It's what happenes when Future Esthar's theories are compared to the theory of evolution.
It's bound to be controversial. :eep:
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It's what happenes when Future Esthar's theories are compared to the theory of evolution.
It's bound to be controversial. :eep:
wait...tell me how that strain got from one strand to another. if it was that frederick guy and the oswald guy then that was just an experiment and does not provide any proof for evolution cuz that wouldn't have happened naturally and that is not part of evolution. what u say about the small changes in DNA is true. that is what i said. natural selection is what causes these changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by BG-57
actually, we use all of our DNA. we use each part of information on it to make who we are. every organism has the same number of codes on their DNA. so we pretty much have the same genes just really different information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnislash07
This should really be moved to evc forums(kidding):D :D :D
It´s impossible to give proofs of my theories.
If one can not even find them for R=U and Squall=Laguna+Raine´s sun (SLR) theories how can we find for my more farfetched ones?
A more detailed explanation:
Griffith found smooth cells caused pneumonia in mice. The rough strain of the same species didn't. After heating cultures of smooth cells over flame to kill them, they no longer caused infections. But rough cells that were incubated with heat killed smooth cells eventually included cells that were smooth and capable of causing pneumonia. He suggested some factors were crossing from the dead smooth cells to the living rough cells. He couldn't pin down what factor it was though.
Avery picked up years later with the same setup, but using two batches of dead smooth/living rough cells; one batch with enzymes that destroyed protein, fats, and sugars, the other that destroyed just DNA. When the DNA was destroyed, transformation did not occur. When the molecules other than DNA were destroyed, transformation occured. The implication was that DNA from the dead smooth cells crossed through the cell membranes of the rough cells.
Mechanisms by which DNA can cross between bacterial cells is now well documented.
I was not suggesting that transformation is evolution, but it is a way for organisms to get new DNA and genes.
I have never agreed with you more. Well, except for SLR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Dante the demon prince: Do not tell any member on this site to shut up or call them a dumb ass. You are getting a warning for the posts that you have made in this thread.
Anyone elso who posts in this thread to diss or insult or flame will also be getting a warning.
FE: I suggest you start to back up your claims or your threads will start to get closed.
No parts of our DNA are selected to be used to contruct us not the entire thing. Thats why we look similar to primates but not exactly, we have the same DNA we just use different parts of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heero Yuy NWZC
You said there was proof through your binary/ quasi association method ( i think i said it right:rolleyes2 ). Well... Where is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
The R=U has no proof.
But the Squall = Laguna's son has surpringly lots of evidence:
1. Kiro's comment to Squall about him looking like his Mother
2. Laguna has the Squall Triple Triad Card...kinda suspicious...
3. Raine died around the same time Squall's Mother did, another "coincidence".
There are others but those are the main ones. I'm not saying I believe it, but there IS very strong evidence supporting this theory.
The R = U has zero evidence, as does FE's theories...FE how about giving us some in game evidence supporting your stand like the example above. We would then understand a little...well maybe not...But anyway. how bout it? SOUNDS GREAT! :D
How do you know when Squall´s mother died?Quote:
Raine died around the same time Squall's Mother did, another "coincidence".
I am sure there were lots of woman on FF8 who looks like Squall.Quote:
Kiro's comment to Squall about him looking like his Mother
Ma Dincht also has Zell´s card.That´s because she meet him.Quote:
Laguna has the Squall Triple Triad Card...kinda suspicious...
Maybe Squall´s parents lived on Winhill and meet Laguna.No one can say it didn´t happen.
So these things prove nothing.
yes, every part of our DNA is used to make us. we look similar to primates because they have similar information contained on their DNA. oh and FE, don't be so ignorant. u know that the evidence he gave is pretty reasonable. Kiros wouldn't hae made that comment unless if he knew who Squall's mother was very well, and the only female u see in the game that Kiros ever actually has a conversation with is Raine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnislash07
I cant really remember about the whole DNA thing cause its been a few years since Bio II but im pretty sure there was something about how part of the DNA strand is just useless information. But im not sure so think what you want. We really should move the whole evolution thing to a new thread if we are gonna keep talkin about it.
Ma Dincht has Zell's card because he was adopted by her not just because they met one time. So it stands to reason that if Zell's mom has his card then Squall's dad would have his because his mom is dead.Quote:
Ma Dincht also has Zell´s card.That´s because she meet him.
i don't think we can make an evolution thread unless if it deals with FF. also, i agree with Omnislash and Noj_R on the whole thing.
Of course.But she isn´t his mom.Quote:
Ma Dincht has Zell's card because he was adopted by her not just because they met one time.
As I said,Laguna might have meet Squall´s father on Winhill.
I think JUlia was a queen on Ulti´s castle.
I say that because we see a picture of a queen with black hair and red clothes on the castle.
That alone was a better evidence to my theory than the ones to support Squall=L+R.
I used the binary association method on this case.
u only had one example of evidence and that is a coincidence unless if they said in the game(which they didn't). and he knows that Ma Dincht isn't Zell's mom because he said she adopted her. And u can't say that Laguna could have met Squall's father as an excuse because there is no proof, but there is evidence that laguna can be his father.
Raine died when Laguna went looking for Ellone she died. Julia was already married to Callaway when this happened, Rinoa was probably already born. I'm assuming that 17 years ago this happened because Rinoa ( and Squall ) were babies...Squall also states that his parents died when he was young ( he was orphaned after all )...Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Really, I didnt see any who resembled Squall ::coughRainecough:: Kiros knew Raine personally and evidence points toward this being the reason for his comment. I believe he mentions something about his father too, but I cant remember. Most of this is off the top of my head...Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Prove nothing eh? At least I presented evidence, your one to talk about proving nothing :mad: Laguna never says anything about Squall's parents, Kiros did. I didnt say I believed it, I was presenting some evidence for a theory like you should be doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
4. The moogle smelled Squall's blood and said "Laguna!" hmm...Parents and children share the same DNA...:eep:
Im not pressing anything, but like I said earlier, you should be the one presenting evidence for your theories since your thread is about YOUR theories...
What part? Where did the monkeys come from if we evolved from monkeys? They didnt start as monkeys, they must have evolved too according to your guy's theory?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heero Yuy NWZC
So you are saying that if I post evidence as good as the ones behind SLR you would be convinced (or nearly convinced)?
don't u mean moomba?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noj_R
what are u talking about? i just said that if they made a thread on evolution it should have to deal with FF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noj_R
Of courese! The reason no one believes you is that you NEVER post any explanations to your theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Even the admins shut down your threads because we all gang up on you, the reason we do is because you fail to present ANY evidence. Its always another thread another theory except you dont work on the ones you already started.
So...We are all giving you a chance to defend your theories now, gow for it!:)
EDIT: Oh yeah, it was a moomba...Too much FF:CC, I hate that game...
Actually you could put it in the General Forums. The stuff in there doesnt have to be FF related. I think i saw one about religion in there or it could have been in the Eyes on Each Other forums. Either way you could probably post the evolution thread in either of those. Im not gonna do it cause i really dont care what other people think on the subject but if anyone else wants to go ahead.
