Mafia XXI History Edition Game Thread Day 1: 21st Century Beatdown

Well Shaka old bean, I am glad you asked. I judge by people's actions ahead of my results. And I find Simon's actions to be nothing but harmful to the town.

Time for the finale!

You and Liz are the same god damn person. Or rather, one of you is telling the other how to make posts. How do I know?

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Originally Posted by [M] Simon Bolivar

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Originally Posted by [M] Queen Elizaebth

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Originally Posted by [M] Simon Bolivar

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Originally Posted by [M] Queen Elizaebth

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English, mothersmurfer, do you speak it? Incidentally here is a lovely article about alots you may find fascinating. :)

Now, what are the smurfing odds that two totally unrelated people would come up with the same inane and illogical reasons to lynch me? (Nobody else in the town agreed with them) And what are the chances they would make the same basic spelling mistakes? Seriously, everybody here, read the smurfing posts and examine the writing style. Look at their utter disrespect for the apostrophe and tell me they're not the same person!

There's two conclusions. One is that we have a Mafia III situation on our hands, which, for those of you who don't remember, Slowpoke hacked other mafia accounts and posted from them and found out their roles. Unlikely but you never know.

So I'll tell you what's going on here. You're in a private forum together. One of you, I don't know which but I will assume it is you, is typing out posts for the other to post. I can think of three scenarios when groups get private forums, and two of those aint good. And seeing as how you've already roleclaimed and have not said you have access to a private forum, there is no reason to believe you are town. I'd be surprised if there is a cult but you never know. What I think you are is mafia.

I would love some thoughts on what I think of Simon, particularly this shared use of accounts or whatever. Whether or not you think I'm scum, folks, you gotta admit there is something shady going on there.

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Originally Posted by [M] Shaka Zulu

Three guilty shots in a row and I am one of them? Either you are a liar or a titty cop, Catherine.

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Unlike as it is Shaka, I still believe you to be guilty. With all the fringe players dropping like flies, scum have to be within the most active players so that's, in terms of the whole game between you & Catherine. If somehow she does get lynched I'm 100% postive you are guilty. With very little to go on in thismostly quiet game I turn to my gut & experience of past games.

The double voter scum was in Dynasty Warrior's mafia

The unlike part of from my above post refers to Catherine being cop 2 in case that isn't clear

I believe there are 3-4 mafia. And I think Simon, Elizabeth and Shaka certainly make up three of those mafia, although for reasons outlined above, Simon is definitely #1 on my list.

Isabella hasn't really posted enough for me to get a read on. Gandhi seems to be town although I would definitely love some reasoning for his vote on me. I'm really seeing how the rest of you react to what I am saying before I have an inkling as to who the fourth (if there is one) mafia member is. What about the rest of you? Remember - there's more than one of the bastards out there! Our job is not done even if I am right and Simon is scum.

I think I am going to die from mafia nightkill tonight, so I will try to post some thoughts on who the fourth member is before I die.

Do I think there are two cops? I don't know. Saladin coming out as a cop has certainly shaken my faith in my results so far. It could be that I am paranoid. Remember that the mafia have been winning so far, and we haven't had a vanilla townie. It is likely that they have some seriously useful roles at their disposal - so that could very well mean town roles who help the mafia, eg Bomb or Beloved Princess, or indeed fake cops. My results are not what guide me at present (although they were a useful indicator) I let my own opinions on how people act lead the way. I've given my reasons for claiming and they make sense.

ALEXANDER! What do you think of my case on Simon? You seem to be an intelligent player and I'd appreciate your input on it, sir. Thank you.

Now while I am frothing at Catherine's insinuations, I can admit she has a point when she says Alexander has done little beyond outing our Cop. This juicy quote underlines my suspicions Alexander might not ever go after Catherine seriously.

