I do believe Sephiroth is the greatest most perfect villan in the FF series for reasons way too long to explain and if any one thinks another one's better, well i challenge them to say what's so great about them!
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I do believe Sephiroth is the greatest most perfect villan in the FF series for reasons way too long to explain and if any one thinks another one's better, well i challenge them to say what's so great about them!
Ugh, since I just joined this forum Im incredibly late to the party, but I agree with Sephiroth being up there... Kuja was pretty good too, and I loved the plot twist near the end of FF IX so that helps.. Kuja lacked the "big final boss monster" form though, which leads to that random Necron encounter, oh well
Ultimecia is up there too, although its the villain that gets the least air time in the whole series :P but still.. I love time related stuff and 1 - her castle kicks ass 2 - the final battle is awesome and the music rocks :)
FF IX garland was a very nice "villain", shame he wasnt the main one
Kefka was ridiculous, nuff said
No 1 can really top sephy, i havent played ff6 or ff9, but i heard that they've got good main villains as well.
i just love watching Cloud and Sephiroth go head to head..so much passion and conflict between the two characters!!!
god i thought this thread was dead ages go it just keeps on going...........................................................
no....just, no. He has been sooooooo overrated that he just loses the appeal.
Kefka is a better villain than Sephiroth in every way except looks. Judging by "nuff said" you obviously have no proof on why he's ridiculous other than your own opinion. By the way, the clown thing is not good enough as a reason. I'm not saying you can't have your own opinion; it would just be better to say why though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostwake
Had it been some other villain, it probably wouldn't have lasted long. Though you just had to pick Sephy, and now you have over 10 pages of Sephy fans trying to say how he's the best and pages of people arguing how he's not because they probably are sick of all the Sephy fans trying to say he is. Though some people actually did give good reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfffan
i gave some good reasons for Sephy if you remember and thats why i picked him.
IF Sephiroth hadn't killed Aerith I dont' think he'd have half the fans he has now.
If Kuja killed Garnet Imagine his fan base.
Or if Kefka killed either Terra or Celes.
Well I dont like how most people judge villains here... Usually by how evil and destructive they are... so if some monster from power rangers destroyed the whole world and the main characters it would be the best ever, no?Quote:
Kefka is a better villain than Sephiroth in every way except looks. Judging by "nuff said" you obviously have no proof on why he's ridiculous other than your own opinion. By the way, the clown thing is not good enough as a reason. I'm not saying you can't have your own opinion; it would just be better to say why though.
My idea of a good villain is one who has good reasons behind everything he does, and that does NOT include "I want to be the most powerful guy in the world" or "I have a pathetic laugh and feel like poisoning people for some reason" (you know who this one is)
A villain that makes you go "its sad he has to die... he actually had a good point" ... Pretty much like FF IX garland as I said.. THAT is the best villain in my opinion
YAY! someone who actually has some f****** common sense, and actually posts a post that explains why other villians can be (and actually ae) better then Sephiroth.
i agree with that comment about Sephiroth it was a powerful scene but if you remember their was a few more likeQuote:
Originally Posted by corncracker
1. The way he controls Cloud.
2. The trail of blood at The Shinra Building.
3. The town in flames!
0.0 I can't believe this thread is still around.
The town in flames isn't as powerful as a scene as it gets credit for. By that point of the game you had very little connection with the town, its just like when you hear that people are dying halfway across the world, it doesn't affect you nearly as much as when someone you know dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfffani agree with that comment about Sephiroth it was a powerful scene but if you remember their was a few more likeQuote:
Originally Posted by corncracker
1. The way he controls Cloud.
2. The trail of blood at The Shinra Building.
3. The town in flames!
It is appearent you did not pay attention to FFVI as much as you should have. Kefka went insane because of his infusion with Esper magic. After the infusion he was insane, and insane people usually don't have good reasons why they are killing people.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostwake
[QUOTE=Goldenboco;2087877]0.0 I can't believe this thread is still around.
