Pokémon X&Y post-launch discussion thread - AKA Jinx is Upset

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Originally Posted by Agent Proto

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Originally Posted by Endless

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Originally Posted by Skyblade

To my knowledge, the system is based off of the 3DS Friends List, not the game's own list. My 3DS has everyone on EoFF Friended. If I transfer my game to a different 3DS, that 3DS has a different Friends List. Does my in-game FSZ list change to reflect the new Friends List of the new system?

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Not sure. If you have friends in common between both consoles, those won't change for sure. You'll have to try and find out.

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I've just gave this a shot to see if there is any difference. I wasn't sure what to expect but it surprised me a bit. For one, when you insert your game into another 3DS, your game will instantly recognize this and make changes on the PSS accordingly. For one, your list of Friends will change to that over to the Friend List on the 3DS you now use, this is true for the FZS as well. So, to put it bluntly, yes it does. You will see a message that says "The Nintendo 3DS has been changed! Updating Friends status."

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Question Two: When you change back, do you keep any "third Pokémon" unlocks that you've found, or do you have to be online with them again?

You don't lose anything if you change back.

You can never see your own FSZ, and what FSZ you have is tied to your 3DS friend code. Switch 3DS and your code will change, so your FSZ that people see will change, but the ones you see will never change. And the opposite is also true, if you play both X and Y on the same DS your FSZ won't change.

And as far as FSZ Vivillons go, the Vivillon that shows up is based on YOUR region, not their's. I know this because I have a friend from Singapore, and all I see is Polar (Eastern Canada/USA, Norway, Sweden).

For some reason I ALWAYS forget you're not English, Tas. xD

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Originally Posted by Tasura

You can never see your own FSZ, and what FSZ you have is tied to your 3DS friend code. Switch 3DS and your code will change, so your FSZ that people see will change, but the ones you see will never change. And the opposite is also true, if you play both X and Y on the same DS your FSZ won't change.

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I know playing two on the same machine won't change. But I really don't know about playing one on multiple machines. You're saying that I won't lose any Friend Safaris that I've already acquired, even if I go to a 3DS that doesn't have those Friends? Does this mean that you could theoretically acquire more than the 100 possible Friend Codes by simply changing to another machine and adding more? Or, for that matter, would wiping a Friend delete their Friend Safari information? That seems way too open for manipulation/exploitation, so I think it has to be tied to the 3DS's Friend's List.

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And as far as FSZ Vivillons go, the Vivillon that shows up is based on YOUR region, not their's. I know this because I have a friend from Singapore, and all I see is Polar (Eastern Canada/USA, Norway, Sweden).

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It seems you're right. I thought, since I had only ever seen a Meadow Pattern (from Viola), that Meadow was my Pattern. Turns out that I'm actually a Modern Pattern area guy. Just evolved a Spewpa to be sure.

So Viola uses one you can't catch yourself. That's rather mean.

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Originally Posted by Jinx

For some reason I ALWAYS forget you're not English, Tas. xD

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I'm not even British my heritage xD.

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Originally Posted by Skyblade

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Originally Posted by Tasura

You can never see your own FSZ, and what FSZ you have is tied to your 3DS friend code. Switch 3DS and your code will change, so your FSZ that people see will change, but the ones you see will never change. And the opposite is also true, if you play both X and Y on the same DS your FSZ won't change.

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I know playing two on the same machine won't change. But I really don't know about playing one on multiple machines. You're saying that I won't lose any Friend Safaris that I've already acquired, even if I go to a 3DS that doesn't have those Friends? Does this mean that you could theoretically acquire more than the 100 possible Friend Codes by simply changing to another machine and adding more? Or, for that matter, would wiping a Friend delete their Friend Safari information? That seems way too open for manipulation/exploitation, so I think it has to be tied to the 3DS's Friend's List.

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And as far as FSZ Vivillons go, the Vivillon that shows up is based on YOUR region, not their's. I know this because I have a friend from Singapore, and all I see is Polar (Eastern Canada/USA, Norway, Sweden).

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It seems you're right. I thought, since I had only ever seen a Meadow Pattern (from Viola), that Meadow was my Pattern. Turns out that I'm actually a Modern Pattern area guy. Just evolved a Spewpa to be sure.

So Viola uses one you can't catch yourself. That's rather mean.

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I meant, as long as you have those same friends on both 3DS' you'd have access to the same FSZ, but if your second or third 3DS didn't have those friends, you'd lose access to them. I think at the point of my reply I was rather tired or had just woken up so I hadn't understood the entirety of what you were asking. And the NPCs in game use the Meadow pattern because it's one of the 2 Japanese patterns.

After messing around with breeding and trying to construct my first "perfect" team, I have found myself with a couple leftovers that are near-perfect. If anyone wants one of them, PM me and let me know which one.

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Note: I don't put much importance in Luxury Balls so none of the listed Pokemon are in them. Sorry!
Gible (with Outrage):
5 IV / Jolly / Sand Veil

1. 31/31/31/x/31/31
2. 31/31/31/31/x/31
3. x/31/31/31/31/31
4. 31/31/x/31/31/31
5. 31/x/31/31/31/31
6. x/31/31/31/31/31
7. 31/31/31/31/31/x

5 IV / Docile / Rough Skin (31/31/x/31/31/31)
5 IV / Relaxed / Sand Veil (31/31/x/31/31/31)
5 IV / Impish / Sand Veil (31/31/31/x/31/31)
5 IV / Jolly / Rough Skin (x/31/31/31/31/31)

Eevee:
5 IV / Adamant/ Anticipation

1. x/31/31/31/31/31 (2)
2. 31/31/31/31/31/x (2)
3. 31/31/31/31/x/31

5 IV / Modest / Adaptability (31/31/x/31/31/31)
5 IV / Adamant / Adaptability or Run Away)

1. 31/31/x/31/31/31 (Run Away)
2. 31/31/31/31/31/x (Adaptability)
3. 31/31/31/x/31/31 (Run Away)
4. 31/x/31/31/31/31 (Run Away)
5. 31/31/31/31/x/31 (Run Away) (2)

Honedge:
5 IV / Brave / No Guard

1. x/31/31/31/31/31 (4)

Also several 4 IVs with various natures (most with their respective ideal nature) and HAs.