Thanks.I will do.I already started.
Let me just finish FF8 to put some screenshots.
I lost the saved games when I upgraded my O.S.
I meant that the evolution thread could be put there. Not your proof. Put your proof here because this is where we are talking about it. You dont need to make an entirely new thread to post your proof.
okay im gonna say this one....more.....time.....THEY ARE NOT RELATED!!! there is no timeline there is no "sons of tidus" or any other ff character (except wakka) so just leave the damn theories alone!!!
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Originally Posted by omegaweapon2005
dude, chill out
people are entitled to believe what they want, and by you typing your opinion repeatedly and in capitals isnt going to change that
i know it just infuriates me when ppl come out with obviously wrong "theories" that make no sense and are just COMPLETELY impossible such as the "relation" between the ff games!
Ok, I do not think that it is worth wasting my time on this anymore. The post is as empty as my stomach. Message me if this will start making sense.
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Originally Posted by omegaweapon2005
haha i completley disagree with them being related too :greenie: There does seem to be a huge lack of anything that supports these theories (well......anything given so far doesn't support their theories much in my opinion) If their was something which made me go "hmmmm that's makes sense" i'd at least give them credit even if i didn't change my view :greenie:
maxgrin this will never start making sense :)
I was replying to Noj_R
Sounds good :) , looking forward to some real stuff...Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Ok i am NOT going to read five more pages of this. Look, the storylines are ALL different (with the exceptions of DoC and FFX-2). Yes, there will be some simalarities among the games, seeing as they are made by the same company, and are part of the same series, but the characters are different, the worlds are different (though shaped similarly), and the cultures are different. Accept it.
You were right about the year though, I'll give you that.
Um...aren't we getting just a teensy bit off-topic?
Can´t the same company made tottaly different games?If they were similar it´s because they are the same world after geological disasters.People somehow forgot memory between the games.
There are some similarities in the world map of each game, the GF names, Chocobos (like the kind of greens), the money name, items and magic...
The world landscape is marked after some big collapse or something like that... it's possible that all the Final Fantasy series can be connected. Or maybe I am wrong...
That´s it
Nay, it isn't. You can have FF:SE, our world in hightech era, connected with FFV, where you have chocobos, magic and demons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Was it something that I just said? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
what is FF:SE?
My pardon, FF:SW it is. Spirits Within, the film.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
I don´t see where this contradicts what Soul Hunter saidQuote:
You can have FF:SE, our world in hightech era, connected with FFV, where you have chocobos, magic and demons.
Well in the FF7 Advent Children there wasn't Chocobos, but it doesn't mean that they aren't there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinenshire
As for those FF V and the FF SW are mentioned the high tech time, like the FFX before the big war between Zanarkand and Bevelle (at this time it wasn't mentioned the Chocobos, but it doesn't mean that they don't exist...).
I'm just giving the example, facts that werent mentioned; it doesn't mean that they don't exist...
Because those are two absolutely different worlds. One realistic world, a tragic world, of SW. People dies in masses in that world. It's a world of science, with Gaya and Spirits. FFV on the other hand is not scientific at all. It's a pure fantasy and a fairy tale. You have chocobos and wizards. The worlds are just completely different, do you see it.
Not necessarily. There were chocobos in Final Fantasy Adventure and other titles not directly related to the numbered final fantasy, and those games have no relevance to the numbered series. Moogles also appeared in other Seiken Densetsu games such as Secret of Mana and Seiken Densetsu 3 and Kingdom Hearts. As you can see the appearance of these show nothing of the fact that the final fantasys are connected. It is more generated towards the popularity and consistency that these creatures should appear. (These also include some weapons, magic, items, etc...)Quote:
Originally Posted by soul_hunter
Well there are a lot of similarities between the Spirits Within and also the FF X, because of their scientific advance and other details.
For example the tragedy you mention on the FF SW with the death of a lot of people, it does happened in FF X, with the big war. And Zanarkand is the land marked with the tragedy as well.
Now not going off topic, I'm only saying that there are only similarities. They are not equal.
You're missing the point, I didn't say that they are connected; I only mention the similarities about the FF series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neco Arc
In the other hand they could be connected: and I mean it could be which means could be connected or not. It's different at that point.
Never cancelled out the possibility that they could be connected, though I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul_hunter
One thing is right; no one can cancel or confirm such speculations. Only the people of Square can give us the proper explanation. Although I dont believe that someday this might happen.
Correct. Though due to the various differences in the FFs, the probability that they are not connect is a bit higher. However, you cannot be definite about either of the answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul_hunter
What should we talk about now?
Give us a theory.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Yeah! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinenshire
Or, you could try explaining the part about little mashines making wind on those holographic walls. I don't think I get it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Wow. a lot happened when i was gone. final fantasies that are not numbered, i don't think those can connect to anything. As for the numbered FFs i think they can. I don't look at it as in terms of what was there or not(even though there are chocobos in every one and moogles, Gil, items and such, but i think those are just trademarks of Square)i look that they are connected by how their technology is different. u could sort of arrange them in a timeline if u do that. it looks like u guys are done talking about this so u don't have to say anything about it.
FE's question is still valid. What do we talk about now?
how about u wait until he says something. in the mean time, check out some other threads. :D
Yeah, it's good question. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinenshire
Do you remember the windmills on FH?
The wind making machines are devices like that but instead of moving by wind force it moves by electricity producing air currents.
Sort of a force field that's similar to the Esthar technology to produce a camouflage, right? Was it constructed by Hyne?Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
So in that way, nothing could pass on these walls...
Common vehicles don´t achieve the necessary speed to pass this field.
However time traveling vehicles were created to achieve astounding speeds which enables them to win the wind force.
Sounds like one of Einstein theories if you ask me. I mean to have enough speed to archive the time itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
When you mentioned about the time travelling vehicles , could be the Ragnarock or the Lunatic Pandora?
So, the areas that are divided by these walls are sort of time barrier, and each area belongs to different age.
So Hyne picked up each area (with their own time) and made the WOTC, and the result was the present world map that we have now?
no, we have discussed this already with FE, pls do not tempt him to discuss it again.:D
Sorry, I was trying to understand his theory...
It's rather... hard... to fully understand his theories, as they are only theories and usually don't give enough back-up. ^_^
It's interesting though, I like you how think, FE. It's just... tiresome, every once in a while, know what I mean?
what windmills are we talking about here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
What field are we talking about here too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
There is no problem assuming such things as long as there is some evidence supporting it, but where is the proof supporting these theories?
He does. It's just hard to see someties (I may not have even see it all yet) He just puts things on seperate post so certain "Dimensional" readers won't read it.Quote:
It's rather... hard... to fully understand his theories, as they are only theories and usually don't give enough back-up. ^_^
I on the hand am NOT demensional so Ii have ago.
Nonsense. We all know all time machines are inside Nobita's school desk. It is proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Exactly.Quote:
So, the areas that are divided by these walls are sort of time barrier, and each area belongs to different age.
So Hyne picked up each area (with their own time) and made the WOTC, and the result was the present world map that we have now?
English is not my first language.Quote:
what windmills are we talking about here?