The town in flames isn't as powerful as a scene as it gets credit for. By that point of the game you had very little connection with the town, its just like when you hear that people are dying halfway across the world, it doesn't affect you nearly as much as when someone you know dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfffani agree with that comment about Sephiroth it was a powerful scene but if you remember their was a few more likeQuote:
Originally Posted by corncracker
1. The way he controls Cloud.
2. The trail of blood at The Shinra Building.
3. The town in flames!
i felt connected you get to visit people from the town and talk to them and have you forgotten about Tifa and her father that was a sad scene.
[QUOTE=chrisfffan;2087889]Well to be totally honest, a half an hour of talking to random people doesn't make me feel connected to them at all. Also, by the time Tifa's father part had came the scene had changed no longer was I gazing at innocent being burned, but thinking about, "Well what's seph gonna do now?" Also considering I don't think Tifa's Father had 1 line of dialouge throught the entire game, it was more like, "meh sucks to be her", not "aw but he was an awesome character"Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboco0.0 I can't believe this thread is still around.
The town in flames isn't as powerful as a scene as it gets credit for. By that point of the game you had very little connection with the town, its just like when you hear that people are dying halfway across the world, it doesn't affect you nearly as much as when someone you know dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfffani agree with that comment about Sephiroth it was a powerful scene but if you remember their was a few more likeQuote:
Originally Posted by corncracker
1. The way he controls Cloud.
2. The trail of blood at The Shinra Building.
3. The town in flames!
i felt connected you get to visit people from the town and talk to them and have you forgotten about Tifa and her father that was a sad scene.
he said a few thing actually play the game again!
Then it must've not been anything worthwhile, or meaningful.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfffan
your minds just going!
Point out something important he says then, your always lots of talk and no proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfffan
If you give me a quote of something important he says then I'll admit I'm wrong.
Get real. People like The Crystal were the only ones who actually gave good reasons. Controlling Cloud, a trail of blood, and a town on fire were nothing compared to what The Crystal said.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfffan
Well, technically yes. Despite something from Power Rangers wouldn't really be considered to be that evil by people because it is a kids show, it could be considered as a great villain. After all, if it was some monster or demon from Final Fantasy that destroyed the world, then people might say it's a great villain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostwake
Sephiroth also wanted to be the most powerful guy in the world too, no? Almost all villains in games want to be the most powerful, no? "Pathetic Laugh" is something you, me or nobody can support; we can only back it up with opinion. And first of all, he didn't poison people for no reason; he wanted to conquer Doma Castle and this was his strategy. And secondly, that's like saying "Why would Sephiroth kill people for no reason? Why did he kill everyone in Nibelheim in Final Fantasy VII?" The same reason as Kefka, because he's evil.
Aww, we're still here. For all those people who argued the whole "Kefka didn't destroy the world thing"
:love:Quote:
Originally Posted by Feburary 2007 Retro Gaming Issue, Villan of the Month collum
Anyways Have fun arguing this for another couple of months. Kefka's gonna poison the kingdom of Doma soon. *wanders off with GBA in hand*
what made sephiroth my favorite villian was that when i woudl run into him at points in the game it was scary. and seeing his power when you got ot fight with him and cloud showed how strong he was all those years ago. also when you first find out he may still be alive there's trails of blood everywhere. not a bad way to strike fear into you.
when kefka came on screen he didnt strike any fear into me. kefka was very evil though right down to his laugh. i always felt ready to fight kefka though.
The whole fear thing never worked with me.
I thought Sephiroth was cool, even with the slaughtering, even with me being 13 years old. He was the Neo Matrix kind of cool. Not the "Ohhh I want to be him" more so I'd want to just no him and be all "Dude, I know the guy that burnt your place down"
I -loved- Kefka since the age of 9, He's the "I'll use you to get to the top then push you off a floating continent cool" or the kind of cool that Barbas the demon of fear in charmed(AKA a guy who basically only acts as the antichrist or something of demonic nature in TV shows) has because it's that "Dude, you don't understand you're going to die wether you beg for mercy or not, bye bye~" He's the kind of cool were I'd want to be his minions just to watch his antics before I die.