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Originally Posted by [M] Alexander The Great

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Originally Posted by [M] Catherine the Great

##vote: Saladin

Nothing personal but I know I'm not scum and while I think you're not, I don't know for sure what you are. So it's rather you than me and it's unfortunate that we've been put in this position. :monster:

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Let this not be taken as me defending you Catherine but I agree with you. But let it be known that if Saladin flips town you might make yourself prime suspect in the eyes of some

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Also note we haven't seen Elizabeth in a loooooong time. With all this talk of active players being suspicious, I know I'd keep my head down if I was mafia.

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Originally Posted by [M] Alexander The Great

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Originally Posted by [M] Shaka Zulu

Three guilty shots in a row and I am one of them? Either you are a liar or a titty cop, Catherine.

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Unlike as it is Shaka, I still believe you to be guilty. With all the fringe players dropping like flies, scum have to be within the most active players so that's, in terms of the whole game between you & Catherine. If somehow she does get lynched I'm 100% postive you are guilty. With very little to go on in thismostly quiet game I turn to my gut & experience of past games.

The double voter scum was in Dynasty Warrior's mafia

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What is up with this double-voting reference? I have no voting restrictions.

As regards Simon, I've learned from past games (namely the horrible double voter scum incident) that just because a player has a limited voting capacity doesn't mean they are definitely innocent. If you think in terms of the roles town have lost already, namely last nights victim, was a priest. A priest cannot cast the lynching vote.

Why is this relevant do I think? It stands to reason in any mafia game for every role on the town side there is a corresponding role on the mafia side eg cop/doctor - roleblocker. Since town already had a limited voter on our side ie the priest I am going to venture a guess that Simon's role is that of a limited scum voter.

You'll probably say I'm grasping at straws but look at Simon's behaviour in this game so far. He revealed his role at a time when he was in no danger of a lynch & did so mainly due to pressure from Catherine. Having played quite a few of these games now I believe that if Simon were indeed a limited townie voter he would of kept his role to himself unless his head was on the chopping block so it where because the last thing a townie in his position would want to do is let scum know his role is limited, especially if he wanted town to win.

You know what Catherine, open season on Simon, Shaka you can wait.

##Unvote: [M] Shaka Zulu
##Vote : [M] Simon Bolivar

The other part to take away from that quote is the idea that the flow of the game has somehow been controlled by me or Catherine. We have been inches away from lynching instigated by the other, and I can still almost hear the the disappointed sighs of the mafia when I backed down from that confrontation.

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Originally Posted by [M] Shaka Zulu

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Originally Posted by [M] Alexander The Great

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Originally Posted by [M] Shaka Zulu

Three guilty shots in a row and I am one of them? Either you are a liar or a titty cop, Catherine.

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Unlike as it is Shaka, I still believe you to be guilty. With all the fringe players dropping like flies, scum have to be within the most active players so that's, in terms of the whole game between you & Catherine. If somehow she does get lynched I'm 100% postive you are guilty. With very little to go on in thismostly quiet game I turn to my gut & experience of past games.

The double voter scum was in Dynasty Warrior's mafia

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What is up with this double-voting reference? I have no voting restrictions.

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It's being used to reference to Simon ie that a person with a certain voting conditions could be on either side town or scum

I am glad you agree with me Alexander. His actions in revealing his role don't make much sense. I still think there is something foul at play with the identical posting style between him and Elizabeth.

Shaka I am also fairly certain you are in with Simon, although Elizabeth moreso than you. So I'd love to hear your views on what we've said!

I think Simon's claim was an interesting one precisely because it announces something that becomes more and more useless as the game progresses. He can lynch women, and thus his only targets are Catherine, Elizabeth, and Isabella.

This means that I, as a guy, along with Alexander, Ghengis, Gandhi, and Tokugawa are safe from Simon. If all the ladies were to die, he would be a lump on a stick.

So the idea on him is that if the scum includes a majority of male roles, they will want him end-game. If our scum happens to be the last three of the girls, he is everything they do not want because he will pursue them to the ends of this thread.

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Originally Posted by [M] Shaka Zulu

This means that I, as a guy, along with Alexander, Ghengis, Gandhi, and Tokugawa are safe from Simon. If all the ladies were to die, he would be a lump on a stick.

