Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

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Originally Posted by Psychotic

People have analysed what Sansa's letter said.

There's spoilers, I guess: (SPOILER)

http://imgur.com/a/p2mfe

So looks like we're going to have a LotR style Ride of the Rohirrim save at Winterfell.

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(SPOILER)I was thinking more along the lines of Gandalf the White coming in near the end of the TT battle with an army at his side, myself. But that seems to be where it's leading. If I had one major criticism for this season so far it's that it been largely predictable except for a few twists here or there.

As for the Arya scene, I'm just going to assume it's poor writing so I'm not disappointed if none of the theories out there ends up being true. Though if that's the case it's definitely going to be a serious low point in what has otherwise been a pretty decent season for the most part. The bait theory at least makes more sense than (SPOILER)it being Jaqen, or the more trippy the waif is actually a part of Arya's psyche and her killing Arya signifies her transformation into no one, but if that turns out to be true I'm going to be pissed.

Arya got stabbed 4-5 times and in one she twisted it as well. That's a lot of wound. It immediately reminded me of Talisa's stabbing, actually.

Anyway, apart from that I found the episode to be a bit of a lull.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Waif is part of Arya's psyche. No-one else can see the Waif apart from Arya and Jaqen.

I see two explanations for Arya walking through the streets after being stabbed and both male perfect sense frankly.

A) she's actually taking and laying a trap and wants them to think she's hurt while knowing she's alive. I find this the least likely if only because a plan that relies on getting stabbed in just the right place is a stupid plan.
B) she was, in fact, stabbed repeatedly in the gut and needs help. By the way, she needs help urgently of that's the case. Stabbed or shot in the gut is a good way to die a slow painful death and not something easily treated by yourself with some fancy first aid. She has no choice but to go looking for help, but realizes on the street that any of them could be faceless men planning to kill her and she can't trust a single person.

Whichever way you look at it her walking down the street makes a lot of sense.

Ayen! dont steal my job :P

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a long funny gif http://9gag.com/gag/aGxPrp0

The Hound told m so.. http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo...QO_700b_v2.jpg

GoT-Pokemon!! http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo...Wg_700b_v1.jpg

I'm going with B. Just because when she got out of the water (no one was around, the Waif had left) she was terrified and obviously in pain. Whose benefit was she doing that for? No one's.

Although Pheesh's post had a good point, that should could be laying a play, while being actively terrified at being stabbed. I'd ask why she wanted to leave Braavos the next morning if it were a trap/plan (although Faceless Men travel all over), so there's another argument there.

I think Arya gun die, guys. Unless she kills everyone in the House of Black and White, they'll always be coming for her. Especially if she slaughters them one by one.

I think if she was gonna die they would have been better off showing her die. This is, after all, Game of Thrones. To leave it with her still barely alive would be unusual, and would leave us with no POV character in the city to allow us to see what happens after. It all seems very Hound-like to me, and we've seen what happened to him. MIRACLE LIFE! Or something.

My prediction? The only person in that city capable and (vaguely) likely to save her would be Jaqen. I'm unaware of anyone else in the city who could stumble across her at this point and would be likely to save her.

But otherwise yeah she probably will die and in all honesty it would seem to be all rather pointless for all this plot in the grand scheme of things if she just got snuffed. I'm legit trying to think of a major character death that didn't come without some kind of reasoning or... something to justify the length of video spent on them.

Only other person who might save her... the lady from the play.

So at this stage while all logic says she should be dead, because of the fact she didn't die in that very episode I think she'll survive thanks to either the lady from the play or Jaqen. Or some new character or sudden magical "oh look who's back you thought they were gone forever" character. ...Gendry?

I didn't necessarily mean from this. Just that I find it unlikely she'll make it to the end of the series.

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

I think if she was gonna die they would have been better off showing her die. This is, after all, Game of Thrones. To leave it with her still barely alive would be unusual, and would leave us with no POV character in the city to allow us to see what happens after. It all seems very Hound-like to me, and we've seen what happened to him. MIRACLE LIFE! Or something.

My prediction? The only person in that city capable and (vaguely) likely to save her would be Jaqen. I'm unaware of anyone else in the city who could stumble across her at this point and would be likely to save her.

But otherwise yeah she probably will die and in all honesty it would seem to be all rather pointless for all this plot in the grand scheme of things if she just got snuffed. I'm legit trying to think of a major character death that didn't come without some kind of reasoning or... something to justify the length of video spent on them.

Only other person who might save her... the lady from the play.

So at this stage while all logic says she should be dead, because of the fact she didn't die in that very episode I think she'll survive thanks to either the lady from the play or Jaqen. Or some new character or sudden magical "oh look who's back you thought they were gone forever" character. ...Gendry?

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Why does no one jump on board the Syrio train with me!?

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Originally Posted by Psychotic

People have analysed what Sansa's letter said.

There's spoilers for the rest of the season, I guess: (SPOILER)

http://imgur.com/a/p2mfe

So looks like we're going to have a LotR style Ride of the Rohirrim save at Winterfell.

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Didn't they say they couldn't send Ravens cause it'd get intercepted. Maybe she sent this to get intercepted and the boltons change their forces to accommodate a force not there.

or no

that'd be too much. Probably just what it means.


Also I saw a picture of when Arya was in the House of Black and White where she saw the face that the waif used. So she knew that was the waif.

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I think if she was gonna die they would have been better off showing her die. This is, after all, Game of Thrones. To leave it with her still barely alive would be unusual

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A possibility (though I hope it's not true), is the reason she is shown as barely alive is because we wont hear from her for a while and she will re-appear and we'll think "She's recovered huzza" she returns to Westeros and promptly stabs Jon Snow or some other beloved character and it turns out she died off-screen and they've taken her face.

She's in next week's preview.

I don't want to sound super picky about stuff but I wonder if maybe we could avoid pointing out anything that's shown in the preview trailers without using spoiler tags. It's just that I personally don't watch them as I don't like to know a single thing about what's coming up in the next episode (I also don't read what the episode is called, I don't look at the screencaps for the download etc).

It's a small thing and I'm probably the only one but it would be much appreciated.

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Why does no one jump on board the Syrio train with me!?

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smurf yes! Someone to share this long and lonely ride with!

Found a picture of the rose she drew that I was referencing

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Tl;dw funnies
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The next episode is called 'No One' so you probably don't even need to watch the trailers to guess that Arya would feature. They might even pick it up from where it left off.

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Originally Posted by Pheesh

I don't want to sound super picky about stuff but I wonder if maybe we could avoid pointing out anything that's shown in the preview trailers without using spoiler tags. It's just that I personally don't watch them as I don't like to know a single thing about what's coming up in the next episode (I also don't read what the episode is called, I don't look at the screencaps for the download etc).

It's a small thing and I'm probably the only one but it would be much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Formalhaut

The next episode is called 'No One' so you probably don't even need to watch the trailers to guess that Arya would feature. They might even pick it up from where it left off.

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I mean... Just... Why?

Episode 8 has been leaked and oh my word that was awesome! Who would have thought that Arya would be the first GoT character to die from spontaneous combustion?!

A girl must not hold it in.

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smurf yes! Someone to share this long and lonely ride with!

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I want to believe.

we need more Lyanna Mormont http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/avPbMDb_700b.jpg

bubba, can you add me to the syrio train?

smurf Syrio, Gendry will finally stop rowing and arrive in Braavos to save the day.

I would like someone to come save her who... You know... Can actually save her. Not just sword fodder.

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smurf Syrio, Gendry will finally stop rowing and arrive in Braavos to save the day.

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i just want to have friends and be a part of something :(

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I would like someone to come save her who... You know... Can actually save her. Not just sword fodder.

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The greatest swordsman who ever lived, killed by Meryn smurfing Trant?

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I'm feeling pretty confidant that if we do get more Brotherhood Without Banners like they keep hinting at, we're going to see gendry! I think he went back to them! I hope. But I can see it happening.

I'd be surprised if he did given how they sold him out to Melly Sanders.

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I would like someone to come save her who... You know... Can actually save her. Not just sword fodder.

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The greatest swordsman who ever lived, killed by Meryn smurfing Trant?

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Bite your tongue. You take the greatest swordsman in Braavos, whose whole schtic is "what do we say to death? Not today", and add to that the show that loves to show every death in the most gruesome, gritty detail possible, and expect me to believe he's actually dead? Not smurfing today!

Any boy whore with a sword could beat three Meryn Trants.

He didn't have a sword though. All he had was a wooden stick, against three dudes with swords. I think given that, he actually held it together pretty decently.

The greatest swordsman who ever lived didn't have a sword?

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I want to believe.

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bubba, can you add me to the syrio train?

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Add psychotic to the tracks, about to be run over due to his blasphemy.

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Add psychotic to the tracks, about to be run over due to his blasphemy.