If I had to not use facts and just use the "cool" thing, that'd be it. :razz:
[QUOTE=PuPu;2088008]Get real. People like The Crystal were the only ones who actually gave good reasons. Controlling Cloud, a trail of blood, and a town on fire were nothing compared to what The Crystal said.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisfffan
how isnt that a good reason? i have given you 4
Sephiroth is a good villain to FFVII. Each villain is good to the story of their games.
Some time ago, i found a quote in another forum that i liked, and explain what i'm saying. Sorry for the person that said this, but i don't remember your name.
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For example, even though I don't really care for Ultimecia as a villain, she was the perfect antagonist for the game. The whole game, Squall is struggling with the old proverb "no man is an island." He needed to learn to depend on others and let others depend on him. She was an island, though. Time Compression would have created a world in which only she could exist. That made her the perfect antagonist for that story.
By the same token, Cloud was confused, yet sought the truth. Sephiroth was confused and only wanted to hear the version of truth that fit what his mind created.
Zidane wanted to know who he was and where he originated. Kuja wanted to forget.
And correct me if i'm wrong, but Terra wanted to know about love, Kefka wanted to destroy it.
Another one that think like that? :rolleyes2 Dude, Ultimecia was there all the time. She was just inside of Edea's body controlling it(like what Hojo did with Weiss in the end of DoC, for example).Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostwake
And the two villains that get the least air time in the whole series are, Zemus/Zeromus and Yu Yevon.
But technically, Yu-Yevon is inside Sin, and we see Sin for the whole game.
I never played the game, but of what i know, Sin exist because of Yu Yevon and Yevon is inside of it, but unlike Ultimecia and Edea, Yu Yevon is not controlling its body. Jetch(sp?) is controlling it, meaning that when we see Sin, we are in truth, seeing Jetch. Yu Yevon is inside of Sin, probably doing nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jammi567
Sepiroth was a great villian but more so, a great character a trait shared with Kuja but lacking in other bosses imho.
Being the best villian isnt imo about being the most evil and i suppose you could argue that there are much more "evil" villians in the series, Sepiroth and Kuja did generally have goals and views where not killing for the sake of pure evilness.
People like kefka, Necron, Ultimecia, X-death... just didnt have the personality...to be a great villian.
So between Sepiroth and Kuja for me :eek:
FF7 goes a long way into building up the greatness and power of Sepiroth and he really does feel like the most epic character in the entire series, so he gets my vote.
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Originally Posted by jammi567
you can not be serious about that Yu-Yevon thing it was the stupidest battle in the history of final fantasy.
the best bad guy poll has been moved to general final fantasy so if you want to vote go there!
what has the last battle got to do with anything?
you didnt see that thing untill the last battle and he wasnt a bad guy i dont know what it was it was blue blob ha ha
He was thye one who created Sin, told the temples to lie about how to destroy Sin,and got his daughter killed!
I missed that bit! O wait a minuet was he that really old guy with the beard?
no........that guy was the undead Maechan.
I think that you mean "a good motive" instead of "personality". For example, they haven't good motives to do what they did, but Kefka and Ultimecia have great personalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aybabtu
I think Ultimcia has a great motive, it's just that most people are too lazy to look for it.