Not necessary to obtain one of the above, but I'm looking for the following with 4-5 IVs:
Scyther (Jolly w/Technician), Lucario (Adamant w/Inner Focus), Chespin (Impish w/Bulletproof), Fennekin (Timid or Modest w/Magician), Kangaskhan (Jolly w/Scrappy), Charmander (Timid w/ Blaze), Pawniard (Adamant w/ Defiant), Ralts (Female, Timid w/ Trace), Ferroseed (Relaxed), Ghastly (Timid)

Added some friend codes and had some battles during a Touhou meetup last weekend. So I got myself a couple of Y exclusive pokemons, safari only pokemons and made a few back and forth trades for evolutions.

Trevenant is seriously one of my favs of this generation. My Harvest-wall set makes very little use of Trevenant's highest base stat (attack), yet it has proven to work wonders in every battle I've had with it so far. It, along with my Mega Mawile, took out a whole team alone in a wi-fi double battle against some random opponent who even used Xeneras and Mega Mewtwo.

And then, against more experienced players at the meetup, it would almost always bring down two pokemons with it, or take out one and greatly cripple another in every battle. Even in the worst match it had, it at least managed to prevent the rest of the team from getting swept by burning and leech seeding a 2x Dragon Dance Mega Gyarados.

I also love Mega Mawile more than ever now. It's a beast. It destroys things. And it actually survives quite a lot too with its great typing and defenses.

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Originally Posted by Del Murder

I do have pupitar!

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Late reply to this, but I already got myself a Pupitar now, as well as most other pokemons that I might be needing for my final team(s).

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Originally Posted by Skyblade

Bug and Fire seem to be the rare ones among the Friend Codes I have acquired, and I am hoping I'll have a Larvesta somewhere, but I haven't checked.

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If not, then I have some for trade now. I do believe they are all in Luxury Balls too.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

Honedge:
5 IV / Brave / No Guard

1. 31/31/31/x/31/31 (2)

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Dat Honedge. It'll totally replace my Aegislash.

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Not necessary to obtain one of the above, but I'm looking for the following with 4-5 IVs:
Scyther (Jolly w/Technician), Lucario (Adamant w/Inner Focus), Chespin (Impish w/Bulletproof), Fennekin (Timid or Modest w/Magician), Kangaskhan (Jolly w/Scrappy), Charmander (Timid w/ Blaze), Pawniard (Adamant w/ Defiant), Ralts (Female, Timid w/ Trace), Ferroseed (Relaxed), Ghastly (Timid)
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I have a 4 IVs female ralts (outstanding, alert to sounds, HP/SPA/SDEF/SPD) with Trace and Timid. When I trade you, I'll be able to tell its exact stats. Catch me in #pokemon if you want to trade.

Do IVs make a huge difference or is it just a couple points in stats?

As far as I know, each point in IV is equal to 1 point in the stat. So 31 Atk IV = +31 in the Attack stat.

That is significant. How do you tell which IVs it has?

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Originally Posted by Del Murder

That is significant. How do you tell which IVs it has?

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The guy by the door to the changing room in the Kiloude City pokecenter will tell you the quality of your pokemon (if its IV total is low/medium/high/very high) as well as its best or abysmal stats. An IV of 31 will be announced as its "best" and that it "can't be beaten". For a 0, he'll tell you "how can you do/survive with a stat like ...?".
Couple that with a calculator and you can get a good grasp on the IV distribution of your pokemon.

Yeah, each IV translates into a whole stat point at level 100.

When using a calculator (in case you don't feel you have to go full 31 in all the stats for each and want the specific numbers), you should either have your pokemon participate in a battle where their level is automatically set to 50, and check their stats at summary during the battle, or you should take advantage of rare candies to level up, check stats, then reset in order to calculate more specific IVs.

If you level up against lots of pokemons, you will get EVs, which might make it harder to calculate the right IVs.

Interesting thing I've heard on Smogon: If someone unfriends you, you do not lose access to their Friend Zone, they only lose access to yours. This is because Unfriending someone only removes them from your system, it doesn't affect their system, or their system's list.

If this is true (I'm going to test it tomorrow with my second system), it opens up a massive exploit that I intend to take full advantage of.

I am going to speed run through the rest of Pokémon Y, and save when I get to Kiloude city, opening up the Friend Safari.

Then I'm going to pop out my game, and unfriend my 3DS. Then, I'll reformat my 3DS XL, which creates a new Friend Code and Friend Safari.

Then I pop my Pokémon Y back in, and friend my 3DS again. Ta da, new Friend Safari accessible. Rinse and repeat. It will be slow, probably taking a full day, if not longer, to get access to all the Safaris I need to get access to every FSZ Pokémon, but I think I am going to do it. When I do, I'll alert you all ahead of time, and anyone who is interested can also participate. Just let me know if you only want to be alerted to specific Pokémon or zone types, as there are liable to be a lot of duplicates as I go through them all.

Edit: It does seem to work. The only change from being unfriended is that you can no longer see when they are online. You can still access their Friend Safari.