I am referring to these helixes who rotates with wind force.
The field is the wind field.
No,I am talking about wind here,not time travelling.Quote:
Sounds like one of Einstein theories if you ask me. I mean to have enough speed to archive the time itself.
When you mentioned about the time travelling vehicles , could be the Ragnarock or the Lunatic Pandora?
These winds are created to prevent common vehicles to touch the walls.
It prevents people to discover the walls.
TT vehicles don´t need this because they "pass through" the walls.
The TT vehicles and propolents I know of in the game are:
Lunatic Pandora,Balamb Garden,the chocobos,Garden vessels,Galbadian missiles,Lunar Gate rockets,Ragnarok,Advanced Galbadian trains,Ultimecia´s castle,Galbadia Garden and maybe the White Seed ship.
There would probably be more.Those who pass through the walls are certainly TT vehicles.
However I believe Galbadia´s common trains,cars and the vessels on the crystal pillar excavation site to be common.
we've already proven that Hyne couldn't have screwed with the chocobos to make them time travel. u haven't given proof of it yet either.
Where?Why?Quote:
we've already proven that Hyne couldn't have screwed with the chocobos to make them time travel. u haven't given proof of it yet either.
Yesterday I fought Oilboyle.
It´s body is full of oil(fuel of Garden).
The Garden is a Time travelling device.
So,what if the chocobo is a mutation of Oilboyle?
A brain and body mutation?
Best one yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
http://members.arstechnica.com/x/xoa/haha.jpg
Sorry Future Esthar, if the Oilboyle was a mutation from the Chocobo, it could have some similarities between the two species.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
So the windmills are kind of security system only to give illusion to people. But these walls were made by Hyne?
And by the way, I don't consider that Chocobos are some kind of vehicle for time travelling. I would love to read your explanation about this subject...
Ok, let me get this straight, the helixs ( windmills ) create a synthetic wind so people dont know there is a city in front of them.
What proof is there that Garden is a time traveling device and what relevance does it have in the game. It never time travels in the game, so how do you know it is?
Oilboyles are really mutated chocobos...hmm...you must be joking. Good one! :D You had me goin for a sec, ok half a sec...
I'm trying so hard not to read this but I can't stop! like watching a train wreck...
Good question... indeed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Noj_R
yeah. u know the bridge on the garden? that is open space. nothing coevering it! if there was a wind being generated from the walls then they would have felt it and there would have been like a puzzlement or something among them and would've been mentioned in the game(like: every time they go through certain areas they feel wind so they like say something while driving the garden like "i feel a breeze").
that blown-up picture of Raine's grave is scary.
And this is supposed to be an argument against...?Quote:
Ok, let me get this straight, the helixs ( windmills ) create a synthetic wind so people dont know there is a city in front of them.
I admit there were no similarities between Oilboyles and Chocobos.
But there were probably transitional mutations between them.
Not necessarily.Quote:
yeah. u know the bridge on the garden? that is open space. nothing coevering it! if there was a wind being generated from the walls then they would have felt it and there would have been like a puzzlement or something among them and would've been mentioned in the game(like: every time they go through certain areas they feel wind so they like say something while driving the garden like "i feel a breeze").
It time travels every time it passes through an holographic wall.Quote:
What proof is there that Garden is a time traveling device and what relevance does it have in the game. It never time travels in the game, so how do you know it is?
Proof?
Look at this screenshot and explain to me what is that ring black thing around the Castle.The answer will surprise you (old members,be quiet please).
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a53...ltisCastle.jpg.
This is the beggining of the proof.
I see...Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Well i still dont agree with your theories but at least your trying to give some proof for once.
yeah.
The Castle's area represents another different time... I guess... if we pass this wall it will be like a time travelling...?
hey, wait a minute. u said we can't see the holo walls, and now we can see this one! ur kinda contrdicting urself here.
I think he's saying that you cant see the holo walls that are seen when your in the actual world, and land. But if his theory were true why would Hyne care to hide the holo walls around his castle or Ultimecia's, I doubt he ever actually expected anyone to actually get there, so he probably didnt hide them...Errr probably something like that lol. :rolleyes2
Also, do you guys remember those huge sorta dimensional portals, when your running on that big chain to Ultimecias castle. Maybe the holo walls are like those, just invissible and no one can see it. Why am i even trying lol ? :laughing:
Wrong answer.
And the holo walls were solid walls.It´s the vehicles themselves who time travels.
Well,can you guess what will become of the castle on Trabia-Balamb era?
If you can it will help you see what the black thing is.
Also look at the weird shape of the castle´s floor near the edge.What did it resembles?
Note that the black thing seems to move like wind(it has nothing to do with the helixes theory).
The Balamb/Galbadia Garden. It creates a kind of circle wall that "breaks" the time barrier and then this vehicle can make a time travel…Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Exactly.Quote:
The Balamb/Galbadia Garden.
So,what is the black thing?
The Garden's base which is used to keep the vehicle planning in the air?
The Garden´s gauge.That´s correct.
Those are black clouds to create a sinister effect on the castle.
Time to post some screenshots!(Finish the game first).
Take your time, you can alway come back ten years later or something, there is no hurry.
Ahhh I see, that makes sense at least. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
By the way,yesterday I went to Trabia Garden for the flashback scene.
I noted something interesting.The missiles destroyed the Gauge.It was cut in half.And the gauge is black.It can fit the castle´s black wind very well.
That is when it is burnt.
I think even before the missiles hit the garden it looked as ancient as that.
So the Trabia Garden will be transformed into the Castle in some far away future...Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
I don´t know the meaning of that.
It´s hard to believe that Ulti´s time is after Trabia+Balamb time.
Well you could admit that Ultimecia really belongs to the future instead from the past...
Like you said before the time order is irrelevant because the WOTC mixed up all time line from each area.
There are too many coincidences here...
That is when you can actually see Trabia Garden when it is not destroyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
That is when you can actually see THE SECRET GAMEOVER FMV IN WHICH THE MISSILES HIT THE GARDEN AND IT REMAINS COLORFUL.
There were only pieces breaking up.It remains colorful,looking modern and recognizable.
One can clearly see it was ancient.The ancient look is not the result of a missile hit.
That very concept is plainly ridiculous.
No.Time order is relevant when you consider each era independently.For instance Winhill era is 1572 for example.Quote:
Like you said before the time order is irrelevant because the WOTC mixed up all time line from each area.
Nothing can be said about the exact dates of the other eras.
How can you get this secret gameover FMV? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Ok, I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
You arenīt forced to.:mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :D :D :D
The secret gameover screenshot appears if you choose to fight the soldiers soon and then stop the missiles without setting the error ratio(thatīs what I remember).
secret gameover fmv? yeah right thats bulls**t!
That´s the name I give it.It´s the one in which the garden gets destroyed and Gameover appears.
Note: The 'secret' FMV appears if you don't activate the Gardens emergency state within the timelimit (ie. as Squall and Co in the MD level). Failure to activate the emergency system (ie. to get the thing flying) while result in this FMV:
http://www.ffshrine.org/ff8/ff8_fmvs...ilesstrike.php
Judge FE's statement from what you see there, and not his own memory or interpretation.