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Your friend's dead, and Meryn Trant's not, 'cause Trant had armour. And a big smurfing sword.

But he's dead now....

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Any boy whore with a sword could beat three Meryn Trants.

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Originally Posted by Pheesh

I don't want to sound super picky about stuff but I wonder if maybe we could avoid pointing out anything that's shown in the preview trailers without using spoiler tags. It's just that I personally don't watch them as I don't like to know a single thing about what's coming up in the next episode (I also don't read what the episode is called, I don't look at the screencaps for the download etc).

It's a small thing and I'm probably the only one but it would be much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Formalhaut

The next episode is called 'No One' so you probably don't even need to watch the trailers to guess that Arya would feature. They might even pick it up from where it left off.

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I mean... Just... Why?

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Forgive me for forgetting one line of your post, Pheesh. :colbert:

She likely won't T_T I know GRRM's wife made him promise to let Arya survive until the last book, and then who knows.

Then again D&D made no such promise and pretty much said 'smurf the books' on several occasions so anything goes. She could be dead by Season 7 the bastards.

And, Shai, you don't own the copyrights on posting GoT memes in the GoT threa--

http://i.imgur.com/iCQB02z.png

Oh trout. Don't sue me, sis!

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Originally Posted by Psychotic

People have analysed what Sansa's letter said.

There's spoilers for the rest of the season, I guess: (SPOILER)

http://imgur.com/a/p2mfe

So looks like we're going to have a LotR style Ride of the Rohirrim save at Winterfell.

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I don't know if I'm more impressed that someone deciphered that, or that they actually wrote out the entire thing for something we get a brief glimpse of.

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She likely won't T_T I know GRRM's wife made him promise to let Arya survive until the last book, and then who knows.

Then again D&D made no such promise and pretty much said 'smurf the books' on several occasions so anything goes. She could be dead by Season 7 the bastards.

And, Shai, you don't own the copyrights on posting GoT memes in the GoT threa--

http://i.imgur.com/iCQB02z.png

Oh trout. Don't sue me, sis!

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Damn right, ill forgive you this time.. Make sure it doesnt happen again

Syrio is from Braavos. Clearly he escaped and went home :cool:

I don't know what it is yet, but I think Jaqen is still testing the waif like he did Arya. She failed in her task to not let Arya suffer. She has shown that she still has enough of an identity to hold grudges. Plus, when Jaqen talks to her, referring to "a girl" is vague enough that he could really be talking about the waif to her face and she interpreted it as him talking about Arya.

I've seen some fans float the tinfoil theory that Syrio could really be Jaqen. When he flees in season 1, he's captured by Trant and taken to the black cells. He later calls out to Arya, who frees him.

I don't buy it, and there's no explanation as to why he would pretend to be a swordsman for a while, but I do like the basic premise that he's been there looking after her since season 1.

I doubt Martin has that in his plans, but serendipity like that may be too enticing for TV writers to ignore.

It feels a little too similar to Benjen if he turns out to still be alive after all this time.

Though I'll still mark out if he shows up and beats up the waif.

Well I believe the current Jaqen is different from the original Jaqen. Maybe it's the original Jaqen(who people think was syrio) that'll save her!

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Oh yeah as soon as I saw her I knew that'd be the Waif.

It hasn't been discussed too much, but I felt the Greyjoy scene to be oddly heartwarming. It was nice seeing Yara dispense the Ironborn's 'unique' method of therapy. Tough love is definitely Yara's bag, but you could really see the affection there. it was all pretty heartwarming. Bit of an odd choice taking Theon to a brothel, though. Yara seemed to enjoy herself.

I just heard episode 9 is going to be 60 minutes long while episode 10 is going to be 68 marking it as the longest episode to date.

My body is ready.

thats awesome!!

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0...a5&oe=5806E14D

Do you make that picture? 'Cause it's pretty awesome.

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no, i found it on the internet^^

Lady Mormont wouldn't have time to mess with no Faceless Men like Arya's doing. She'd burn the house of Black and White to the ground with 62 good men.

Faith Militant? 62 good men.

Frey and Lannister armies at your gate? 62 good men.

Three dragons and an army? 62 good men.

White Walkers? 62. Good. Men.

I was sure we'd seen the last of Actress Lady!
I knew Arya wasn't faking!
The Undying Lands, Arya. Into the West.
My last word will also probably be :bou::bou::bou::bou:s.
If Varys dies, heads are going to roll.
AHAHAHA yeah, Robert Strong, y'all.
HOLY trout HE PULLED HIS WHOLE HEAD OFF
Goddamn, Cersei getting the last word.
Aaaaw. Pod and Bronn. :heart:
I'm so glad Bronn was not hurting Pod as was previously believed.
Jaime's regressing. ;-;
puppy dog eyes Jaime ;-;
I think it's going to come to that, Jaime. ;-;
HO trout WUT NO TRIAL BY COMBAT
So...Cersei confirmed dead episode 9?
WHAT RUMOR GIMME DA GOSSIP
Grey Worm is really ridiculously handsome.
"Remind me not to tell that joke again when I'm sober."
That was a pretty good joke for a first ever joke.
Ahahaha this scene is what. xD I kind of love this.
Well, it looks like Dany is about to get a trout ton of ships.
Lots of talk about Catelyn this episode...LSH confirmed?
Blackfish is such a straight talking mothersmurfer, I love it.
"He's my lord, my lord." Not the most uh...eloquent of lines.
RIP Blackfish ;-;
Omg that wave. The feels.
Not surprised it was Dany. It's about time she got back to Mereen and actually DID SOMETHING.
Sassy Sandor is best Sandor.
Holy trout this bargaining is hilarious. xD
Wow, stealing the boots of a man as he's dying. xD
Sandor and Chicken, the love that shall never die.
Thoros' man bun
RIP Lady Crane
HARDCORE PARKOUR
"MY CABBAGES!"

Sooooo what was the point of the Arya plotline? Just learning assassin's creed skills?

Also, The totes denied me cleaganebowl and i'm sad.

And they killed off blackfish, just. like. that.

Everyone on Reddit seems to assume that Cleaganebowl won't happen because trial by combat isn't allowed anymore. But that's silly, Sandor would never defend any of those people. It could still happen. But I don't really care, I don't have a dog in that fight (pun kind of intended).

I think the point of the Arya plotline was to show her there are other lifestyles than revenge. Also to center her and show her what truly matters to her. Pretty anticlimactic, though.

So, the poorly written Arya scene of last week's episode was just a poorly written scene. Arya should be dead. I'm glad she isn't, though.

Blackfish didn't last long. Undead Mountain continues to be best Mountain. I wonder what Cersei plans to do now now that Trial by Combat is out. Saw the preview for next week and Bastard Bowl is on the way.

I'm still not 100% convinced Waif didn't kill Arya and take her face then cut off her own to make it super convincing so she could live a life as a lady. Though I hope Arya won.

Game of being killed off screen. More than one person this episode.

We've spent enough time with Black Fish that seeing his "one last stand" would have been a nice cap to his story.

Clegane vs Clegane could still happen, just not as a trial by combat. At least this way The Hound doesn't need to borrow one of Littlefinger's jet packs to make it there in time.

It would have made sense for the events of last weeks ending to be a ruse. Some kind of misdirection or a skillful trap. A girl who has trained with expert swordsmen and assassins surely wouldn't just walk around openly in a city where she's being pursued? Apparently she would.

She seemed to be stabbed as fatally as Talisa at the red wedding yet somehow she was able to do parkour and slide on her stomach beneath some food carts. This may be one of the only plotlines in the series that many fans genuinely consider a dud. To top it all off, the long chase scene which led to a dark room did a jump cut straight to the hall of faces.

I was always under the impression that joining the faceless men was something you couldn't back out of, but Jaqen might as well have given Arya a wink and a thumbs up as she was leaving.

It's always tragic when one of your favorite characters dies, but this may be the first time you have to willfully suspend your disbelief that one of them is alive.

I don't want Cleganebowl anymore due to the endless non stop GET HYPE wankery. Got bored of the idea long ago. Instead what we got this episode, the Clegane bros just going around wrecking people's trout? Much more fun!

Loved the Bronn and Pod reunion. :3: And really enjoyed Tyrion finally getting those squares to loosen up a little.

Psycho mode Waif was kind of scary. And then it ended with an anticlimax. I've never been an Arya fan though so I wasn't expecting too much anyway.

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Matthos Seaworth's bane. I particularly liked that Jaime said to Edmure that both Cersei and Catelyn would reduce cities to ash for their children.

I'm glad Arya's alive but the whole thing really fell flat. They had to do too much nonsense to even get her to a point where she could fight the Nameless Girl in the dark, and the whole chase scene felt like standard GoT sadism. Arya is still my favourite character but they should have done better with her.

