poo they left in the middle of your room with some air freshener.

I enjoyed the episode as a season finale or partial conclusion, but as a series finale it was very wanting. The writers and producers are dicks.

I think it just goes to show the entire show was about the characters, and all of the mystery stuff was just a plot device to tell us about them.

Whether or not you think that is a good thing, though, is up to you!

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I think it just goes to show the entire show was about the characters, and all of the mystery stuff was just a plot device to tell us about them.

Whether or not you think that is a good thing, though, is up to you!

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The characters were only half of the show. You don't spend six seasons building up the mysteries that much to cop out with an "it's about the characters" answer. If seeing the character moments was enough to satisfy some fans then more power to them, but the rest of us wanted some of the answers we were promised to go with them.

I'll point out that I'm not even talking about them throwing in a moment with Jacob laying out exactly what the island is and how everything works. Somewhat vague non-specific answers would have been fine, but they couldn't be bothered to even give us that much.

Definately agree with what most have said here!

Great emotional finale!! But could've been better if there were actually answers! They couldve answered as much questions in the lead up to the finale and it still wouldve been great but the main unanswered loose plot threads are pretty hard to ignore!

Of all things...seeing vincent in the end nearly made me cry!!

The most annoying thing about Lost throughout all of its seasons is by far its "fans" :p

I don't need answers to every little thing, and we do know what the island and the light is, don't we? Jacob explained it earlier in the season using a wine bottle.

Nice episode!

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I think it just goes to show the entire show was about the characters, and all of the mystery stuff was just a plot device to tell us about them.

Whether or not you think that is a good thing, though, is up to you!

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Yeah that was plainly obvious in the finale, the producers also said so during the two hour recap before the finale. So it wasn't a huge surprise. But as Vivi said that is only half the show. The other half is the mysteries, and that is what made the show so popular. Without the craziness happening on the island the show would not have lasted 6 years. During those 6 years we were given the impression that the creators knew what the island was the whole time and why crazy stuff happens there, and we would be told this by the end. I don't feel like that happened.

I understood that it would be a character driven finale and many things wouldn't get explained, like the numbers, how certain characters have special powers (Walt, Hurley, Desmond, Miles, etc). But I really thought the essential question of what the island was would be explained. I thought Jacob's cork in the beaker explanation was a metaphor. But there really was a literal freaking cork. That's just bad writing. :/ Tell us what it's trying to keep locked away and why at least! The finale was beautiful except for that stuff.

Actually you make a good point by bringing up Walt. As far as characters goes, he has always been pretty damn important, playing a key role in the first two finales and appearing in the next two. Yet there's no mention of him ever again.

I knew they were never going to answer all the questions. It became more and more obvious as time went on that they didn't even have answers to the mysteries.

But even as the "make :bou::bou::bou::bou: up as we go along" thing became crystal clear, I never stopped believing that in the end, they would tell us what the island was. Is, "the island is a cork" really the closest we're going to get to an answer? This was a cop-out of epic proportions. If they were going to pull a cop out, they did it in the most lovely way possible. But seriously, EPIC cop-out.

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Ok, so I've been reading around theories and interpretations online and people seem to be mighty confused about what happened. But it seemed pretty clear to me? Island stuff really happened, they all eventually died and "created" a place in the afterlife to help find each other so they could help each other move on. Right?

Also they apparently offered Eko a hefty sum to return for the finale but he wanted 5 times that amount and so he was yanked from the finale. What a bitch move! Greedy! No explanation about why Walt didn't come back, but I assume it's cause they didn't want to deal with the weirdness of having a totally grown up Walt when they kept Aaron as a baby.

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Ok, so I've been reading around theories and interpretations online and people seem to be mighty confused about what happened. But it seemed pretty clear to me? Island stuff really happened, they all eventually died and "created" a place in the afterlife to help find each other so they could help each other move on. Right?

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I thought that was unbelievably clear as well. As much as it doesn't surprise me that some people are confused about it, I don't understand how they could be.

I liked the touch of having close to every religion covered in the temple.

It was an okay ending. If anything, I actually kind of like that they didn't answer everything as, much like a lot of FF games, it leaves a lot open to discussion and interpretation. As for "what is the island" - Like Lev, I thought that was answered some time ago as well, actually. I think it's a bit more than that, though - I believe that it holds the world together in a way. That plug thing was destroying the island, and I think it would have destroyed the world if it stayed unplugged forever (hence "when the light goes out here, it goes out everywhere").