Ok... I'll try it.
That´s complete crap.Didn´t expect this from you at all Sir Bahamut.
Ok FE I think you are trying to say that Ultimecia's castle is Balamb Garden. I can actually see what your saying and you may be right but it doesnt matter. Ultimecia is in the far future so the fact that she took over Balamb Garden and redecorated a little then chained it up so it wouldnt go anywhere doesnt prove your time travel theory.
i have to bring this up.this is pretty much what this thread is about. now... HOW THE HELL IS IT IN 1572? u haven't proven that that us the exact time it is in. it could just be a poor area and nobody bothered to come and modernize because of the poor geographical features. i haven't said this earlier but the only possible cred and evidence i can give for FE's theory is that in the different cities(balamb, timber, esthar, etc.) there is various technology. This still doesn't change much since many cities have different tech since they are very distant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Or the opposite.Ultimecia´s castle was remodelled into Balamb Garden.Quote:
Ok FE I think you are trying to say that Ultimecia's castle is Balamb Garden. I can actually see what your saying and you may be right but it doesnt matter. Ultimecia is in the far future so the fact that she took over Balamb Garden and redecorated a little then chained it up so it wouldnt go anywhere doesnt prove your time travel theory.
I know that.Am no stupid.Quote:
i have to bring this up.this is pretty much what this thread is about. now... HOW THE HELL IS IT IN 1572? u haven't proven that that us the exact time it is in. it could just be a poor area and nobody bothered to come and modernize because of the poor geographical features. i haven't said this earlier but the only possible cred and evidence i can give for FE's theory is that in the different cities(balamb, timber, esthar, etc.) there is various technology. This still doesn't change much since many cities have different tech since they are very distant.
But the evidence is more about how the " color check" shape fits the world map well.
I can show you that Laguna got hurt on Centra because he hitted an holographic wall.
Can we start from the top?
How are their holographic walls. What is their purpose? How do they work? And what is their relevance in the game?
Ultimecias castle was or will be Balamb garden. How what where when why?
Edit: I know what. just how where when and why?
Let me just finish the game men.Be patient.I am on the beggining of the third disc now.
Breaking up and getting burnt are two different case. And for Hyne's sake I dun see those garden's parts that got blown and remain colorful anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Not as ridiculous as your theory.Quote:
One can clearly see it was ancient.The ancient look is not the result of a missile hit.
That very concept is plainly ridiculous.
You just rebuked your own freaking theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
I can show you Laguna got hurt because he jumped off the cliff. WANNA SEE?Quote:
I know that.Am no stupid.
But the evidence is more about how the " color check" shape fits the world map well.
I can show you that Laguna got hurt on Centra because he hitted an holographic wall.
I heard a rumour that Balamb Garden was remodelled into a Brothel during Ultimecia's era with Seifer as the Head Pimp, I wonder. :confused:Quote:
Or the opposite.Ultimecia´s castle was remodelled into Balamb Garden.
What theory?Quote:
Not as ridiculous as your theory.
And don´t double post.The mods will get angry.
GUESS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
LIES, SLANDER. :mad2:Quote:
And donīt double post.The mods will get angry.
Please,tell me:cry:Quote:
GUESS.
how can ulti's castle be remodelled in to balamb garden when she is in the future?that's bull. Cid and Norg made balamb garden from scrap. also, Laguna jumps off the cliff, not runs into a holo wall! u said the holo walls generate wind so no one could get close enought to touch them, so how can Laguna hit one?! also, if this is primarliy about the color check thing hthen why did u put the 1572 thing for a thread title? ur not making sense again.
Probably time movment.Quote:
how can ulti's castle be remodelled in to balamb garden when she is in the future?that's bull.
It started out as a question about Raines grave dates but I answered.Quote:
if this is primarliy about the color check thing hthen why did u put the 1572 thing for a thread title? ur not making sense again.
Where had you been?Quote:
how can ulti's castle be remodelled in to balamb garden when she is in the future?that's bull. Cid and Norg made balamb garden from scrap.
I said Ulti lives on the past and I used that screenshot as evidence that Ulti´s castle=Balamb Garden.The Garden was remodeled after an ancient shelter.This shelter was remodeled after something...and so on until the initial thing which is Ulti´s Castle.
Pretty obvious.Made all the sense.And we testify the shelter unlike the futureness of Ulti´s era.
Because Laguna hits a very high part of the wall(maybe a roof arc).The windmakers are only on the sea level (where they are needed).Quote:
Laguna jumps off the cliff, not runs into a holo wall! u said the holo walls generate wind so no one could get close enought to touch them, so how can Laguna hit one?!
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Okay FE, can you just take some time off, go get a drink, go see your girlfriend if you have one, if you dont then go search for one. You know if not just have some time off, then come back and in one post just explain your WHOLE theory, with ALOT OF DETAILS Kay ? :D
Gonna play the game.
Okay FE it says in game that Ultimecia is in the future so dont try to say she isnt. That is in game proof something you have none of so that means your arguments against it have no base. Also it says in game that Balamb Garden was built on a Centra shelter and thats it. The Centra did not build it on top of something else, the Centra built it and then Cid added onto it.
I demand proof for all your assumptions FE ( since theories need evidence to become a theory, otherwise it is a baseless assumption ).
So...Give me evidence. NOW!
bull, bull, bull, bull, BULL! Ulti can not make her castle off of a garden! They would have corroded and become nothing by the time of Ultimecia! and now, u are changing ur theories by adding more information again! u said the holo walls have wind generators and that no one can come near them to discover them, and also when i brought up how birds could give away the presence of something there, u said that the wind would push them away also. now ur sayin that the wind generators are only at sea level! make up ur mind! ur keep trying to back up ur theories by modifying evidence you've already used. ur doing this all the time! knock it off!......this is great stuff though:D
Dear friends,there is no proof that Ulti comes from the future or that odine is not lying.
Not even our heros can get the proof.Let me explain:
Edea had junctioned a GF also.This means she also loses memory.
It includes the memory of the thoughts she experience while possessed.
If there is a machine that can imitate Ellone´s power one just needs to add computer graphical editing capabilities on that machine to mess the pictures of the different eras.That´s what happened to Edea.
Why do you think that Edea had a GF junctioned? If you mean the magic and the inhumane powers, she was a Sorceress.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
I think you can draw a Gf off Edea. I think its Alexander, but im not sure.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Edea has a gaurdian force and MUST (like our heroes) have her memory affected. Can't argue with that.
Thanks.
I realized something some minutes ago.
I found what is the magic the sorceresses allways pass to each other
And...umm..that is ?? lol
She had her memory screwed because Ultimecia is controlling her. That will explain why her memory recovered immediately after Ultimecia leaves her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Seifer know she is Matron and this will had triggered her memory already if she had lost her memory through junctioning of GF.Quote:
Seifer: Did you guys come to fight Matron? After all that she's done
for us? Hey Chicken-wuss. Lot's happened between us, eh?
This is what she said after she is freed. She remember everyone of them.Quote:
Edea: Squall, Quistis, Selphie. Irvine, Zell. You've all grown so much...
and become so strong... I have waited for this day to come. And also
feared this day would come. Is today a joyous day? Or an odious day?