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The maybe he is lying then or his role has some rules he hasn't disclosed like say he can only vote for women until they're all dead?

It is interesting to note that the first two mafia kills were male. The first kill since his roleclaim - and since we knew he would not want females dead - was a female.

I'm going to read through the entire thread now, all 415 posts! Firstly for the fond memories, of course, but to see if anything screams out at me. It's good to get some perspective on past events once you have an idea what some of the deceased players' roles were. I'll still be flicking back to this end page periodically though to see what's been going on here, so I'm open to questions or discussion.

If there are no modifiers on his role's restrictions, he basically becomes a stump after the women are gone. This assists the mafia because he cannot help his town lynch any suspects.

If you are going to do that, please focus on players that have flown just under the radar. Gandhi, Tokugawa, and Genghis are the three that come to mind. They are active, but not so vocal.

Well, I just got done reading through all 400+ posts. Simon did accuse Catherine of voting Gandhi, but she didn't do that. In fact, she was busy pursuing Shaka, whom she claims she investigated that night and was told he was guilty. She said that Gandhi was on her radar but she has never gone after him and this morning she states she believes him innocent. Another point against Simon is that Joan felt Elizabeth and he were suspicious, and since it has been proven that she was Town, I am still inclined to go with her instincts. Finally, Alexander makes some very valid points against Simon concerning him as well, especially the point about his role claim being early and unnecessary. So I am inclined to believe that Simon and Elizabeth are Mafia, posting just enough to point fingers at the most active player in the game and lying low to see how it all plays out.

##Vote: Simon Bolivar

If I didn't know any better I'd say you were getting a bit hot under the collar/necklace of teeth? There are definitely mafia against the inactive but the most dangerous mafia up until now are those in plain site, directing the game as they fit which is either you or Catherine.

Simon on the other hand is hiding something & maybe by explaining how useless he could potential be is this you trying to save your scum buddy from the lynch?

Look, I hate to say this, but not voting for Simon is voting for Hitler. I am glad that there are other people who seem to agree.

##VOTE: Simon Bolivar

##Vote: Simon Bolivar

You're scum. You have to be.

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Originally Posted by [M] Jesus

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Catherine, Alexander, Genghis, Shaka and Tokaguwa make that 5. I'll leave the thread closed 'til the moderator gets here to post flavour. :)

Simon Bolivar was cornered. "I didn't do anything! Please, you have to understand!"

Catherine put her knee on a chair, revealing excellently delicious fishnet tights. "I must say, sirs, there seems to be a...scum on the loose," he said menacingly in her thick yet beautiful Russian accent.

Genghis Khan pulled a sword and stated fiercely, "Indeed, we must eliminate him!"

Tokugawa bowed and stated, "With all due respect, my opponent, your time has come, Mr. Bolivar."

Shaka Zulu prepared his spear and faced Simon, "Yes, I do believe it is time we take things over from now on." With that, Shaka impaled Simon Bolivar in the throat, killing him. He wiped the blood of his weapon, turned around, and announced: "It seems there's a little problem with the management on this place. You may be some of the greatest people to ever walk the earth, but we, the Mafia, are the greatest to ever live!" Cheers abound from the four villains as the world slipped into chaos...

[M] Simon Bolivar was a Misogynistic Townie played by KaiserDragon. Thanks for playing

Mafia Wins! Woo!

Your beloved quartet:

[M] Catherine the Great-Prostitute played by Freya and Psychotic.

[M] Genghis Khan-Mafia Framer played by Jentleness.

[M] Tokugawa Ieyasu-Mafia Mason played by Justy.

[M] Shaka Zulu-Godfather played by Jentleness.

The losers:

[M] Gandhi- Mason played by chionos.

[M] Alexander the Great-Bulletproof Mason played by Genius Lynx.

[M] Queen Isabella-Perceptive Roleblocker played by f f freak.

[M] Queen Elizabeth-[Cop played by KaiserDragon as well.