I found a lot of it kind of maudlin. All this slow memory stirring as characters meet over and over, I felt like I was watching "Previously, on Lost..." recaps with characters smile-crying in the middle of them. But I was alright with most of it, I guess. I would take the 6 season journey again, and that's pretty good.

I liked Kate's, "I saved you a bullet." So many haters :colbert: Kate is awesome. I have that exact black dress too. I look better in it, though.

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Ok, so I've been reading around theories and interpretations online and people seem to be mighty confused about what happened. But it seemed pretty clear to me? Island stuff really happened, they all eventually died and "created" a place in the afterlife to help find each other so they could help each other move on. Right?

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That's what I got out of it too.

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I found a lot of it kind of maudlin. All this slow memory stirring as characters meet over and over, I felt like I was watching "Previously, on Lost..." recaps with characters smile-crying in the middle of them.

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Awwwww I thought it was cute. I mean Sawyer and Juliet. COME ON.

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I liked Kate's, "I saved you a bullet."

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Season 6 made me really like Kate, especially that part, and her "NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO BE A MOM CLAIRE STFU LETS GO." speech was ballin.

I don't get why people have a problem with what the Island is though. The Island is magic. For real. Like, come on. They've flat out said it before. Remember the "magic box"? Locke always used to be on about how it was a place where miracles happen and :bou::bou::bou::bou:. And then yeah, there was the whole cork deal. The Island is God! The source of life! Etc.! I was reading a review of the final episode that said something along the lines of "we can't explain god and life in reality so why would we expect them to be able to do it in a believable way on a tv show?" which I thought was pretty apt. And hey, I thought they did a pretty damn good job with the whole life/heaven/etc thing anyway.

I just rewatched it because I wanted to make sure it was as good as I thought it was and I wasn't just blinded by "omgggggg its ending" excitement. It was totally better the second time. Kate asking Jack if she would ever see him again is < / 3 when you knowwww they won't (until they're both dead). Omfgggg and Vincent coming to lay down beside Jack as he dies got me both times - oh the jears.

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I liked the touch of having close to every religion covered in the temple.

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noticed that too. i thought it was rad.

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Actually you make a good point by bringing up Walt. As far as characters goes, he has always been pretty damn important, playing a key role in the first two finales and appearing in the next two. Yet there's no mention of him ever again.

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What's funny is that the only reason they had Walt off in the first place was just because the kid was growing up so they needed him off the show unfortunately. Then because of fans they brought Walt back for like one episode. His powers or whatever just seem to have no explanation and can probably be just thrown out as an irrelevant storyline that the writers never had a plan for.

I'm happy with SOME questions not answered and a few plotlines left loose but they left a HELL of a lot unanswered as they force fed us cheap sentimental moments stolen from other shows & hoped we wouldn't notice.

It was a bull:bou::bou::bou::bou: way to end it.

Why was Richard not there at the nd? Or Eko? Daniel? Frank or Miles?

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Why was Richard not there at the nd? Or Eko? Daniel? Frank or Miles?

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Jack was never particularly close with these characters, maybe?

Forget that, why was Vincent not there with them in the Church? Doggies go to heaven too!

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Why was Richard not there at the nd? Or Eko? Daniel? Frank or Miles?

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Jack was never particularly close with these characters, maybe?

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The whole churcxh thing was not just about Jack, if it was that converasation outside between Ben & John wouldn't be there.

I really enjoyed the ending. Greatly executed in a way that Across the Sea really wasn't. I too was expecting more of an answer other than "the island is a cork that keeps in the evil", but was still very satisfied and ultimately came to the conclusion that whatever further explanation they could have come up with what exactly the 'evil' is would have been pretty corny (or MORE corny to some people).

On a little sidenote about some of the less relevant stuff:
Loved the fight between Jack and Locke but it was too short and shouldn't have ended with Kate shooting Locke. This was their fight. Also, the storm was awesome, it didn't need to be over so quickly.

I was surprised that the flash-sideways was their own purgatory. I was sure since a few episodes ago that it was a way for the characters to bleed to through to a more happy life (like Desmond thought in this ep!)
It was very good however and the fact that the end of the show is them all being dead is far from a cop-out.

Kinda sad that it's over.

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Why was Richard not there at the nd? Or Eko? Daniel? Frank or Miles?

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Jack was never particularly close with these characters, maybe?