I just don't like Sephiroth. He's just too insane. I personally like Golbez over the other villains. He's genuinely evil (most of the game... don't know how to do that spoiler thing), but he's not psycho. Plus, I just beat FF7 disc 1 today, and was very depressed. :(
Idiots!!!! Sephiroth has more powers, better looks, and a better weapon than any of those other fools who doesn't even kill a playable character. Heck, the game he's in even gets made into a two year later movie. I havn't seen anyother games turned into a movie and brings back the villan. One more thing, I also hear that they are making a remake of VII...well I don't know about all of you fools, but I don't hear that about any other games.Quote:
Originally Posted by darksword12
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Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91Idiots!!!! Sephiroth has more powers, better looks, and a better weapon than any of those other fools who doesn't even kill a playable character. Heck, the game he's in even gets made into a two year later movie. I havn't seen anyother games turned into a movie and brings back the villan. One more thing, I also hear that they are making a remake of VII...well I don't know about all of you fools, but I don't hear that about any other games.Quote:
Originally Posted by darksword12
How quickly we forget about Tellah, Galuf, Minwu, the list goes on. The villian powers gets very complicated, disputed, and ends with lots of nerds yelling at each other so please don't get into that. And as for remakes, sequals, and movies, they say nothing about Sephiroth except that FFVII has lots of crazy fans that know nothing of the other games, kinda like you.
You do realize that they're doing that to a game where gamers are easily manlipulated into buying something because of one specific scene, one specifi protagonist and an antagonist who doesn't (when you really think about it) do much at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91
I think I've read all the posts in the thread, but there's so many now that I'm probably repeating some stuff :p
Anyways, out of the FFs I've played, Sephiroth is my favorite villain, though not so much for his presence (which was still great imo, though the hair and sword could've been toned down), but for his personality combined with his background and motivation. His cold, calm, detached personality is not too exciting when compared to Kefka's, but combined with the revelation that he's basically a freak of nature and his reaction to it, and his decision to take revenge on the world for screwing him up, I thought it was very interesting. I don't know if that made sense, but yeah :p
So I guess those remakes of FFI-VI are fakes then :eep:Quote:
Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91
I laughed loud when i readed that. If you don't understand why, read the rest of my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Potato
His personality is not too exciting when compared to anyone. He is cold, arrogant and... And... And... ??? Sephiroth have one of the most poor and flat personalities of any FF vilain.Quote:
His cold, calm, detached personality is not too exciting when compared to Kefka's,
It was interesting. Until he gained the knowledge of the Lifestream and discovered that the cause he was fighting for was wrong, because he wasn't a Cetra. But instead of regreting what he did in Nibelheim because of a wrong cause... He decided to become a god. :confused: His motive? Because he was power hungry! Great motive! Very creative SE. :rolleyes2Quote:
but combined with the revelation that he's basically a freak of nature and his reaction to it, and his decision to take revenge on the world for screwing him up, I thought it was very interesting.
It didn't.Quote:
I don't know if that made sense, but yeah :p
I'm sorry if i'm being an asshole, but i don't understand how people can like him because of his personality and motives. Don't get me wrong, he is one of my favorites characters in all FF series, but not because of his poor motives and personality.
I don't know about this. But i know that the FFVII remake is fake. That was just a FMV to show the capacity of the PS3, nothing more nothing less. Maybe in the future SE will remake it, but they aren't doing it right now.Quote:
So I guess those remakes of FFI-VI are fakes then :eep:
I guess I meant to say that Sephiroth's motivation and personality were good to me compared to the other FF villains I've come across (and I'm sure other FF villains have been discussed already, I just can't be bothered to read the comments right now). It was just my odd little opinion (that I had a hard time articulating for some reason) :p
I know that the FFVII remake is fake, and that the FFI-VI remakes are real. I was being sarcastic...guess it doesn't translate too well over the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Crystal
I do to know about more game...I just don't think they had more of an inpact on the world than FFVIIQuote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboco:chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91Idiots!!!! Sephiroth has more powers, better looks, and a better weapon than any of those other fools who doesn't even kill a playable character. Heck, the game he's in even gets made into a two year later movie. I havn't seen anyother games turned into a movie and brings back the villan. One more thing, I also hear that they are making a remake of VII...well I don't know about all of you fools, but I don't hear that about any other games.Quote:
Originally Posted by darksword12
How quickly we forget about Tellah, Galuf, Minwu, the list goes on. The villian powers gets very complicated, disputed, and ends with lots of nerds yelling at each other so please don't get into that. And as for remakes, sequals, and movies, they say nothing about Sephiroth except that FFVII has lots of crazy fans that know nothing of the other games, kinda like you.