Alternatively, Arya jumps down onto those stairs, rolls the whole way down creating a bloody fruit salad and lands in agony on the floor. The Girl closes in on her for a killing blow and then BAM, Syrio steps in between her and Arya, says something bad-ass and hilarious in his accent and then goes ham. I should be writing the smurfing show.

I can write a better GoT than you because I'd have the good sense to avoid the Braavos arc altogether. Oh, she needs to learn to give up revenge? Then what was the point of hanging out with the Hound? Wrap it up there with some revelations that "Oh my gosh, I'm turning into him!" and have Arya decide kicking White Walker tail is more important than revenge after seeing the BWB. Arya heads off north, gives Bran a hi-five and it turns out Needle is Valyrian Steel so she's chopping walkers left and right. Then suddenly she slips in the snow and is about to die at the hands of the Night King! I guess he stabs her a whole bunch in the guts and she somehow survives because magic. And then out of nowhere the ghost of Syrio Forel shows up, says "What do we say to the God of Death?" and then he and Arya both stab the Night King (it turns out his wooden sword was Valryian steel too) as they say in unison "Not today".

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I can write a better GoT than you because I'd have the good sense to avoid the Braavos arc altogether. Oh, she needs to learn to give up revenge? Then what was the point of hanging out with the Hound? Wrap it up there with some revelations that "Oh my gosh, I'm turning into him!" and have Arya decide kicking White Walker tail is more important than revenge after seeing the BWB. Arya heads off north, gives Bran a hi-five and it turns out Needle is Valyrian Steel so she's chopping walkers left and right. Then suddenly she slips in the snow and is about to die at the hands of the Night King! I guess he stabs her a whole bunch in the guts and she somehow survives because magic. And then out of nowhere the ghost of Syrio Forel shows up, says "What do we say to the God of Death?" and then he and Arya both stab the Night King (it turns out his wooden sword was Valryian steel too) as they say in unison "Not today".

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Yeah...but now she can do all that... in the dark!

Also he's not dead!

I personally I think all they had to do was not let her get stabbed 3 times and have her see the waif, react but get stabbed once before rolling into the river.

book spoilerThough they probably only sent her to Braavos in the first place becuase they didn't know how much book content they'd be cutting out. Three or so other plot points intersect with Braavos most of them were canceled so it just makes her plot isolated from everything else.

Personally I like the house of the dead and I like the city of Braavos as a concept so Im glad we got to see more of it even if it didn't advance any plots.

Another thing that bothered me is Jaqen said "Finally a girl is no one" after he just saw her betray all of his beliefs while she's pointing her old sword at him, she more someone than ever before. The only acceptable reasoning I can find behind this is if by "Finally a girl is no one" he means Arya is dead and when she replies "A girl is Arya Stark" she means I am Arya now and this was all a plot to find out information about Arya to take her place and have her assasinate someone.
Or waif was still in training and when he says a girl is no one he means her training is complete, that's why she took off her own face and was already impersonating Arya

You all suck.

Arya plotline is best plotline.

with Dondarion really being back in the picture now, I hope that a certain character will apear. that would sure stir things up.

phew.. dodged a bullet there. just when we all thought Pod might die it was all just a gag in the end. thank god..

I feel sad for Edmure :( betraying his own banner etc :(

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Hahahah, really? Maisie Williams kills it, though. She's what has made it at least bearable.

I will say the cutting to the HoBaW didn't bother me too much. They were fighting in the DARK. It's not like there's actually anything to see. Also, I really do hope the Waif killed Arya because it would actually redeem this boring ass plot, but I find it unlikely given that we saw her face on the wall. Also, what motives does she have? What is she going to do as Arya? Frankly, we just don't know enough about her or what she wants for that to happen. As it is, I never fully understood why she even hated Arya so much.

At this point, I'd honestly just like Sansa and Arya to reunite in Winterfell after they've booted the Boltons.

Ffs stark kids!http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo...0E_460s_v1.jpg
Terminator waif! http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aopE8eX_700b.jpg

10/10 would play http://9gag.com/gag/aqL9nb7

Arya's storyline doesn't make any sense but thankfully it has to be over. This isn't a JJ Abrams show so I don't think they are using the facesnatching angle. Get her out of there.

Cool to see the Brotherhood back and I like that they addressed the fact that the Brotherhood wouldn't allow those guys going around killing random groups of people. Hound has become one of the most interesting characters this season and he's only been in two episodes.

I'm the last person to complain about pacing being too fast, but I felt the Riverrun stuff was over too quickly. It was cool to see them resolve it in a way other than you would expect (as in a giant battle) but the Blackfish got an offscreen death that didn't do him justice and Brienne's involvement was pretty much pointless. It was nice to see the old Jamie who pushes kids off towers is still around though.

^ I need those GoT games in my life.

I really don't even mind the conclusion of her finding there's more out there than just getting revenge. There's such an easy fix for the Braavos storyline that honestly wouldn't have been asking much. Just have her lure the waif in the pitch black room from the start, do the trout with the candle, have her tell off Jaqen AND THEN cut to her going around town throwing money at people and getting passage back home. At least then it would make sense and no one would look like an idiot. Except for maybe Jaqen for just letting her walk, but eeh.

As for that Arya really being the waif, highly doubt it. Season Six has been largely predictable so far, and I have doubts D&D could even come up with something like that. No, that's the real Arya Stark and she's coming home.

Sklar Grey wrote a song for her and everything:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k84QxVJd0tI

Also, Blackfish dying off screen was bulltrout. But at least this episode sorted out the BWB confusion that happened last week. All the stuff with Pod, Bronn, Jaime, Brie, Tryion, Cersei, and Sandor were good. When Dany came in I half expected her to be like, "All right, which one of you smurfed up?"

I think maybe the Arya stuff is more lackluster because of the show stuff. There are far more characters and plotlines over in Essos in the books that they completely cut in the show. So who knows, her storyline may have some relevancy we don't know about bookwise. But the show, being different and treading new territory, I don't think it works as well.

That's fine, I just wish they handled it a little better via the show. I'm all down for sexy jesus and ninja skills.

i dont see that whole waif-is-arya theory either..
why would she go to westeros to be arya? what would she gain?

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i dont see that whole waif-is-arya theory either..
why would she go to westeros to be arya? what would she gain?

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Jon Snow.

She wants that Jon Snow booty.

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i dont see that whole waif-is-arya theory either..
why would she go to westeros to be arya? what would she gain?

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Jon Snow.

She wants that Jon Snow booty.

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sounds legit

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Arya is a young teenager. Young teenagers jump into situations they don't fully understand because it's what they think they want, realize it was a mistake, and go find something else. It might not be relevant to the grand scheme of everything in the world, but it's relevant for her as a person. It's what young kids do.

ALSO. WHERE IS VARYS GOING

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No idea, though I wonder if we'll see... Book Spoilerthe scene where he kills Kevan. Because that's the vibe I'm getting.

D&D claim that after this season there are only 12 episodes left before the series is wrapped up, so that might explain why the pacing's been a little faster this time around. It's why I'm expecting Possible spoiler, I guessthe white walkers to tear down the wall before this season is over, and start marching south, especially if it's true they're going to cut it down to six episodes next season.

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I just can't see that being the case. There is way too much still to happen, and given how slowly it has built up, it would be very, very insane to suddenly see dragons and white walkers just walking into Westeros and causing problems at all corners. I think there are at least two more seasons after this one, possibly up to four or five more. Especially when you consider that Mr. Martin has to try and keep some vague semblance of keeping up with his books.

No idea who D&D are, mind you.

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I just can't see that being the case. There is way too much still to happen, and given how slowly it has built up, it would be very, very insane to suddenly see dragons and white walkers just walking into Westeros and causing problems at all corners. I think there are at least two more seasons after this one, possibly up to four or five more. Especially when you consider that Mr. Martin has to try and keep some vague semblance of keeping up with his books.

No idea who D&D are, mind you.

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David Benioff and DB Weiss. The show creators.

It seems like wishful thinking on their part, however.

BoB, that's confirmed. There will be two more seasons with 6 or 7 episodes each (I read 13 episodes left, Ayen). They are wrapping up the story.

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BoB, that's confirmed. There will be two more seasons with 6 or 7 episodes each (I read 13 episodes left, Ayen). They are wrapping up the story.

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Yeah, you're right. Did a quick Google search about it to double check.

Wow, that's disappointing. :( Doesn't feel anything remotely close to a climax at the moment. I'm guessing the White Walkers strike at the end of this season then, with dragons coming into Westeros around the same time. Sucks though, was hoping for a lot more than that. I guess they want to finish before they run out of "omg" moments.

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Wow, that's disappointing. :( Doesn't feel anything remotely close to a climax at the moment. I'm guessing the White Walkers strike at the end of this season then, with dragons coming into Westeros around the same time. Sucks though, was hoping for a lot more than that. I guess they want to finish before they run out of "omg" moments.