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The whole churcxh thing was not just about Jack, if it was that converasation outside between Ben & John wouldn't be there.

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Maybe when Richard died he didn't need to let go like all the rest of the losties still did. He got a shortcut through to the other side without the in-between life in the way.

The answers are there and all the pieces have been layed our carefully if you can notice them now. The in-between world it isn't a cop out since they've been showing us the in-between world over the course of season 3.

I loved the fact that in the end Kate was the one who killed the big baddie of the show, if only because of the fuel it would add to the Kate Hate bonfire.

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I loved the fact that in the end Kate was the one who killed the big baddie of the show, if only because of the fuel it would add to the Kate Hate bonfire.

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Me too. Plus it's all nice with Kate being all "I have always been with you!" when they're on Penny's boat or w/e.

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satisfied and ultimately came to the conclusion that whatever further explanation they could have come up with what exactly the 'evil' is would have been pretty corny (or MORE corny to some people).
It was very good however and the fact that the end of the show is them all being dead is far from a cop-out.

Kinda sad that it's over.

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This!

The actor who played Eko allegedly wanted five times the amount he was offered to come back for the last episode so that's why he wasn't present probably.

And Daniel's mother did ask Desmond if he was going to take her son away, and he said no. Maybe because Daniel (like Ben) wasn't ready to move on yet.

No, Daniel never got the flashbacks or anything, while Ben did. Ben knows where to go when he's ready - he just wasn't ready yet. Richard, and others I imagine, will all move on when they feel the time is right. Daniel and Charlotte, for example - you know something is going to happen there, and when it does, I'm sure they'll move on someday, too. I think Desmond knew he didn't need to do anything there. For the most part, I guess I think Desmond took the people he wanted to go, not so much the people that Jack or anyone else wanted to go.

What I possibly loved about this episode more than anything is Hurley & Ben being "#1 and #2". That was just... kind of perfect, actually. I couldn't have scripted that scene better. Fantastic. It's about time that Ben got to have some kind of special status on the island and it's also a great idea to have Hurley be the "future #1" and for him to change the rules and make it about what's right rather than what's "sacred" or whatever.

I do wonder, though, what happened to the island in the distant future. Maybe there will be a sequel series with all-new characters! *runs*

I want to know what happened to Ji-Yun. They said they would address that.

Died in a car accident at the age of seventeen. Tragic.

i love all the little memes that have popped up because of this show

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As another discussion point, now it's all over looking back what were your favourite episodes from the whole show? I think my top five were, in no real order:

Through the Looking Glass
The Constant
The Long Con
The Shape of Things to Come
Expose (I just liked how cruel this one was to be honest)

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Died in a car accident at the age of seventeen. Tragic.

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Ji-Yeon & Aaron met and fell in love and were never separated like their parents were and lived happily ever after.

Yay! Aw man, it would have been so cool if that was part of a flash waaaaay forward at some point.

I totally wished I'd kept on watching this after Season One, Episode 4. :(

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As another discussion point, now it's all over looking back what were your favourite episodes from the whole show? I think my top five were, in no real order:

Through the Looking Glass
The Constant
The Long Con
The Shape of Things to Come
Expose (I just liked how cruel this one was to be honest)

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Exposé is definitely one of my favorites. It tied in well with previous episodes and was just fun in general :up:

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Originally Posted by charliepanayi

As another discussion point, now it's all over looking back what were your favourite episodes from the whole show? I think my top five were, in no real order:

Through the Looking Glass
The Constant
The Long Con
The Shape of Things to Come
Expose (I just liked how cruel this one was to be honest)

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Expose is up there. But I think that's a special episode, really :}~

The End because it was smurfing awesome.

S.O.S. because I love Rose and Bernard, especially the scene where Rose tells Bernard she's sick.

The Shape of Things to Come because it's smurfing awesome, and Alex's death was intense.

The Variable because Daniel Faraday was the best character D:

Lighthouse because it was awesome, and Jack's freakout was also awesome, and Jack is awesome.

A Tale of Two Cities because the flashbacks for Jack were smurfed.

Not in Portland and One of Us because Juliet. End of story. Juliet.

My favorite episode is The Other Woman, fo sho, though. Because Juliet. And Ben! And the creepy date. And the impaled Goodwin corpse. All crazy amounts of smurfery.

What a good show.