Where is Ellone!? Have I protected Ellone!?
That is your personal conceptions of the machine.Quote:
It includes the memory of the thoughts she experience while possessed.
If there is a machine that can imitate Ellone´s power one just needs to add computer graphical editing capabilities on that machine to mess the pictures of the different eras.That´s what happened to Edea.
Actually, there is evidence. First Odine says she is from the future, we can assume he tells the truth. Second, Odine obviously doesnt have the JME yet or else Squall and co. would destroy it, so it must be made in the future. Third, Ellone only has the power to "teleport" BACK in time not FORWARD. In the whole game she never goes forward in time, thus Ultimecia must be reaching back for Ellone as she cant go forward since Ellone doesnt possess that power. If she did, it would have been shown undoubtedly. So, Ulti is undisputably from the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
On another note, this brings something to mind...Why would Odine make a Junction Machine Ellone thing anyway? Is it for his gain? Does he thirst for power? Maybe Ulti is his wife and he is Griever??? Just some thoughts...Im kind of serious, those questions are pretty valid. But, it is only a game, and not every side story, question, paradox, etc. can be explained...
Just some thoughts...:)
He is a scientist/researcher and is common he made the machine out of his own free will. Some of his other works are para-magic...etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noj_R
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a155/Unknowns2/GF.jpg
Although he made the Odine Bangle because of his fear but:
But based on his time/enthusiasm spent on researching on Ellone as we all noticed in the game, it weren't be surprise that he decided to create something similar just to get the kick out of it.Quote:
Dr. Odine: Eghhhhhh! I kept this a secret to surprise you... It iz
because of me, Odine! I researched Ellone's power long ago. I made out
a pattern from ze current running through Ellone's brain. Once ze
pattern was determined, it was easy to mechanize. It may only be a toy
right now, but in ze time of Ultimecia, it iz an impressive working
machine! Which means there iz a machine which imitates Ellone's power.
It iz I who made ze first model of zat machine. I named ze machine
'Junction Machine Ellone'! It iz a vonderful thing to know that my
invention is used in ze future!
Griever is created from the party mind during the battle. It was mentioned in the scan info that Griever is the strongest GF.Quote:
Maybe Ulti is his wife and he is Griever??? Just some thoughts...Im kind of serious, those questions are pretty valid. But, it is only a game, and not every side story, question, paradox, etc. can be explained...
Just some thoughts...:)
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...s2/Griever.jpg
In the japanese version, Ultimecia said something like:
"From your feelings, I shall make the most powerful of things"
"The greater they are, the greater shall be your suffering! Fufu!"
It is not very exact but in the German translation:
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What is the absolute power for you?
The stronger your will, the bigger your pain.
Face the power!"
::Griever comes and it gets pounded on for a while::
"Memory loss?
...that is what you fear?
Show them your true power!
Show them, Griever!"
Yeah, that last comment about the griever being Odine and Ultimecia's husband was a bit of sarcasim...:D
Thanks for the info on Odine!
Try to refute this:
Odine lives on the future and used the machine to possess Ulti who lives on the past.
This kinda gives the explanation for Noj_R thread.
hey christa=mas i thought d=griever was a lion he is supposed to be a lion
Obviously you didnt read this. This is proof Ulti lives in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noj_R
If Ulti lives in the past, then where are the signs of her rule? Where is the record of Ulti's history? Why dont we hear of her?
The most imprtant question of all is this: Who defeated Ulti first?
Obviously it isnt Squall and co. because they live in a good world not an evil one. IF Ulti lived in the past and is no longer living in Squall's time, then who defeated her? Why is Odine giving Squall tips on how to kill Ulti if he is possessing her?
Obviously, Ulti cannot live in the past because of the above. These incidents above are true ( or would be ) if your theory was right. But it isnt and thats why we dont have t his confusing mess I mentioned above happening.
This is irrefutable:Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Ellone cannot CONTROL people, she can only WATCH their actions, as Squall and co. did with Laguna. So how can a Odine using a machine that mimics Ellon's possession power, and control someone when it can only watch their past? Ellone and Squall concluded together in the game that the past CANNOT BE CHANGED...That is fact.
Your theories on these issues cannot be true.
Everything was remodeled through time and WOTC was created.Quote:
If Ulti lives in the past, then where are the signs of her rule? Where is the record of Ulti's history? Why dont we hear of her?
After Ulti was defeated the castle becomed Centra ruins.Maybe part of the castle make into Edea´s(Ulti´s house).
Lunar Cry happened.Continents shape changed.Continent was flooded.
The continent was freezed.Centra ruins was remodeled into Trabia Garden.
Edea´s house was remodeled into Balamb town.
Balamb´s vulcan became active.The lava melt the ice producing flood.
Estharians get out of Esthar and make it into FH (without realizing they would create a time loop).
FH was constructed right over Trabia Garden.
The technicians turned it into DSRC to research the sea and a supposed ruins which is inside Trabia Garden shelter.
They had to abandon it because of a disaster.
The great water pressure planed the top of the mountains.Water level drops and voila,we are on the south Esthar era.
Vegetation grows.Winhill civilization is born and they make a village.
DSRC is remodeled into Galbadia Garden,water starts to drop and dry letting only some rivers running there.
Galbadia Garden becames mobile and decouple some of it´s parts.Dollet empire appears along with Galbadia country and Deling city.Missile base and Desert prison were created.Winhill becomes Timber city.
Galbadia conquers Timber.They burn nearly all of the continents vegetation.Even after making roads and railroads they burn it all after a couple of years to prevent communication between Timber citizens and other places on the continent.
Meanwhile,FH technicians remodel Galbadia Garden into Balamb Garden.
Galbadians enhance Timber technology too much(even knowing they just want freedom).
Timber becames the capitol of Galbadia.
Another lunar cry happens changing continent´s shape.
Timber becomes Esthar city.Balamb Garden is remodeled again and moves to the city attaching to it.It becames the Presidencial Palace.
D.D.prison becomes Lunatic Pandora Laboratory,Missile Base become Lunar Gate,Dollet become Esthar Sorceress Memorial and Deling City becomes Tears Point.
That sumed it up.
That didnt sum it up. Everything in that body of text was an assumption. You completely disregarded my post proving that Ultimecia was from the future. I would like to see some evidence prooving this instead of making a new theory ( the world changes/WOTC ) to make sure the old one is preserved ( Ulti is from the past ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Alot of things dont make sense either, if Ulti was from the past then what about this:
Who defeated Ulti?
Who created WOTC?
Why is Odine possessing Ulti throught the JME?
Why is Odine helping you beat "himself" ( Ulti )?
Why is Squall and co. being sent to beat Ulti when she is dead already?
I would like some real ingame proof proving every point, and I would like to see an analysis of my post ( #534 ) if you please. I am curious to see how you can disregard ingame evidence that is proven and really irrefutable to further your theories.
The right question would be Why is Odine helping you to beat "himself" (Adel)?Quote:
Why is Odine helping you beat "himself" ( Ulti )?