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Seriously? Just 13 episodes? I'm with BoB. Things don't seem like they've wrapped up enough in the local stories. I mean, they really rushed that Riverlands plot, which was disappointing. The end of Arya's Braavos arc was slightly sub-par. Honestly, I'd rather they didn't rush everything. They already screwed Dorne over royally.

The world just got too big. Each season it seemed to get bigger instead of coming to a critical mass and starting to shrink down to resolution. Only in this season has it started to do that. It's unlikely that even Martin will be able to bring it together in two more gigantic books. He'll probably even expand it further.

Without knowing the resolution to every storyline in advance due to the work in progress nature of the source material, the show creators weren't able to pace it effectively. They didn't know which storylines were noncritical since the ending hasn't yet been written. Now that they are faced with the fatigue of running a major show like this for such a long time, they are forced to speed things up which makes resolutions a lot more predictable compared to earlier on. I expect this pacing to continue for the remaining 15 episodes. It kind of sucks but it does give the show an 8-year run which is pretty long by today's standards. Also it is cool to actually see loose ends being tied up.

It's possible the books will come to the same resolutions as the show but get there in a more nuanced way. Or Martin could just do something completely different.

Nah, the 13 or whatever episodes left feels right.

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So what I want to happen:

Jon comes back, takes up his rightful place as a stark or Targaryen, come on tower of joy, confirm that and then Ramsey comes to take sansa at the wall. And so there's a battle, The battle of the "Bastards". And mid fight BOOOOOMMMMMMM The wall comes crumbling down and the White walkers start making their way through. And then Zombies eat Ramsey.

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I still want this.

SPOILER FOR EPISODE TITLES CAUSE PHEESH DOESN'T WANT TO KNOW

Ep 9 is titled Battle of the Bastards and Episode 10 is The Winds of Winter.

So I totes called the episode title of 9. If I call the wall crumbling down you should all declare me the prophet

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So what I want to happen:

Jon comes back, takes up his rightful place as a stark or Targaryen, come on tower of joy, confirm that and then Ramsey comes to take sansa at the wall. And so there's a battle, The battle of the "Bastards". And mid fight BOOOOOMMMMMMM The wall comes crumbling down and the White walkers start making their way through. And then Zombies eat Ramsey.

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I still want this.

SPOILER FOR EPISODE TITLES CAUSE PHEESH DOESN'T WANT TO KNOW

Ep 9 is titled Battle of the Bastards and Episode 10 is The Winds of Winter.

So I totes called the episode title of 9. If I call the wall crumbling down you should all declare me the prophet

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Are you the Prince(ess) that was promised?

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Also, I really do hope the Waif killed Arya because it would actually redeem this boring ass plot, but I find it unlikely given that we saw her face on the wall. Also, what motives does she have? What is she going to do as Arya? Frankly, we just don't know enough about her or what she wants for that to happen. As it is, I never fully understood why she even hated Arya so much.

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Theories:

Removing one's own face is the final ritual to becoming no one.

The house was given a name of someone is Westeros only Arya can get close to (Jon? Sansa?) and the house was either going to train Arya to truly become no one so she can kill them or if she went against the teachings, kill her and take her face so that the waif could become her and perform the assassination.

The Waif knew if Arya failed she would be the final test in becoming a true faceless man so she didn't attempt to form attachments. Not that she would form attachments anyway as she is trying to become no one.

And all the stuff she did and said to Jaqen afterwards? Well she's already in character

Those are good theories, BMN. I like them and how they answered my questions. I'm not sure I'm on board with them (although I think it would make the plot SO much more interesting) but they certainly give the Waif a motive for wanting to become Arya/take her place.

How would you remove your own face without, you know, killing yourself?

Other than that, I really like that explanation. It's an incredibly good theory. So good, that every scene with Arya now is me ever so slightly suspicious that she's actually the Waif.

How did Jaqen drink the poison without dying?

Faceless Men are metal af, Formy. :p

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Well, smurf.

Also another thing I thought would be picked up on but didn't: the Waif clearly showed emotion by not just killing Arya quickly and painlessly (like was asked of her) and instead stabbed her in the stomach, and twisting the knife. I thought that would be exploited somehow against the Waif, showing that she's just as bad at following orders as Arya is.

It's funny, had D&D proven themselves actual competent writers in their own right when they aren't following GRRM's blueprints I would actually be worried of this theory coming true, but since they've proven time and time again to not be, I've nothing to fear. :p This is as likely to happen as finding out Arya allowed herself to get stabbed on purpose last week.

Had this been their plan there would be no subtly. The waif would be shown killing Arya on screen and taking her face when the episode ended just for the reaction alone. Jaqen said what he did as a setup for Arya's line. Nothing more.

Confirmed: Arya is Wolverine.

Stabbed multiple times in the belly. Don't worry though because an actress is on hand to perform major abdominal surgery leading to a near full recovery within 24 hours. Just a nice long sleep and she's all set to go running round the streets unhampered.

Bollocks.

To be fair, I think we're meant to assume at least a couple of days have past. I don't think anyone would be like Arya was after 24 hours. It's just really hard to show the passage of time.

Even a couple of days is unrealistic. Ah well, I'll let it slide. I'm just glad Arya (if it is her) has finished with the whole Faceless God saga because it was becoming very tedious.

It's a shame Westeros is so sexist. If this woman was on hand to tend to King Robert's wounds back in Season One he wouldn't have died.

While we're on the subject, UGH why did Lady Crane have to die? She was my favourite side character! I mean, sure, I am somewhat biased: I love Essie Davis as an actress (she's fantastic in Miss Fisher) and I just wanted that whole sub-plot to just... end nicer.

If I have to be honest, season six has been great but the last two episodes have been markedly less impressive to me than before.

Next week is gearing up to be epic though. I love a good battle!

Not every episode can knock it out of the park, I guess, as much as any TV show wish they could.

I'd hate to say it, but I have a feeling that (SPOILER)Rickon is going to die.

As far as Arya running through the streets while still recovering: she could run or she could die. And she also tore open her stitches in the process. I'm not seeing the problem. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.

I just found this whole bit of the plot pointless. It would have been so much better if Arya killed the Waif the first time she blew out the candle. Instead, we had that epic moment of her recovering needle and going back to bed and blowing the candle out..... then next time we see her she's running about clear as day throwing bags of gold down and gets stabbed in the stomach really badly, then falls into a troutty river - people have died from less in this show. But no, she escapes, is tended by this woman, then is chased around again - is able to do parkour, fall down a trout load of steps - and THEN she snuffs the candle out again. It just felt like, overly cinematic. She can then kill the Waif, slice her face off, and walk around in the House of B&W looking uninjured.

THEN to add to this pile of slop, Ja'qen reveals that a girl really is no one - and she replies with "No I'm Arya Stark man" and he's just like "Ayyyyyyyyyy!"

This was Sand Snakes bad, I can't defend it at all.

Remember guys:

Arya stabbed multiple times in the gut, falls down about 50 steps: walks it off

Khal Drogo, one of the greatest warriors of all time, dies of a scratch

The plot armor is real.

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As far as Arya running through the streets while still recovering: she could run or she could die. And she also tore open her stitches in the process. I'm not seeing the problem. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.

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I agree. Her life was in danger, adrenaline can do a lot.

And honestly, even without adrenaline, you'd better believe I'd be doing my best to block out the pain and run like hell.

And we're seriously going to complain about a girl surviving being stabbed in the abdomen but another guy dying because of an infection caused by a small injury? Welcome to the real world. People survive horrific trauma all the time that you'd think would kill them while others die from the most mundane things imaginable. And honestly, based on where she was stabbed I'm not convinced that the blade couldn't have missed major organs.

Long story short, I've got no problem suspending my disbelief on this because stranger things happen in real life every single day.

Yes, we seriously are. :p

The stabbing bit I can reason with. But like Night Fury said, the earlier part with her blowing out the candle felt like it was building up to something. Then suddenly, she's walking around with hardly a care.

My personal view is that the conclusion to her Braavos arc could have ended so much better, with a myriad of different possibilities as outlined by the many theories and 'what ifs' in this thread. Having said that, the overall Braavos plot wasn't bad. I liked Arya's developing of the self and moving away from pure vengeance to mercy, which actually mirrors slightly how the Hound is moving away from 'no morals or creed, killing for the sake of killing' to 'a semblance of decency'.

Thematically, I liked Arya's plot. But yeah that ending was just awful. Everything up to her saving Lady Crane was good. Everything after that went a bit of a shambles.

The whole time she was laying in bed I was like "alright when's the waif gonna show up?" I wonder if Arya hadn't made any noise and gotten up if the waif would have known she was there?