I really liked the ending. Anyone who'd read interviews with Lindelof and Cuse would've realised they wouldn't go into intense technical detail about what the island was - they specifically related to how they felt the devolution of the Force into "midichlorians" in the prequel trilogy of Star Wars was a bad move, and I agree. Having the island still be somewhat mysterious makes a lot more sense than explaining every last detail, because life is mysterious.

I think the finale was almost as well executed as it could have been, given the circumstances. My main disappointment was not seeing Mr. Eko, but I guess that's understandable.

As for my favourite episodes, I'll have to think and come up with a list.

Yeah, Expose was pretty awesome.

I've no idea why y'all are saying "Expose." I hated that episode, and thought outside of "Fire + Water" and "Stranger in a Strange Land" it was the worst episode of the series.

My favorite episodes:

"Walkabout"
"The Man Behind the Curtain"
"Through the Looking Glass"
"The Constant"
"The Shape of Things to Come"
"The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"
"Ab Aeterno"
"The End"

I can understand why one would hate Fire+Water, but I never really understood why Stranger in a Strange Land got such a bad rep. I thought it was okay.

Why I liked Expose:

Two annoying characters introduced to the show seemingly as a replacement for the equally annoying Boone and Shannon. Nobody likes them much. Writers realise this and so bump them off in a hilariously cruel way (and show plenty of self-awareness as they go about it, with Sawyer constantly asking who they are). Plus I liked how it was plotted (similar to The Long Con).

Out of curiosity, maybe it's slipped my mind or something, but did we ever find out what was going on when John and then later on Hurley found Jacob's shed?

The shed was apparently inhabited by Jacob at one point, but he hadn't been there for quite some time. The implication was that Smokey had been using it.

This commentary was apparently written by a Bad Robot employee. I found it fairly enlightening.

The Ben episodes were also my favorite episodes. I don't know the titles offhand.

Did the man in Black not say the flash in the shed was him? Think he did. It waas him manipulating Ben all those years.

I cried my heart out when Vincent laid down beside jack, he didn't die alone and he didn't pass on alone, harks back to the "live together or die alone" (is that right) speech from s1.

OMG YAY FRANK, you da man

Sawyer and Juliet was epic! but it was Sayid and Shannon that made me grin, cos i thought they had dropped that pairing but they were together again.

Dan and Charlotte, too short but very sweet, Its the lil looks they give each other that always made me love them, I'm sure that once they had the time together that they were denied they will get to move on too, Maybe with Frank (altho he didn't turn up in the flashsideways i'm sure he will eventually) and Miles.

Can't help but feel sorry for flashsideways Miles, his true love has past on and he went with Juliet. He's gunna go to work and be heartbroken when James doesn't come in lol.

Kate won me over in the finale her line about "I missed you so much" is pretty poignant, I took it to mean she lived a good long time after Jack :(. So pleased they were together in the end, up till s4 i was tottally "skate" and "jacket", but Jack and Kate were meant to be, as were Sawyer and Juliet, she finally made him grow up.

Wish i felt more about Claire and Charlie tho, i loved them and it was touching but it didn't get to me as much as the others.

All in all it was beautiful but heartachingly sad, and I totally called the last scene being Jack lying on the floor and his eyes close

i loved it, but i found myself thinking when it turned out the sideways was all purgatory or whatever and that these characters had all found eachother because it was the most important time of their lives or whatever thinking "well hold on.. some of these people never even met and some of them were only alive on the island for a few weeks.. why is it all so important?"

its like.. the main story line was what i was interested in, but they made the flashsideways/purgatory, that we had only a 1 out of 6 seasons to know the most important part of it, and for what? so they could all meet and move on together... when some of the main characters there probably went on to live long full lives that we never got to see, who knows what happened to them, why do we care if they all got to meet up?

sorry thats written really badly, but i dunno how to word it properly. anyway, despite that i did love it, just the purgatory ending made me sad/confused/and a bit ...right okay all in one

Maybe there lives weren't so great, I mean after everything they went through (the ones that survive). Nothing as special as surviving on a magical island could have happened.