Ulti was an excuse to replace "him" on Edea´s mouth.
Since he messed up with Edea´s mind he must find someone to fit the Ultimecia role and a method to send them to the past.
He then brought the Pandora time machine.It´s perfect for the plan.
Through it he send them to the past.
Now if Ellone ever send people´s counscience to the past they would see this scene and conclude the doctor was right.Thus he is safe even though he didn´t taked over the world at all.Not only this but he has hope that he can get revenge for the defeat of Adel.But if not,well at least he already used an enemy to replace him and his safe.
He would use Ulti to explain the origin of Edea´s powers through a time loop.
If Ulti is Edea things make sence .
Ulti is on the past.She goes to the future and pass her powers to Edea.She pretends to be dead and cames to the past again.Now she has passed her powers to Edea and had no powers.But it means in the future she will had no powers and will receive it from herself.
It´s like throwing a boomerang to herself.
Thus Ellone will think this is the source of all the troubles with Edea and will not try to search further on the past(her intention is just to help her Matron).
In fact she has done it but saw Ulti´s castle and thinking it was on the future she tought to herself "I must had used my ability wrongly.I am seeing the future".
Then she saw the scene were Ulti passed her powers to Edea and concluded it was the further past.
Looking into Ulti´s past she would saw the Ragnarok(Time machine) bringing Ulti´s aboard it to Earth along with the other Propagators.
TO BE CONTINUED.
I am important things to do now.Will come back later.
hey FE, how come it takes u so long to reply? do u have to think on things before u answer. if so, then it sounds like ur making excuses rather than proof.
Did you learn to read?
I am telling the thruth hear.I swear.Quote:
I am important things to do now.Will come back later.
And I have to go again.
The fact that there are White SeeD lying dead on the ground mean it is the future or anywhere near there since there aren't SeeD in the past until Edea got the idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
ok FE i believe u.
Exactly, but FE is ignoring my post ( #534 ), it clearly explains how Ulti CANNOT be from the past. Thank you Christmas for another nugget of ingame fact :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Christmas
Also FE you only answered one of my questions and that last post about Odine helping us has no ingame facts to even suggest such complex craziness.
I request answers to my other valid questions and some ingame evidence proving it.
1-How do you know they are White Seed?Quote:
The fact that there are White SeeD lying dead on the ground mean it is the future or anywhere near there since there aren't SeeD in the past until Edea got the idea.
2-White SeeD were part of the other children raised on the orphanage which were onboard Edea´s ship.
They were brought on the Ragnarok from their eras.
The adults we see on the present were descendents of the ones we see on the Castle.Therefore it´s not strange that they dress the same way.
Edea knows these patriarcs and their families but she just don´t remember.So she thinks the children were suns of persons she doesn´t know.
3-Nothing suggests they are called White Seed (already explained the dress thingy).
it says in the game that they are white SeeD. squall realizes this.
Exactly, Squall himself says they are dead white seeds, and I have already proven that Ultimecia is from the future NOT the past, so we can drop this whole Ulti from the past theory thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Heero Yuy NWZC
1- How do you know Squall is a propagator?Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
2-Propagators were part of the inhabitants inside the Raganrok spaceship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
They weren't brought to Disneyland by whatever means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
The propagators we see in the game attack whoever that they encounter. Therefore it's not strange that they attack Squall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Squall know these and kill all of them so no one will ever get hurt by them again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
3- Nothing suggests that Squall and the others are propagators (already explained the whatever thingy you are explaining.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
EDIT: Ya, they dressed like White SeeD, looks like White SeeD, died like White SeeD but they aren't White SeeD. Like how Squall look and dressed like Squall but is actually PuPu throughout the game.
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Ya, they dressed like White SeeD, looks like White SeeD, died like White SeeD but they aren't White SeeD.
And were patriarcs of White Seed.That´s why they look similar.And we can not make the assumption that their clothes were made by Garden and were Seed clothes.
What if the clothes were made by themselves?Maybe ancient Centra civilization clothes?
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Exactly, Squall himself says they are dead white seeds
And is this even proof of something?
Squall THINKS he is on the future.
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and I have already proven that Ultimecia is from the future NOT the past, so we can drop this whole Ulti from the past theory thing...
No,you don´t.You just left unanswered questions(which I have yet to answer).
You too cannot make the assumption that Squall isn't PuPu just because he dun dress or look like it. What if Squall is putting on a disguise? Maybe the ancient Centra people taught him to do so. So I hereby declare that Squall is actually PuPu in other words PuPu is the real and true hero of FF VIII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Anyone that post after me support this theory.
Im in total agreement why cant you see it FE? Pupu is the true hero to FFVIII. In fact i bet that Pupu's race is at war with the Propogators and that is why Squall/Pupu was attacked on the Ragnarok. And all the monsters that you fight around the world are actually the decendants of mutated propogators. Wow its all so clear now, the stories hidden meaning of how there is a secret war between aliens raging on the FF8 planet. Christmas you are a genius for figuring out Squall's true identity.
This is proof that Ulti is from the future. For your whole theory to work you are saying that Odine is manipulating people through the JME which is mimicing Ellone's power. But what you probably missed is that Ellone and the JME can only send a person's consciousness into another in the past and they CANNOT manipulate anything. All they can do is watch the past happen again. Squall and Ellone tried to change the past and they concluded that it cannot be done. So if Odine used the JME he would be unable to control anyone. Through this irrefutable evidence, we can conclude Ultimecia IS in fact from the future and Odine is telling the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noj_R
Your theory cannot work because of this ingame evidence.
They live on the ship, not garden. They make their own clothes and they have almost no contact without outside influences. Were they not appointed by Garden to protect Ellone? Your statement is true except for the fact that they maybe Centra Clothes. No, they are an offshoot of garden to protect Ellone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Squall isnt in the future, or the past, or the present. He is in Time Compression.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Yes, and I await the answers with great anticipation...:rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Oh yes! And Christmas thank you for revealing the true identity of our hero Squall. Long Live PuPu!
But the doctor is lying.This is an obvious consequence of my theory.Quote:
This is proof that Ulti is from the future. For your whole theory to work you are saying that Odine is manipulating people through the JME which is mimicing Ellone's power. But what you probably missed is that Ellone and the JME can only send a person's consciousness into another in the past and they CANNOT manipulate anything. All they can do is watch the past happen again. Squall and Ellone tried to change the past and they concluded that it cannot be done. So if Odine used the JME he would be unable to control anyone.
"Odine:This is a secret to surprise you.It´s because of me.
I was possessing these sorceresses because I wanna take over the world.
Squall sets the alarm and a bunch of Esthar soldiers appears and puts Odine on jail"
GAME OVER.
Of course this is absurd.
Same as above.Quote:
Actually, there is evidence. First Odine says she is from the future, we can assume he tells the truth. Second, Odine obviously doesnt have the JME yet or else Squall and co. would destroy it, so it must be made in the future.
Prove to me Ulti even possess someone(she isn´t).Quote:
Third, Ellone only has the power to "teleport" BACK in time not FORWARD. In the whole game she never goes forward in time, thus Ultimecia must be reaching back for Ellone as she cant go forward since Ellone doesnt possess that power. If she did, it would have been shown undoubtedly. So, Ulti is undisputably from the future.