I think had they just cut out the critical stabbing, maybe it wouldn't have been so bad. Yeah maybe she does cut her or hurt her by surprise but then cut to the terminator scene chase. Just omit the Lady Crane thing. Omit the stabbing and twisting. Hell, Injure Arya but not as badly. Show that her act was to lure her out and then lead her to the room. Adding in the gut stabbing and Lady Crane thing just added unnecessary "tension" that made the arya plot weaker. D & D probably fell so in love with their Lady Crane character they wanted to feature her more and they probably wanted the arya thing to feel as if there was a "more real sense of danger" but they ended up making it weaker.

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Unfortunately, falling in love with a minor character often means their death. Ugh. I don't like that she died.

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And honestly, even without adrenaline, you'd better believe I'd be doing my best to block out the pain and run like hell.

And we're seriously going to complain about a girl surviving being stabbed in the abdomen but another guy dying because of an infection caused by a small injury? Welcome to the real world. People survive horrific trauma all the time that you'd think would kill them while others die from the most mundane things imaginable. And honestly, based on where she was stabbed I'm not convinced that the blade couldn't have missed major organs.

Long story short, I've got no problem suspending my disbelief on this because stranger things happen in real life every single day.

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This is the part where I'd argue until I remember the story where the man shot in the head survives, but the woman shot in the arm dies at the hospital, so damn you and your rational argument making me reconsider my stance! :p

They still made Arya look idiotic as hell last week and Starks acting dumb when they should know better is really getting old.

Yeah, when you hear about people surviving things like bullets or knives to the brain, or even the removal of half the brain, and continuing to function quite normally while others cut themselves gardening and lose limbs, the things characters survive or get killed by seem a lot less ridiculous sometimes.

To me, the least believable survival in the show still feels like Bran to me, but since people have survived falls from 30,000 feet without parachutes in the right circumstances all I can say is my feelings don't know trout.

For all those saying "oh but it's Waif in disguise" - I know they can change their face, but can they also change their body height to such degrees? Pretty sure Arya was shortstuff compared to Waif. I'm not 100% certain though. I mean, Waif's disguise was literally peeled off her face and that was it. I tried slowing it down but I couldn't see any obvious other changes that happened. Dunno.

EDIT: Someone mentioned "But then how did Jaqen survive the poison he gave to the guy?" - The Princess Bride explains this well.

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Oh, my god! xD

It seemed like Arya's plan was to lure stupid girl into the candle room and murder her the entire time. She couldn't do that if she wasn't walking around to get seen. The plan hit a serious snag when Arya was stabbed, but in the end it worked out well enough. It seemed fairly obvious to me that Arya was luring the girl to her dark room during the chase, intentionally leaving trails of blood to make sure she was found.

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It seemed like Arya's plan was to lure stupid girl into the candle room and murder her the entire time. She couldn't do that if she wasn't walking around to get seen. The plan hit a serious snag when Arya was stabbed, but in the end it worked out well enough. It seemed fairly obvious to me that Arya was luring the girl to her dark room during the chase, intentionally leaving trails of blood to make sure she was found.

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I get everything except her getting stabbed. Surely she must have been more cautious. I understand flaunting her money and being visible, but after that, I'd be making my way back to the candle room of death, not hanging out on a bridge wistfully staring at the statue.

Even then, if that was their intent it seemed poorly executed.

Ridiculous nitpickers.

I do like the theory that getting the Waif into the dark room was her plan the whole time. I'd buy that for a nickel.

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It seemed like Arya's plan was to lure stupid girl into the candle room and murder her the entire time. She couldn't do that if she wasn't walking around to get seen. The plan hit a serious snag when Arya was stabbed, but in the end it worked out well enough. It seemed fairly obvious to me that Arya was luring the girl to her dark room during the chase, intentionally leaving trails of blood to make sure she was found.

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I think a lot of us WANT that to be the real explanation. Because otherwise, the show has become bafflingly stupid with her storyline. That was the immediate thought that I had with this whole thing, but try as I might, it just doesn't FIT.

It makes no sense that she would risk getting stabbed a bunch of times by a trained assassin. Before this week's episode aired I thought she had faked it. Like she had a fake blood pouch or something in there to simulate blood. But that would have been very very risky anyway, trying to figure out precisely where she would be stabbed.

But then it turns out that she really DID get stabbed in the gut. How the smurf did it not hit vital organs? Or her intestinal tract?? That kind of stab wound is serious business! And let's say she was planning a trap, even if she assumed that Waif wouldn't immediately give her killing blows, how the smurf could she have predicted that Waif would wait until Arya led her ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CITY and to her little cave before finishing her?? That makes zero sense.

And she's running a marathon threw the city, bleeding the smurf all over the place, jumping through rivers and crashing down stairs. It's just too much. Way too much disbelief needed for any of this to make a lick of sense.

It's not nitpicking when the plot holes are smurfing GIGANTIC.

The problem is examining a small clunk in the story by itself isn't so bad. How did Sansa and Theon survive that fall off of Winterfell's castle walls? Who knows, but it was the only 'clunk' that didn't seem to fit, so it is pretty easy to forgive and forget.

But with the last two episodes of Arya's story in Braavos, just so many different things clunked or didn't make sense in rather quick succession, before the gears of logic start to slow or even stop. As I mentioned previously - I actually can understand that she could in theory be stabbed multiple times and for those wounds not to be fatal. With the time skip of about a few days, I can about see that through adrenalin she would be able to make her flee the Waif and kill her (though she probably would need medical attention after leaving the House of Black and White).

That, in isolation, isn't so bad. It's just in unison with the inconsistencies and puzzling actions exhibited by Arya leading up to that stabbing, the entire scene doesn't work. I don't feel quite as strongly about this as Miriel, because Arya's story overall has been good thematically, but I do agree with her that there's enough 'clunks' in the previous two episodes for me to say that it simply doesn't work.

It isn't 'Dorne' levels of bad, but it is bad.

I'm happy to buy the theory that Arya's 50% smurfing lucky and 50% a good improviser, and Terminator Waif just got too cocky for her own good.

Nothing that happened from Arya's point of view bore any resemblance to anything approaching a plan more complex than "Oh damn I'm about to die let's run to the place I hid my sword at". And to be fair, a plan is only ever as good as the results it produces so... by that measure it was genius.

Adrenaline ain't going to help you though when septicaemia sets in from swimming through a river of literal trout water.

I find it a little amusing that Arya is the only Stark in GoT history to survive certain death.

I'm going to laugh if T-1000 Waif return in Season Seven and tries to kill Arya again. I wouldn't even be surprised.

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I think a lot of us WANT that to be the real explanation. Because otherwise, the show has become bafflingly stupid with her storyline. That was the immediate thought that I had with this whole thing, but try as I might, it just doesn't FIT.

It makes no sense that she would risk getting stabbed a bunch of times by a trained assassin. Before this week's episode aired I thought she had faked it. Like she had a fake blood pouch or something in there to simulate blood. But that would have been very very risky anyway, trying to figure out precisely where she would be stabbed.

But then it turns out that she really DID get stabbed in the gut. How the smurf did it not hit vital organs? Or her intestinal tract?? That kind of stab wound is serious business! And let's say she was planning a trap, even if she assumed that Waif wouldn't immediately give her killing blows, how the smurf could she have predicted that Waif would wait until Arya led her ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CITY and to her little cave before finishing her?? That makes zero sense.

And she's running a marathon threw the city, bleeding the smurf all over the place, jumping through rivers and crashing down stairs. It's just too much. Way too much disbelief needed for any of this to make a lick of sense.

It's not nitpicking when the plot holes are smurfing GIGANTIC.

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If she was trying to lure her in, I'd imagine she didn't expect waif to attack her in the open like that and to try for some privacy. A bad bet as it turned out but not necessarily an unreasonable assumption. The problem is making assumptions at all can get you killed of course.

Aside from that, of everything else that happened to her, the only part that stretches believability a bit is how non-serious the writers think a stab to the intestinal tract would be, but they at least tried to address the injuries by having someone treat her and we're never given a reason to believe any repair to her intestines has ruptured in the chase (and from the angle of the blade it's unlikely any other organs would have been hit), and if we're all going to be totally honest, the majority of shows and movies don't portray wounds realistically anyway. Even this one sometimes.

So I have no problem ignoring this myself. Hell, I think calling it a plot hole is a pretty big stretch. Something being portrayed unrealistically and characters making bad decisions are not plot holes. We can certainly debate amongst ourselves whether we think the story works as a whole for any of these reasons, but it's still not plot holes.

And while we may go running to the antibiotics whenever we have such injuries these days Fury, it is entirely possible to be stabbed and go for a dive and not actually pick up an infection you can't fight off. Arya is absolutely probably the luckiest person in the show not named Sandor Clegane or Jon Snow right now, but it's not exactly unrealistic.