I mean, for example, maybe Kate and Sawyer got together in the orginal timeline, maybe not but we don't know, its left open. But if they did they didn't love each other as much as they did Jack and Juliet. What matters is they are all united by what happened to them.
The only survivors of the original timeline at the church were Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Claire, Dess and Penny, and they all were very close with their dead friends.
Hurley had lost Libby his love and Charlie his best friend
Claire gets to be with Kate, aaron and Chawlie
Sawyer back with juliet who he lost
Kate back with Jack who she lost
and Des and Pen obviously would be together when they died, and Des and Jack had a special kind of love, Des and Pen had a connection with Chawlie

all the others died before the end so the island was the best part of their life anyway

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Did the man in Black not say the flash in the shed was him? Think he did. It waas him manipulating Ben all those years.

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Yes, I thought this was pretty well implied. Esp. with Ben's line about his closet: "this is where I thought I was summoning the smoke monster but it turns out he was summoning me" or whatever.

Forgive me if I glanced over it, but does anyone know where to find a list of the manifest that shows what their destiny on the island is? Apparently some of the things on it were like: "Jack: To take Jacob's place. Kate: To kill the Man in Black" Apparently it's an app on the iPhone :confused:

This is the first I've heard of it.

Just posting to clarify that the above link I posted wasn't, as the lostpedia thread claimed (and I assumed), written by a Bad Robot employee, but by an ex-employee of ABC who hasn't worked with them for awhile. Also now that I've gone over it again there are a couple of inaccuracies in it, though I'd say it's still somewhat enlightening.

LOST Bonus 12-14 Minute Epilogue Will Be Released on DVD | /Film

Could be interesting, could be very uninformative, or could just infuriate some people still further :D

The Hurley & Ben Show will

A) Answer no questions whatsoever
B) Be the best thing

I can just see it now:

'This is another fine mess you've got me into Ben'
*crying* 'I'm sorry Hurley...'

I never watched this show before, but I hear ya'll ended up with what equates to a six-year Rick Roll. I lol'd.

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I never watched this show before, but I hear ya'll ended up with what equates to a six-year Rick Roll. I lol'd.

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We didn't, sorry ;)

Don't worry, I forgive you.

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I never watched this show before, but I hear ya'll ended up with what equates to a six-year Rick Roll. I lol'd.

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Nope i watched from Day one and the ending fitted pretty perfectly, you heard wrong or from a source with unrealistic expectations :)

Well, from what I heard, I would've hated it. Those kinds of endings make me throw things. I guess it makes sense since supposedly the rest of the entire show didn't make sense. I'm sure I would've liked it if I had watched it but, after reading about how they ended it, I'm glad I didn't 'cause I would be one of the people really, really unhappy. xP

If you watched the entire show besides the finale you wouldn't hate it...After seeing the finale you might be a little disappointed but the journey to the finale would have made you love the show.

The show made sense, you just have to go with it. Its a sci-fi show after all. You'd have to be pretty dense to not be able to follow it.

It took about an hour for the finale to sink in for me but when it did I thought it was pretty perfect.

Amongst the many running themes was the notion of science vs faith and love, the finale played on that. I think it was done very well it was sad but at the same time very beautiful. It was about (amongst many things) being lost without the people you love and when you find them again you are ready to move on.

Jack and gangs journey had finally ended.

Ben is probably still coming to terms with everything, he was pretty complicated

Daniel and Charlotte are at the very beginning of coming to terms with it, but aren't ready yet. At first I was a little surprised that Desmond wasn't going to take Daniel with him, seeing as he was taking Penny, Dan's sister. But thinking back to series 4 and 5 the only person that mattered to Daniel was Charlotte and the only person that mattered to Charlotte was Daniel. They were always a little removed from the other group so it makes sense.

Then I thought about Miles and it was a bit cold he didn't get to go with Sawyer who he was very close to. i guess he just wasn't ready yet, also Miles, He mentioned he had a girlfriend but we don't get to see who it was. He lived on after the island so maybe he found something more important or maybe its Niaomi and all the freighties can go together?

Eloise is particularly interesting as she know but doesn't. want it to be over yet.

Ana Lucia looks like she has a way to go.

Sure there are answers left unanswered, but it doesn't really matter.

It was a woeful ending and you're all being fooled by sentiment.

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It was a woeful ending and you're all being fooled by sentiment.

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Or maybe those of us who liked it actually liked it?

Actually, your not-at-all patronising answer is clearly the correct one.

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It was a woeful ending and you're all being fooled by sentiment.

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Thats actually quite rude. You saying we can't make up our own minds. I'm an intelligent individual who is perfectly capable of forming my own opinions Thank you very much :P

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It was a woeful ending and you're all being fooled by sentiment.