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Originally Posted by Disco PotatoI think I've read all the posts in the thread, but there's so many now that I'm probably repeating some stuff :p
Anyways, out of the FFs I've played, Sephiroth is my favorite villain, though not so much for his presence (which was still great imo, though the hair and sword could've been toned down), but for his personality combined with his background and motivation. His cold, calm, detached personality is not too exciting when compared to Kefka's, but combined with the revelation that he's basically a freak of nature and his reaction to it, and his decision to take revenge on the world for screwing him up, I thought it was very interesting. I don't know if that made sense, but yeah :p
So I guess those remakes of FFI-VI are fakes then :eep:Quote:
Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91
Well Inever heard of the other remakes until now..I guess they arn't much of an impact on the world.
Just becasuse YOU never heard of them?! The FF remakes are making great success. When Disco Potato talked about them, i said that i didn't knew them, because i was thinking in PS3 remakes. But then i remember that exist the FF remakes for GBA, and understanded that Disco Potato was talking about them. These remakes have a great impact on the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91
Oh really? Then why did you claim Sephiroth is the only villain to kill a playable character? And your opinion doesn't make something true, the first generation of FFs modernized storytelling in video games. The music and graphics of the originals were revolutionary. You claim things but you can't back it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91I do to know about more game...I just don't think they had more of an inpact on the world than FFVIIQuote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboco:chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91Idiots!!!! Sephiroth has more powers, better looks, and a better weapon than any of those other fools who doesn't even kill a playable character. Heck, the game he's in even gets made into a two year later movie. I havn't seen anyother games turned into a movie and brings back the villan. One more thing, I also hear that they are making a remake of VII...well I don't know about all of you fools, but I don't hear that about any other games.Quote:
Originally Posted by darksword12
How quickly we forget about Tellah, Galuf, Minwu, the list goes on. The villian powers gets very complicated, disputed, and ends with lots of nerds yelling at each other so please don't get into that. And as for remakes, sequals, and movies, they say nothing about Sephiroth except that FFVII has lots of crazy fans that know nothing of the other games, kinda like you.
About the "dark clouds" in AC, that i was arguing with Ryushikaze some time ago, exist some things that suport what i was saying, but i forgot about them, and didn't said anything.
"Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo are referred to as physical manifestations of Sephiroth's spirit and will three times in the English text, with the specific wording used in Japanese being something akin to "will bodies of Sephiroth's thoughts" on one of those occasions and "phantoms of Sephiroth" on another. Also, Kadaj is said to represent Sephiroth's cruelty, while Yazoo represents his allure and Loz represents his strength." That means that they ARE Sephiroth. And they can controll part of the Tainted Lifestream(TL), like when Kadaj corrupted the water in the Sleeping Forest. If they can manipulate the TL, that means that Sephiroth can do the same. They used the the TL to create the Shadow Creepers(SC) too, "because materia allows someone to tap into the Lifestream's energy and manifest it as a spell"(including Summons), and the SC are Summons(with capital "s"). But we never saw them in the game, meaning that they are created by TL.
Now lets see, the SHM that are "weak" parts of Sephiroth's will(compared with Sephiroth himself) can manipulate the TL and even create life with it(the SC)! I think that is not hard to understand that Sephiroth(much more powerful than the SHM) could use the TL to simply cover the sky. Even because he said that he wanted to use it to reshape the face of the planet, and after this, the "dark clouds" begun to descend to "attack" the planet.
If you are reading this Ryu, you are probably thinking "But the RF never directly said that the clouds are TL", and you are right. But i was(and i am) only trying to make you understand that sometimes, we don't need direct answers, because we have just to understand that 1+1=2.