Clegane survived due to necromancy, and Jon was revived by the Red Woman. I just thought the whole thing was daft and terribly written, really.

EDIT: you meant other Clegane. He's had a long recovery time I would have assumed for his injuries and has been resting up and hasn't been performing parkour.

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I'm going to laugh if T-1000 Waif return in Season Seven and tries to kill Arya again. I wouldn't even be surprised.

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As mentioned earlier, Bran's fall was just as, if not more, life threatening that Arya's stabbing.

Re Bran - there were consequences to his fall. He was in a coma and lost his ability to walk.

I am just glad that Arya is still alive and going home. I bet if she was killed off all of her fans would absolutely go berserk.

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Oh, I most certainly would. I'm not going to lie. And if the writing was good it'd be more frustrating because I could only be mad at the death itself. Like I was with Shireen last season. It's a double edged sword, really. I just tend to be more critical of shows and plotlines I like even if the reverse would work against me.

I'll likely forget about this whole thing by next week, but right now I'm enjoying the discussion.

I'm just hoping she will go back to hopefully help out the rest of her siblings! :-D

Maybe she'll return to the Riverlands and reunite with Sandor before something calls the BWB up North to meet up with Jon and Sansa and we get a Stark family reunion on top of the Hound and Sansa reuniting, but that's probably asking for waaaaaaay too much.

I don't understand the whole 'West of Westeros' bit, but I can forgive that being a motivation since for all Arya knows the rest of her family is dead and she was always an explorer at heart. I can't see them isolating her in another part of the world when they want to wrap the series up in thirteen more episodes, though.

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I think Cersei is too confident going into a potential trial by combat. Her attitude is "I've got the Mountain so checkmate" but I can't imagine the sparrows haven't kept that in mind.

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Also WADDUP :smug:

In regards to Cersei's plotline, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw her killed off at this point. It would appear that is Margaery's chief goal, as I assume she hates Cersei for what she did to her and Loras, and it's certainly heading in that direction. Initially I thought Jaime would be the sacrificial Lannister this season but I'm starting to think he'll arrive back in King's Landing just in time to see her hung or something else equally dramatic.

One thing I'll note is we don't know how long she was in that bed resting up for. It's entirely possible that she was actually there for more than just the one night to recover. Unlikely, but if it helps you guys sleep at night then you can go with that.

I've just kinda got over the whole Arya stab wounds thing though.

Cersei won't die before Tommen. I would guess all the faith buildup is the how and why he dies. It's possible Margaery kills him, but who knows? Afterwards, would there be anyone to legally claim the throne? I guess there's two Lannister males left, not counting Tyrion. It wouldn't make much since for Tywin's brother take take the throne plotwise, but it would be really interesting if that meant Jaime took it. Especially because it opens broader reasons for the Breinne x Jaime romance plot. He could now that he's not kingsguard and that would be particularly interesting since he killed a former king.

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Cersei won't die before Tommen. I would guess all the faith buildup is the how and why he dies. It's possible Margaery kills him, but who knows? Afterwards, would there be anyone to legally claim the throne? I guess there's two Lannister males left, not counting Tyrion. It wouldn't make much since for Tywin's brother take take the throne plotwise, but it would be really interesting if that meant Jaime took it. Especially because it opens broader reasons for the Breinne x Jaime romance plot. He could now that he's not kingsguard and that would be particularly interesting since he killed a former king.

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You're forgetting that no Lannister has claim to the throne. Barratheons do at present. It would be some long-lost fifteenth cousin of Robert.

EDIT: Interesting little bit on this - http://www.bustle.com/articles/10983...6-could-have-a

And before anyone says it: no, Gendry will not and CAN NOT take the throne. He's a bastard, and an unrecognized one at that.

Unless he was somehow legitimised. Exactly who would do that, I have no idea. Almost no-one knows that he has Baratheon blood.

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Unless he was somehow legitimised. Exactly who would do that, I have no idea. Almost no-one knows that he has Baratheon blood.

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Melisandre knows.

And Davos. But their word honestly doesn't mean anything. Robert isn't around to recognize his son (which isn't the same as legitimizing him).

#LegitimizeGendry2016
#MakeWesterosGreatAgain
#Row2KingsLanding

Some theories on what the rumor Cersei heard was about wildfyre. The stashes that the mad king left and she'll end up trying to burn it all down and Jaime will have to kill her too like he did before.

Just a theory but very interesting if so.

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Cersei won't die before Tommen. I would guess all the faith buildup is the how and why he dies. It's possible Margaery kills him, but who knows? Afterwards, would there be anyone to legally claim the throne? I guess there's two Lannister males left, not counting Tyrion. It wouldn't make much since for Tywin's brother take take the throne plotwise, but it would be really interesting if that meant Jaime took it. Especially because it opens broader reasons for the Breinne x Jaime romance plot. He could now that he's not kingsguard and that would be particularly interesting since he killed a former king.

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You're forgetting that no Lannister has claim to the throne. Barratheons do at present. It would be some long-lost fifteenth cousin of Robert.

EDIT: Interesting little bit on this - http://www.bustle.com/articles/10983...6-could-have-a

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Those long lost fifteenth cousins are none other than the Lannisters actually.

How do they fit into the bloodlines? I'm seeing that Lannisters have claims via marriage but not via bloodline.

You realize literally all of the great houses of Westeros are interconnected, right? They've all got ties through blood and marriage.

I saw a neat Targaryen bloodline family tree recently.

http://img13.deviantart.net/2a70/i/2..._m-da5q943.jpg

Pictures from the new episode! I'm not putting this first one in spoiler tags cause it's just a profile of Jon and Sansa so it's not spoiling anything really. Sansa looks Regal as smurf

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Rest in spoiler!

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Those are stills from the episode so they are spoilers!

more photo talk and the synopsis!

Jon DOESN'T have longclaw in that one photo of him standing!

Also the synopsis, it's a short one: “Terms of surrender are rejected and accepted.”

Thoughts?

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Tommen has to die before Cersei. The prophecy said she would see all her kids die and it's been 2/3 true so far. My guess is that it would happen right before Daenerys storms Westeros since an unclaimed throne would throw the whole continent into chaos. Who will claim it from the Lannister/Barentheon side will be tough to pin down, but try this theory on for size:

1. Margery gets herself pregnant
2. Tommen is killed
3. Margery gives birth and then dies (or Cersei has her killed)
4. Cersei tries to install herself as Queen Regent for her grandson

That results in perhaps a 3-way war (or even 4-way depending on what Littlefinger is up to) between Lannister/Tyrell vs. Jon "Snow" & The North vs. Daenerys(/Greyjoy? /Martell?). Eventually the Wall comes down and they all have to put things aside to put fire to those icy walkers. Not sure who ends up alive at the end of that but I would assume one of those claims sits the throne in the end. Hell, I would not be disappointed if the whole thing throws a curveball at us and the smurfing Night King sits on that damn throne.

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How do they fit into the bloodlines? I'm seeing that Lannisters have claims via marriage but not via bloodline.

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The Lannisters are descendants of Corwen Baratheon. The seed is strong, I guess.

http://mashable.com/2016/05/03/game-.../#0BeibdGUFuqV

Of course, Jaime has now been fired from the Kingsguard so not only is he heir to Casterly Rock...

All the predictions I'm seeing basically has Cersei burning down King's Landing unintentionally killing her last son in the process and Book Spoilerget show Jaime caught up with book Jaime in hating her. The fact she has no Trial of Combat means Cersei is backed up against a wall, and the last time she was backed up to a wall a king died and Ned's fate was sealed.

And if they burn down King's Landing I say good riddance. I kind of want this to be true if only because I love the mental image of Dany getting to Westeros only to find King's Landing and the Iron Throne burnt to ashes :p

It would be cruel to Jaime, the thing he sacrificed his honour to prevent happening at the hands of his lover.

Which will make it that much more heartbreaking and poignant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ2ZWLXvZ3Y

At first I agreed with everyone that it was ridiculous for Jaqen just let Arya go with no apparent consequences but on further thought it makes sense. The faceless men do not kill out of revenge or justice, it would go against their religion to take more names than they are given. Arya's betrayal meant she owed them one name and face, and she gave them one. The house may have lost a disciple but the living do not matter to the god of death, it only cares about the names it is promised and given.

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At first I agreed with everyone that it was ridiculous for Jaqen just let Arya go with no apparent consequences but on further thought it makes sense. The faceless men do not kill out of revenge or justice, it would go against their religion to take more names than they are given. Arya's betrayal meant she owed them one name and face, and she gave them one. The house may have lost a disciple but the living do not matter to the god of death, it only cares about the names it is promised and given.

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Ohhhhhhh.

Okay, that does make sense. I completely forgot about that fact to them. Okay.

My bad.