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Naw, sir. I stopped expecting answers somewhere in season 3. I wanted a character driven finale and I got one. It was great.

ALSO, the idea that Kate lived for another 50 years or whatever without Jack is pretty much the most heart breaking thing ever.

Ever.

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It was a woeful ending and you're all being fooled by sentiment.

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I'm only quoting this post to make it four in a row, but on topic I will say I agree with you, though how you interpret the ending is subjective based on how you viewed the show.

I'm right all your opinions are wrong and that's the end of the matter. Now if you'll excuse me I have eggs to polish.

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If you watched the entire show besides the finale you wouldn't hate it...After seeing the finale you might be a little disappointed but the journey to the finale would have made you love the show.

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I'm the exception to this, apparently. I loved the series as a whole, I've watched it from the beginning multiple times, and I hated the finale. HATED it. The only part, for me, that made it worth watching was VINCENT!!! and the Sayid and Shannon reunion.

Seriously. The whole time I was just sitting there WTFing. I am so beyond disappointed. The CORK? The magic light? The-water-makes-you-Jacob? Seriously? Was this the plan from season one? SERIOUSLY?

Also, I'm not a Kate hater at all and the fact that the Sawyer and Kate relationship was basically not even MENTIONED pissed me off a LOT. Jack and Kate together makes me nauseous.

One thing I don't get is Jack's son. How does he exist if it's, like, purgatory? It doesn't make sense to me.

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Originally Posted by ShlupQuack

I never watched this show before, but I hear ya'll ended up with what equates to a six-year Rick Roll. I lol'd.

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YES. :(

You hated the ending (fair enough) but thought the Sayid-Shannon reunion was one of the only highpoints? That was the one really rubbish pairing throughout the whole of Lost! (OK, Sawyer and Ana Lucia's one time fling as well was stupid)

Also this is great:
If Lucasarts Had Made A Lost Game...In 1987...

I think Lost has sparked the same controversy as FF8. Gotta love it or hate it.

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Originally Posted by ShlupQuack

Well, from what I heard, I would've hated it. Those kinds of endings make me throw things. I guess it makes sense since supposedly the rest of the entire show didn't make sense. I'm sure I would've liked it if I had watched it but, after reading about how they ended it, I'm glad I didn't 'cause I would be one of the people really, really unhappy. xP

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Seriously. You can't play up the mysteries as a significant part of the point of the show and then cop out and say "It's all about the characters". The show wouldn't have made it to season 2 if it hadn't been for the numbers, the hatch, the polar bear, the smoke monster, Rousseau, the Others, Jack seeing his dead father, all that stuff. There were a lot of great and interesting characters on the show, but really, I stopped watching once I accepted that there were never going to be any answers. And once they killed Rousseau.

Midichlorians is a crap comparison because the Force was sufficiently explained, coherent, and understandable that it didn't need an explanation like that, and to give it one devalued it. That is, Star Wars works without it, and the whys and wherefores didn't need to be answered.

You cite things like the polar bear, Jack seeing his father, the smoke monster - a lot of these things are explained through, at least partially. There are some answers, but whether you're happy with the ones there were (and what is left open) is a rather subjective area. And it's pretty much the factor that's split people into 'love' or 'hate' camps.

And the Force is 'sufficiently explained, coherent, and understandable'? It's one of the vaguest concepts going (in what it actually is) in the original trilogy.

That said, I'll say again it was annoying that Whidmore was such a red herring - no respect at all for Jim Robinson there :(

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Originally Posted by charliepanayi

You cite things like the polar bear, Jack seeing his father, the smoke monster - a lot of these things are explained through, at least partially.

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That wasn't the point he was making. The point was were it not for the mysteries surrounding those things the show wouldn't have made it past the first season, which is absolutely true frankly.

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

Seriously. You can't play up the mysteries as a significant part of the point of the show and then cop out and say "It's all about the characters". The show wouldn't have made it to season 2 if it hadn't been for the numbers, the hatch, the polar bear, the smoke monster, Rousseau, the Others, Jack seeing his dead father, all that stuff. There were a lot of great and interesting characters on the show, but really, I stopped watching once I accepted that there were never going to be any answers. And once they killed Rousseau.

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Yeah, this is what bugs me - it's not just about the characters, it never has been, it's always been about the crazy mystery stuff as WELL as the characters (don't get me wrong, I realise that it's a very character driven show and that's one of the best things about it) - for the writers to now be saying 'it's a character study, the answers don't matter' is just balls. It just makes me think they never had any bloody answers in the first place.