That was Kadaj's own essence. Slightly different than controlling the Lifestream en masse.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Crystal
Does not follow. Bahamut Sin is not seen in game, but he's made from untainted Spirit Energy.Quote:
If they can manipulate the TL, that means that Sephiroth can do the same. They used the the TL to create the Shadow Creepers(SC) too, "because materia allows someone to tap into the Lifestream's energy and manifest it as a spell"(including Summons), and the SC are Summons(with capital "s"). But we never saw them in the game, meaning that they are created by TL.
At which they were incredibly ineffectual.Quote:
Now lets see, the SHM that are "weak" parts of Sephiroth's will(compared with Sephiroth himself) can manipulate the TL and even create life with it(the SC)! I think that is not hard to understand that Sephiroth(much more powerful than the SHM) could use the TL to simply cover the sky. Even because he said that he wanted to use it to reshape the face of the planet, and after this, the "dark clouds" begun to descend to "attack" the planet.
Actually, I'm thinking that you're still reaching. You want to say it's the Tainted Lifestream, show that it is. You want to say that the tainted lifestream represents a signifigant portion of the total lifestream, show evidence that it is. You want to prove any of your miriad claims about Sephy, then give me evidence.Quote:
If you are reading this Ryu, you are probably thinking "But the RF never directly said that the clouds are TL", and you are right. But i was(and i am) only trying to make you understand that sometimes, we don't need direct answers, because we have just to understand that 1+1=2.
This is in no way the same as simple arithmetic, and even if it were, simple math was proven, not 'just understood'. Show me the evidence or admit you cannot prove your claims.
Hell, why i did this? I don't even know why i begun this arguing again. Ryushikaze, you allways talk about how evidences and facts are important. But you ignore Yoshinori Kitase's word, ignore the fact that Sephiroth can controll the Tainted Lifestream even when he said that he would use(controll) it, you said the nonsense that the TL are dark clouds that appeared out of nowhere for any reason at all, and in this same thread you said that Kuja blew up a planet without presenting any evidence to prove it. I'm tired of hearing your BS. Sephiroth can controll the TL and the "clouds" are part of it, as explained by Sephiroth himself(he said that he would use the TL to "destroy" the world, and after saying this, the "clouds" begun to descend to destroy everything), but if you are so dumb to not understand something so simple and obvious like that, and want to belive in the nonsense and retarded "logic" that they are just normal dark clouds that Sephiroth summoned without any reason, this is your problem.
And by all your posts that i read until today in these forums, is very obvious that you love evidences and facts, but is very obvious that you think that your opinions are facts. I hate arrogant people and i'm tired of your arrogance with everyone that you talk, thinking that you are "the god of truth" and that you are allways right and everyone is wrong.
My computer is stinking because of your BS, and to end all of this i will just put you in my ignore list.
Sephiroth isn't the best villain. I'm quite fond of Vayne now from FFXII - he was pretty cunning, and didn't act like Kefka, which I liked - I just thought he was a bit more realistic then most villains.
Kefka, sure he's a good villain also but..I can't stand him.
Sephiroth was alright, but I don't know - I just don't see anything outstanding with him now. *shrugs*
As far as badass longhaired rogues with mommy issues... I'd have to say that Kaine rules them all.Kaine betrayed Cecil and kidnapped Rosa.
But that is neither here nore there. Everyone who knows anything knows Ultros is the top dog. I'll take Octopus Power over a overblown sewing needle and clown makeup anyday.
I think Sephiroth is pretty badass cuz when he((End of Spoiler XD)) he just smirks at Cloud and pulls his sword out!!Quote:
((Spoiler))kills Aeris
Unortunatly, most villians would do that.
he was kay i didnt like sephiroth much for obliviose reasons but i thought he was pretty basic a bad guy with long silver hair and black leather outfit and he was very pail and demented it sounds like a common bad guy idea he was very evil and determined he was a good bad guy for the series but i wouldnt call him the best
Sephiroth, a villian?
ugh... Ok, he's in Soldier. But I wouldn't consider him a villian.
Kuja/The Turks on the other hand, they are cool :)
Yay! someone else who hasn't been taken in by the boring villian!