I already explained Ulti´s role on the game.
It is the doctor who possesses everyone.
Where is this stated on the game?Quote:
No, they are an offshoot of garden to protect Ellone.
hmmmmm.That makes sence.So that means that if Pupu is actually Squall in descuise then Squall is possesing the fake Pupu.But since its a pointless thing for him to do he can only be under the influence of Dr.Odine.But if Dr.Odine is Hyne then that means that Zell is actually Squalls mother.So Zell wont let Squall into his room cause he'll see the baby pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christmas
So that means Laguna isnt actually Squalls father.So if thats correct then FE can only be Squalls father but had to return to the past where he posts from now so thats why theres no mention of this in the game.Whos with me?
Zell's dirty secrets... :rolleyes2 it means that Zell (it’s Zellia?!)... oh Lord... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Desert Wolf
Use the Balamb Garden, or the Ragnarock to return to the past, they are time machines...Quote:
Originally Posted by Desert Wolf
Oh man...
I can't see the relationship with the Pupu and the Propogators with our main characters... can someone explain me... :confused:
Yes but if your wondering how the Ragnarok can travel time then here it is.Its simple it need Hotdogs!It needs them for fuel.It was hotdogs that took Zell/Zellia's love away.Hence his hatred of them.Thats why he want to eat all the hotdogs in the world!
You are kidding but The hotdogs can really contain part of the fuel for the time machines.
its bread
Can I assume that you are lying too? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
But you said your theory dun need proof. Why should we bother to prove to you then. :(Quote:
Prove to me Ulti even possess someone(she isn´t).
I already explained Ulti´s role on the game.
It is the doctor who possesses everyone.
Here, my dear friend. have a look. Even though they may all be lying. Bad liars.:mad2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
One thing to note that they are entrusted by Edea and Cid before she goes crazy to protect Ellone.Quote:
White SeeD: Headmaster, we've come for Ellone. It's too dangerous here
now.
Quote:
White SeeD: We are SeeDs! This is Edea's ship. We are Sorceress Edea's
SeeD!
It was mentioned by Laguna in the game.
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Laguna: I wanted to! But I had my reasons. I found out about this afterwards,
but.. the reason why Ellone had to leave the orphanage was because of her
special power. Doc Odine wanted to do research on Ellone's special power. he
looked for her everywhere. The owners of the orphanage were Edea and Cid
Kramer. You know them better than I do. The Kramers took Elle out of the
orphanage to protect her. They prepared a big ship to accommodate her...After
a while the ship turned into another orphanage and Elle looked after all the
kids...She was on that ship for ten years."
PS: And the fact that you are posting here support that Squall is actually PuPu. I appreciate your sincerest support my dear friend, thank you so much. You had made such a big differences to this world and yourself by believing in Squall is PuPu.
Can you explain this PuPu thing? What's the connection with Squall? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Christmas
Which is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
First,you must unlearn what you have learned.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul_hunter
In other words, the FF8 is all a BIG lie! :mad2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Christmas
Only to Future Esthar. Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul_hunter
Well I know who are PuPu and the Propagator... but I don't know the relationship with our main characters! :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Christmas
The characters in the game lied about their relationship. Pretty much like Future Esthar's theories on WOTC...blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul_hunter
Now that makes sense... since Squall IS a PuPu, then he can not use the Lionheart because I believe the sword is too big and too heavy for him...Quote:
Originally Posted by Christmas
And Zell has no other choice then use the hot dogs as a fuel and to control the Garden to run away the fast as possible...
PuPu can use Lionheart too. Never determine someone strength based on its size.Quote:
Originally Posted by soul_hunter
Have any proof?Quote:
Originally Posted by Christmas
Nice one Christmas! I like you already! The answer is there somehow... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Christmas
Hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
1. You talk to Edea, and she tells you Ultimecia possessed her.
2. When you are in the escape pod after Adel is set loose, Ellone sends you back to Galbadia Garden after you have defeated Edea for the second time, You see Ultimecia there while she is possessing Rinoa.
3. Dr. Odine tells you Ultimecia is possessing people. ( and no, there is no reason Odine would lie )
The doctor cannot be possessing people. How is he doing it? JME? He cant, Ellone CANNOT control people, they CAN ONLY watch. Watching is completely different than controlling. The JME can only send consciousnesses to another in the past, but they cannot control the person's actions. Like I said before, Squall and Ellone concluded this in the escape pod...Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
And Heero said earlier ( post #92 ) in your " Evangelical view on the occult thread ",
And you said ( post #93 ),Quote:
Originally Posted by Heero Yuy NWZC
You said it yourself Even if Odine used some " method " to possess people. He couldnt hold so many people in one place, it would be impossible for one man to possess and manipulate tons of people at once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
This was said in reference to me stating the White Seeds job was to protect Ellone. Christmas gave ingame proof ( post #557 ) stating that the White Seeds were indeed trained to protect Ellone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
You cannot disprove any of this proof by giving some lame excuse like, " they are lying! I swear! ". No, that does not hold up at all. FE, when someone says something in the game that doesnt fit your theory, it does not mean they are lying. Eventually, you need to realize that your theories may not be true and everyone is indeed telling the truth.
Great Job while i was gone Noj_R, u have provided excellent proof and used ur resources(posts and ingame info) very well. :D i have nothing to say since there is nothing to add.
Why, thank you sir. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Heero Yuy NWZC
no, thank u. i believe that this discussion has been resolved unless if FE has something to say when he gets back. (FYI: he most likely will):D
No doubt in my mind...:rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Heero Yuy NWZC
I wonder what Future Esthar has to say about that...
By the way, nice job Noj_R!
Odine is possessing a person at a time.
Edea has forget some things because of Alexander.
Cyborg Elle is mixing Squallīs mind.
JME canīt possess?
So how Ulti changed the pass then.
By the way it seems you hadnīt activated the secret Winhill event during Squallīs dream.
Cyber Ellone is therefore lying showing that she is not the true one.
ScreenshotMan will help you soon.
why and how? JME would only let u view the past(if it exists). in squall's dream and all the other dreams the characters aren't controlling laguna and company. u are so that the story will go on(and because if u were only viewing it and not doing anything then it would be boring)Quote:
Odine is possessing a person at a time.
no kidding, but then she starts to remember again. also, she doesn't remember what she has been doing for a period of time showing that their was a break in memory ever since Ulti possessed her.Quote:
Edea has forget some things because of Alexander.
if there is one, it wouldn't be able to alter minds. nothing in FFVIII can.Quote:
Cyborg Elle is mixing Squallīs mind.
again, no it can't.Quote:
JME canīt possess?
she didn't. she viewed the past(if she can) and then when she saw a person that would be a good candidate to possess she possessed them.Quote:
So how Ulti changed the pass then.
whatever it is, that doesn't mean a thing.Quote:
By the way it seems you hadnīt activated the secret Winhill event during Squallīs dream.
why? what would be the prupose? that is another one of ur theories here.Quote:
Cyber Ellone is therefore lying showing that she is not the true one.