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Seriously. You can't play up the mysteries as a significant part of the point of the show and then cop out and say "It's all about the characters". The show wouldn't have made it to season 2 if it hadn't been for the numbers, the hatch, the polar bear, the smoke monster, Rousseau, the Others, Jack seeing his dead father, all that stuff. There were a lot of great and interesting characters on the show, but really, I stopped watching once I accepted that there were never going to be any answers. And once they killed Rousseau.

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Yeah, this is what bugs me - it's not just about the characters, it never has been, it's always been about the crazy mystery stuff as WELL as the characters (don't get me wrong, I realise that it's a very character driven show and that's one of the best things about it) - for the writers to now be saying 'it's a character study, the answers don't matter' is just balls. It just makes me think they never had any bloody answers in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Vivi22

The point was were it not for the mysteries surrounding those things the show wouldn't have made it past the first season, which is absolutely true frankly.

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I totally agree. As much as I love the show, it would never have survived as (as the writers are citing it now) a simple 'character study' of these people on an island.

I think there's a distinction to be made here - in my opinion the final episode was about the characters, that doesn't mean the whole final season was. They tried to deal with some of the mythology there (albeit in a way that still threw up questions), it's just that by then they'd left Dharma/The Others/any SF elements behind to focus on Jacob and his brother. And by just making the last episode a character piece it made the ending more moving for me.

And I have to disagree with some of what's being said, yes of course the mysteries were part of what kept me watching, but so were the characters. If the entire show had been populated by Shannon-clones I wouldn't have made it past episode one. Sawyer and Hurley alone made the show 50% more watchable.

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And I have to disagree with some of what's being said, yes of course the mysteries were part of what kept me watching, but so were the characters. If the entire show had been populated by Shannon-clones I wouldn't have made it past episode one. Sawyer and Hurley alone made the show 50% more watchable.

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I don't think anyone has at any point suggested that the characters weren't important.

None of this discussion really matters because we're all actually in purgatory right now trying to learn to let go and imagining stories for each other even though we're complete strangers.

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You hated the ending (fair enough) but thought the Sayid-Shannon reunion was one of the only highpoints? That was the one really rubbish pairing throughout the whole of Lost! (OK, Sawyer and Ana Lucia's one time fling as well was stupid)

Also this is great:
If Lucasarts Had Made A Lost Game...In 1987...

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That Ana Lucia/Sawyer thing was so stupid, but it would have made sense if she had been the one to go out with him in the flash sideways and have it go down the way it did. Using the previously socially stunted Charlotte for that was a really dumb idea. I think she spoke to Sawyer like once in the island timeline and that was just to yell at him for daring to touch Daniel. The Ana Lucia and Sawyer thing not working out would have been a nice call back to a scene that made zero sense in the first place and given it a little credability

come on guuuys lets talk about lost some more, its been a week and no one has said anything!! wasnt this ending supposed to be interpreted and discussed for time to come?

oh wait except it completely sucked and theres nothing to discuss.. sorry carry on about your business

It's just a show, not much really to discuss when it's over...

Apart from how great Frank is. Could talk about that forever. :love:

I prefer the name George over Frank for the polar bear.

Forget that I just remembered who Frank is <3

http://www.geekforcefive.com/images/...aste_frank.jpg

I was so glad when Frank showed up again in the finale. Richard too. I suspected neither of them was actually dead but it was nice to have confirmation.

If you like Frank, I think you should watch Psycho 3. ;)

http://www.cinemaxasia.com/images/po...psycho_iii.jpg

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If you like Frank, I think you should watch Psycho 3. ;)

http://www.cinemaxasia.com/images/po...psycho_iii.jpg

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ooohhh i've always been strangely attracted to Frank, I think its those eyes

He's in The Lawnmower Man too, though that's terrible!

He's also in this upcoming movie called Machete, which looks pretty god damn badass and also has Ana-Lucia and Hurley's dad in it.

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If you like Frank, I think you should watch Psycho 3. ;)

http://www.cinemaxasia.com/images/po...psycho_iii.jpg

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ooohhh i've always been strangely attracted to Frank, I think its those eyes

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If it's not the eyes, then it might possibly be everything else about him. I wouldn't mind looking like that!

http://www.feoamante.com/Movies/Psyc...es/P3Fahey.jpg