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And if they burn down King's Landing I say good riddance. I kind of want this to be true if only because I love the mental image of Dany getting to Westeros only to find King's Landing and the Iron Throne burnt to ashes :p

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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...throne-got.gif

Before this season had even begun I read (what was claimed to be) an extra's account of exactly how the battle plays out. "Haha! Surely this will be nonsense!" I thought. Probably just some internet troll.

Then I watched as every single piece fell into place in accordance with what had been written, and welp. Turns out maybe that leak was legit after all. Still looking forward to this!

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Originally Posted by Kalevala

Before this season had even begun I read (what was claimed to be) an extra's account of exactly how the battle plays out. "Haha! Surely this will be nonsense!" I thought. Probably just some internet troll.

Then I watched as every single piece fell into place in accordance with what had been written, and welp. Turns out maybe that leak was legit after all. Still looking forward to this!

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Do you have a link?

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aDG014d_700b.jpg

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p.s sorry for double post

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Originally Posted by Kalevala

Before this season had even begun I read (what was claimed to be) an extra's account of exactly how the battle plays out. "Haha! Surely this will be nonsense!" I thought. Probably just some internet troll.

Then I watched as every single piece fell into place in accordance with what had been written, and welp. Turns out maybe that leak was legit after all. Still looking forward to this!

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Do you have a link?

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BIG SPOILERS FROM UPCOMING EPISODE, EPISODE 9, DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW AS IT HASN'T AIRED YET

This is from an extra on set and was posted online months before the season aired.
So the armies meet outside Winterfell, Boltons outnumber the Stark side 6 to 1. So Jon Snow is on his horse and strolls down to the front of the army, where he stands with Tormund. At this point, Ramsey has Rickon Stark, and says "Run... or don't run at all!" So Rickon Stark runs down the hill towards Jon Snows army, Ramsey takes his bow and begins to take shots at Rickon while he flees, Jon realises and gallops to save him, just before he reaches him, Ramsey hits Rickon, (not confirmed if he died or not). Davos on his horse tells the Stark army to follow their commander, the Stark army charges, wildlings go crazy and follow Tormund and Wun Wun into battle, calvary charge. Ramsey sends his calvary in to meet the Stark army, whilst his archers fire down on Jon, a massive calvary clash occurs and arrows from the Boltons kill both sides of their calvary and infantry. From the dead bodies, a huge wall is created, blocking the route to the Boltons directly, Davos tells his archers to aim and pauses, then tells them to halt as they'd hit their own men, so they charge into battle too. Once all the starks are in the mix, Great Jon(Small Jon) asks the Boltons "who owns the north? Who owns the north? Show me!" The rest of the Bolton army charge into the depleted Stark army by surrounding them with tall Shields and pikes, the Stark army in shock, look around not aware of what's going on, Shields form and completely encircle the Stark army, pikes lower and the Boltons advance, basically like a circle getting smaller and smaller, slaughtering any Stark solider through the forest of pikes, forcing every soilder to squeeze so tight they can barely lift arms, the exhausted and hopeless Stark force cram towards the dead body pile as their only escape if they climb, many attempt it only to get hacked down by Bolton soldiers on top of the pile, they charge down the pile to slaughter the remaining force. At some stage Great/Small Jon walks down the pile and has a boss battle with Tormund, of course Tormund wins. And Wun Wun does his bit of trying to break the wall. Jon, Davos and Tormund tell their men to push back and not cram into eachother, I'm guessing it gets dramatic at this point, it got pretty emotional just acting this part, a noise in the distance brings Jon to look over his shoulder, the Knights of the Vale arrive, Sansa and Peter tell the calvary army to charge into the rears of the pike circle, eventually destroying the Boltons and saving what was left of the Stark force. In shock, Ramsey flees to Winterfell without an army, the Boltons of the keep close the doors to hear a loud smash, wun wun breaks open the doors when the last of the Stark army arrive to Winterfell, an archer fight happens in the keeps court, Jon walks in and looks at wun wun with a smile, only to see an arrow cut through his eye and killing him, Jon turns around to meet Ramsey and blocks his arrows with a Bolton shield, eventually meeting him and beating him to death. The starks have taken the north, Ramsey is dead, and Sansa and Jon are reunited.

HOWEVER - I have heard conflicting news that Ramsay is not killed by Jon and Jon takes him prisoner instead, and also more news that Wun Wun doesn't die. So make of that what you will. Still, lots of details that weren't available before the season was out so...

Well, smurf. If that's true this will be an amazing episode.

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You know, I think about all the people who a season ago gave Dany a hard time for not knowing what the hell she's doing in Meereen.

Along comes one of the smartest people in Westeros, and he makes things worse.
Basically all he's done this season is make forced dick jokes, drink, and make things worse :p
What happened, Tyrion!? :eek:

I think it was inevitable to be honest. He did give them some time of peace by getting the harpys to stop but I think they knew She was gone and their time to strike was then. The Khals had mentioned the masters had said they would pay for her while she was with them so they knew she wasn't in Mereen.

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I think it was inevitable to be honest. He did give them some time of peace by getting the harpys to stop but I think they knew She was gone and their time to strike was then. The Khals had mentioned the masters had said they would pay for her while she was with them so they knew she wasn't in Mereen.

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Yeah, people really bag on Tyrion, but honestly he bought Mereen some time. Bear in mind the Sons of the Harpy were really putting pressure on the city and the city guard. He did what he could given the limited time and knowledge of Slaver's Bay politics.

I do think they skimped on his story somewhat, but that's a slightly different issue. I did enjoy the development of Grey Worm and Missandei as rather touching, showing them to enjoy life more and laugh, something they just about manage to do this episode. That isn't nothing, though I suppose in the grand scheme of things it is minor. Still, I like them both, so I was happy for them to get some humanisation.

Do we know if Peter Dinklage has been working on other projects? Tyrion's barely been in the season. Granted, without Dany the Meereen storyline kind of grinds to a halt. But I know Emilia Clarke was filming a movie, so that could explain why SHE hasn't really been in the season much.

As much as I love PD, it's actually been really refreshing to not have every episode be The Tyrion Show Ft. Some Other Characters.

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I did enjoy the development of Grey Worm and Missandei as rather touching, showing them to enjoy life more and laugh, something they just about manage to do this episode. That isn't nothing, though I suppose in the grand scheme of things it is minor. Still, I like them both, so I was happy for them to get some humanisation.

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"I make joke."

I also laughed at Missandei's joke.

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BIG SPOILERS FROM UPCOMING EPISODE, EPISODE 9, DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW AS IT HASN'T AIRED YET

This is from an extra on set and was posted online months before the season aired.
So the armies meet outside Winterfell, Boltons outnumber the Stark side 6 to 1. So Jon Snow is on his horse and strolls down to the front of the army, where he stands with Tormund. At this point, Ramsey has Rickon Stark, and says "Run... or don't run at all!" So Rickon Stark runs down the hill towards Jon Snows army, Ramsey takes his bow and begins to take shots at Rickon while he flees, Jon realises and gallops to save him, just before he reaches him, Ramsey hits Rickon, (not confirmed if he died or not). Davos on his horse tells the Stark army to follow their commander, the Stark army charges, wildlings go crazy and follow Tormund and Wun Wun into battle, calvary charge. Ramsey sends his calvary in to meet the Stark army, whilst his archers fire down on Jon, a massive calvary clash occurs and arrows from the Boltons kill both sides of their calvary and infantry. From the dead bodies, a huge wall is created, blocking the route to the Boltons directly, Davos tells his archers to aim and pauses, then tells them to halt as they'd hit their own men, so they charge into battle too. Once all the starks are in the mix, Great Jon(Small Jon) asks the Boltons "who owns the north? Who owns the north? Show me!" The rest of the Bolton army charge into the depleted Stark army by surrounding them with tall Shields and pikes, the Stark army in shock, look around not aware of what's going on, Shields form and completely encircle the Stark army, pikes lower and the Boltons advance, basically like a circle getting smaller and smaller, slaughtering any Stark solider through the forest of pikes, forcing every soilder to squeeze so tight they can barely lift arms, the exhausted and hopeless Stark force cram towards the dead body pile as their only escape if they climb, many attempt it only to get hacked down by Bolton soldiers on top of the pile, they charge down the pile to slaughter the remaining force. At some stage Great/Small Jon walks down the pile and has a boss battle with Tormund, of course Tormund wins. And Wun Wun does his bit of trying to break the wall. Jon, Davos and Tormund tell their men to push back and not cram into eachother, I'm guessing it gets dramatic at this point, it got pretty emotional just acting this part, a noise in the distance brings Jon to look over his shoulder, the Knights of the Vale arrive, Sansa and Peter tell the calvary army to charge into the rears of the pike circle, eventually destroying the Boltons and saving what was left of the Stark force. In shock, Ramsey flees to Winterfell without an army, the Boltons of the keep close the doors to hear a loud smash, wun wun breaks open the doors when the last of the Stark army arrive to Winterfell, an archer fight happens in the keeps court, Jon walks in and looks at wun wun with a smile, only to see an arrow cut through his eye and killing him, Jon turns around to meet Ramsey and blocks his arrows with a Bolton shield, eventually meeting him and beating him to death. The starks have taken the north, Ramsey is dead, and Sansa and Jon are reunited.