FE, you never cease to amaze me. I dont know how anyone could disregard such cold hard evidence and facts as I have provided, and then make assumptions to negate them all...:rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Sometimes I wonder why I bother...
While I'm new here, I have taken the time to read up on Future's history at the board, so forgive me for my presumption of just jumping in here, but...Quote:
Odine is possessing a person at a time.
Edea has forget some things because of Alexander.
Cyborg Elle is mixing Squallīs mind.
JME canīt possess?
So how Ulti changed the pass then.
By the way it seems you hadnīt activated the secret Winhill event during Squallīs dream.
Cyber Ellone is therefore lying showing that she is not the true one.
ScreenshotMan will help you soon.
I'd like to introduce Future Esthar to a few basic ideas. One is the burden of proof. If you forward a theory, then the onus is upon YOU to support it, not upon anyone else to disprove it. If your theory cannot be supported, it fails by defaut.
Then there's Parsimony: Put simply, the less hoops you need to jump through for a theory to work, the better, especially if it is competing with a theory that has just as much validity.
Future, you must PROVIDE EVIDENCE that Ellone is a cyborg. You must PROVIDE EVIDENCE that what you say is possible, to the point that it is not conflicting with the rules of parsimony (IE: in such a way that there is not a much simpler explanation for what is observed). Lastly, you must define this theory in such a way that it can actually be verified or debunked. THEN you will have a theory that is worth considering.
Evidence, sensibility, and falsifiability. Get these three, and your ideas will be worth consideration as 'theories'
The fact that your new shows in that you're giving Future the same speech so many people have given him before.
Future has been around for ages, and not once has he showed any kind of capacity for logical reasoning, nor any signs of realising the ridiculous nature of his "theories".
So, to sum up, I wonder why ANY of you bother :rolleyes2
Why bother? Boredom, I guess. Future is exceedingly set in his views from what I have read, and it's always good to argue with someone like that on occasion to keep in practice.
That, and perhaps the hope that through repeated beating of certain facts into his skull, some of them might eventually osmose in.
You werenīt able yourself to debunk any of them so you donīt have the autority to insult them.Quote:
Future has been around for ages, and not once has he showed any kind of capacity for logical reasoning, nor any signs of realising the ridiculous nature of his "theories".
FE, instead of quarreling with them how about u say something about my post (post #576)
And you weren't able to support any of your claims, and have frequently resorted to the most outlandish explanations to explain the simplest things, without a shred of proof. Simply put, there is no need to debunk such specious claims.Quote:
You werenīt able yourself to debunk any of them so you donīt have the autority to insult them.
It's like claiming everyone in FF8 is actually less than three feet tall. The claim is absurd enough that it can be ignored unless it has some incredibly strong supporting evidence. It, like yours, does not.
PuPu is the one possessing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
No she didn't like I got those ingame evidences in the previous post maybe 45437589347 pages before this one or in other thread.Quote:
Edea has forget some things because of Alexander.
PS: One thing to note is that she recovered all her memory after Ultimecia left her body.
No. Squall's mind belong to PuPu.Quote:
Cyborg Elle is mixing Squallīs mind.
JME only send Ultimecia consciousness back to the past.Quote:
JME canīt possess?
She changed nothing or she won't lose in the end.Quote:
So how Ulti changed the pass then.
Ya, ya, we await the screenshot.Quote:
By the way it seems you hadnīt activated the secret Winhill event during Squallīs dream.
Cyber Ellone is therefore lying showing that she is not the true one.
ScreenshotMan will help you soon.
Hey! Lay off Sir Bahamut!Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
I debunked all your theories in post #569. Did you read it? For your convenience FE, I have provided ingame evidence and board posts disproving your theories. If you havent read it, I suggest you do...
NOR DO YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SAID YOUR THEORIES ARE THE TRUTH EITHER MY DEAR FUTURE ESTHAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
PS: TYPE IN CAPS A DAY MADE THE DOCTOR ROT AWAY.
it looks like our dear Future Esthar has taken a sick day for now. I will wait for his return. :D
o.O This thread has made me see Jesus eyes (I love you dane!!!:love: )
Becca
Disclaimer, the follwing may be considered offensive to some. I however find it funny =P
(SPOILER)"Grandad you cannot contain the white supreamacist power structure WITH CHEESE!!!"
I just wanna to say that if I was able to make logical assumptions to debunk your "solid evidences" itīs because they were not solid evidences at all.If they were I would not be able to do that.Thatīs in the very definition of what a "solid evidence" is.
It dindnīt matter if it was an unproved assumption as long as it is logical.
chaos: Agreed, I don't see the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by G SpOtZ
Rubedo: If Final Fantasy VIII did "was" basically in the same world as ours, then I suppose this would have some merit. But if it's in an alternate world, who really cares? Hell it could've been in year 230 but we'd know that it doesn't matter because it's high-tech nonetheless. :)
"This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends
Somebody started typing it not knowing what it was..."
Come on help me out guys! lol
Rubedo: And they'll continue typing it forever just because this is the thread that never ends! Yes it goes on and on my friends!
chaos: I was really surprised that this thread grew to it's 20th page. :eek:
wow, FE long time no see, your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Keyword IF. IF you could do as you claimed, then it might be as you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Here's the kicker. You have not.
Somebody said I had.
Thatīs why I posted itQuote:
FE, you never cease to amaze me. I dont know how anyone could disregard such cold hard evidence and facts as I have provided, and then make assumptions to negate them all...
Sometimes I wonder why I bother...
I catch a cold Noj_R.
But had to end FF8 yet.
Again, Square is not dumb. They know their fans like to nitpick and overthink the details, so they do their best to make sure to include all sorts of stuff like this. It's certainly not there without intelligence.
http://gotpicturesonline.com/familie...6812/img1.JPEG
the C looked a little fragmented, maybe due to weathering.
The "i" ( l ) is fragmented it seems.
http://gotpicturesonline.com/familie...6814/img1.JPEG
Oddly enough, Raine could be 34 when she died according to both of those.
Roman numerals are found in other places too in ffviii.
Like in the clock tower,huh?
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Originally Posted by Future Esthar
1. Sarcasm. Learn what it is. He was expressing exhasperation at your ill chosen method, not affirming it's validity.
2. At no point does that quote say LOGICAL. Your assumption has as much merit as assuming that Rinoa is actually a 37 year old black man named Steve.
She could be, but the whole concept of figuring her age out doesnt matter in the grand theme of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by *__*)
And no, I think Square put the numbers there for a fill in. There is no need to know the date FF8 occured, nor does it matter. I doubt Square was thinking all this stuff up to make us stay awake at night in bed thinking, " ...Gee, that little rust spot on the stall in Balamb Garden's 3rd floor restroom must have a hidden meaning..." No, Square is human and has a budget and they have deadlines. They have way more important things to do than insert stuff, soley for our little fanboy eyes to see, so we can argue over it...
Ryushikaze.my assumptions were logical.Logical donīt means proved(as I already explained but you donīt read).Just logical.If you think they werenīt show it to me.That would be easy and possible.