HOWEVER - I have heard conflicting news that Ramsay is not killed by Jon and Jon takes him prisoner instead, and also more news that Wun Wun doesn't die. So make of that what you will. Still, lots of details that weren't available before the season was out so...

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Yeah, that's the one. I think this is pretty believable, given how the season has developed and that this was posted months ago.

Yeah, I really appreciate the scenes such as that joke one. It's one of the main reasons I dislike that they are now seemingly fast forwarding the plot. I feel like there is a lot of room for more than 13 episodes if they just make use of the more subtle character scenes rather than 100% Move Plot Forward.

I don't think that the problem is that they don't have enough material. They just want to end the show so it doesn't go on for smurfing ever. Also, they were at least kind of trying to let GRRM put out new material, but he hasn't.

Honestly, the show needs to start wrapping up. Eight seasons is more than enough. And people keep saying "13" episodes when it's still "15" as of today. We don't know what's going to happen in the last two episodes of this seasons and how that's going to affect the plot.

Eight seasons does sound like a lot until you consoder that due to the low number of episodes per season, it's still a really low amount compared to many successful series out there. Considerably less than the likes of Lost, which went on one season too long. There's a lot more happening in this show than there is in Lost, at least in my opinion. I think it'll probably become more understanding as they wind things down and a climax actually looks like it is in sight. There are just a *lot* of things I still want to see happen in GoT and I don't know that they could give them all enough time to put them all in. I get that feeling that we're about half of the way through a story at the moment. Mostly because omg Dany get to Westeros already. Or at least out of the bay.

I can't think of the last series that would go far into a sixth season with over double the ratings they had for the first season. This show is such a huge success and I just don't ever watch a show and think "Man, this show is getting meh". I'll probably be kinda sad when it ends. :(

Oh trout

I just rememberedthanks to that gif the vision dany had

and she saw the throne room all in ashes and at the time i was like omg wtf that wont happen besides like if SHE did it.

She isn't going to do it.

Cersei will.

I like this idea. I'm going with the crazy cersei burning things down.

BoB, have you considered the possibility that Dany doesn't end up in Westeros and her end game is something completely different?

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Eight seasons does sound like a lot until you consoder that due to the low number of episodes per season, it's still a really low amount compared to many successful series out there. Considerably less than the likes of Lost, which went on one season too long. There's a lot more happening in this show than there is in Lost, at least in my opinion. I think it'll probably become more understanding as they wind things down and a climax actually looks like it is in sight. There are just a *lot* of things I still want to see happen in GoT and I don't know that they could give them all enough time to put them all in. I get that feeling that we're about half of the way through a story at the moment. Mostly because omg Dany get to Westeros already. Or at least out of the bay.

I can't think of the last series that would go far into a sixth season with over double the ratings they had for the first season. This show is such a huge success and I just don't ever watch a show and think "Man, this show is getting meh". I'll probably be kinda sad when it ends. :(

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They are also already talking about a spin off but that wont happen until the show it over. I believe they are at this point talking about doing the Duncan and Egg stories.

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BoB, have you considered the possibility that Dany doesn't end up in Westeros and her end game is something completely different?

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But how else will I see dragons vs white walkers :(

Maybe Cersei will burn down Kings Landing, but maybe she'll have a good reason too. The white walkers could break through the wall next Sunday and rampage through Westeros before Dany ever gets there. Maybe the bittersweet ending is that Dany gets her throne, but all the people are dead and she has no one left to rule.

Only if the White Walkers have the same jet packs Littlefinger does. xD

I'm willing to bet they could shamble there faster than Dany could get boats and sail over the ocean. It doesn't have to happen the same day.

If Bran crosses the wall they don't need to do anything to get across, he's marked and the walls magical protection wont be able to stop them anymore. That's how they were able to enter the tree and attack.

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Oh trout

I just remembered the vision dany had

and she saw the throne room all in ashes and at the time i was like omg wtf that wont happen besides like if SHE did it.

She isn't going to do it.

Cersei will.

I like this idea. I'm going with the crazy cersei burning things down.

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Ohh... That was shown before. lmao! I forgot and thought the gif a few posts up was leaked or something. Silly Ayen.

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If Bran crosses the wall they don't need to do anything to get across, he's marked and the walls magical protection wont be able to stop them anymore. That's how they were able to enter the tree and attack.

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I'm gonna say, "Goddammit, Bran!" if this ends up happening.

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aNWeMxG_700b.jpg

I wasn't aware the wall had any magical touches to it. I thought it was just a big freaking wall and therefore a rather notable obstacle to any invader.

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I wasn't aware the wall had any magical touches to it. I thought it was just a big freaking wall and therefore a rather notable obstacle to any invader.

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Must be a book thing because I never heard it mentioned in the show as far as I can remember.

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I wasn't aware the wall had any magical touches to it. I thought it was just a big freaking wall and therefore a rather notable obstacle to any invader.

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Must be a book thing because I never heard it mentioned in the show as far as I can remember.

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perhaps they sort of forgot about it because the White Walkers hadnt showed up in many many years so the only threath were the wildlings and they dont require magic to get stopped

this meme might be considered a tiny bit of a spoiler if you Really dont want to know anything about the next episode yet http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/awVrpzx_700b.jpg

It's a legend about the Wall, that it was imbued with magic and either Giants or Children of the Forest helped Brandon to build it. But then you kind of expect a gigantic 8,000 year old structure to have some tales and awe inspired by it. Whether or not it does have a magical power has yet to be put to the test.

Now a certain anime has me wondering if the wall is full of white walkers.

What if the wall was the Great Other all along? :eek:

R+L=The Wall???

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The Wall That Was Promised

Holy trout. Dany is a smurfing badass omg those dragons

Holy trout that battle.

Holy trout that sansa

Dany, smurf off
Goddamn, can Sansa please be queen? She's so ba
YES SANSA TELL JON OFF PLS
can someone please explain to me why they decided this season jon needed a manbun?
Are Dany and Asha gonna lez out? They should totes lez out.
holy trout rickon is like 30 now
Rickon's been gone for like 3 seasons, don't really care?
ahahah yeah Rickon's dead
Gotta be honest, I'm pretty bored with this episode. I just do not care about battle scenes. At all.
WUN WUN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
TORMUND NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
TORMUND YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
LittlefingerxSansa Please Happen
i think wun wun's gonna die
RIP WUN WUN
so it looks like that extra's intel is correct and also lol lawsuit waiting to happen rip extra
THE UNRAVELING OF THE STARKS
RIP RIPPON
SANSA PLEASE KILL HIM
PLEASE TORTURE THE trout OUT OF HIM
SPLIT HIS DICK OR SOMETHING
puppy
OH trout
Wow, so uh, obviously we keep our dog fed, but. Uh. This is definitely a PSA against animal neglect. Holy trout, dude.

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So I have an HR fitbit. I decided to check how my heart was during that battle. My resting heart rate is in the 70's. My heart rate jumped to 104 during that battle haha

Battle was predictable overall and the prolonged trampling took me out of it, but everything was worth it just to see Jon beat the holy trout out of Ramsay and Sansa getting her revenge. It's probably not what they're aiming for, but I want to believe Sansa was warging at the end because of how the dogs were acting. Their doors were open, there's fresh blood, and they haven't been fed for seven days. They're acting way too calm there.

Meereen scenes were entertaining af this time around, and I second Dany and Yara should lez out. I also like Grey Worm more and more each episode.

I can't remember the last time I was this satisfied watching a GoT episode, or anything, for that matter.

That was incredibly satisfying.

The battle definitely got the heart rate pumping even though everything that happened was fairly predictable. I'll be interested to see what Littlefinger is going to do or want now that they basically owe their victory to him. I can't imagine he's the type that will just be like "Happy to help, I'll leave you guys to it then."

Also, Rickon, numbnuts, run in a smurfing zig zag pattern, it's not hard. I don't want to hear anything about "oh he wasn't thinking clearly in the heat of the moment." It's the most logical thing to do and he would have made it practically impossible for anyone who isn't Legolas to hit him with an arrow. smh.

EDIT: wen't back and read the extra's account and man am I glad I didn't read it before hand. Yeah, the battle played out predictably, but smurf knowing every single detail that happens before the show has aired.

Ramsay: We have Winterfell. They don't have enough men for a siege.
Me: THEY HAVE A GIANT, DUMBASS!

Jon's crazy eyes at Ramsay were beautiful :lol: