Thanks.
I realized something some minutes ago.
I found what is the magic the sorceresses allways pass to each other
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Thanks.
I realized something some minutes ago.
I found what is the magic the sorceresses allways pass to each other
And...umm..that is ?? lol
She had her memory screwed because Ultimecia is controlling her. That will explain why her memory recovered immediately after Ultimecia leaves her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Seifer know she is Matron and this will had triggered her memory already if she had lost her memory through junctioning of GF.Quote:
Seifer: Did you guys come to fight Matron? After all that she's done
for us? Hey Chicken-wuss. Lot's happened between us, eh?
This is what she said after she is freed. She remember everyone of them.Quote:
Edea: Squall, Quistis, Selphie. Irvine, Zell. You've all grown so much...
and become so strong... I have waited for this day to come. And also
feared this day would come. Is today a joyous day? Or an odious day?
Where is Ellone!? Have I protected Ellone!?
That is your personal conceptions of the machine.Quote:
It includes the memory of the thoughts she experience while possessed.
If there is a machine that can imitate Ellone´s power one just needs to add computer graphical editing capabilities on that machine to mess the pictures of the different eras.That´s what happened to Edea.
Actually, there is evidence. First Odine says she is from the future, we can assume he tells the truth. Second, Odine obviously doesnt have the JME yet or else Squall and co. would destroy it, so it must be made in the future. Third, Ellone only has the power to "teleport" BACK in time not FORWARD. In the whole game she never goes forward in time, thus Ultimecia must be reaching back for Ellone as she cant go forward since Ellone doesnt possess that power. If she did, it would have been shown undoubtedly. So, Ulti is undisputably from the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
On another note, this brings something to mind...Why would Odine make a Junction Machine Ellone thing anyway? Is it for his gain? Does he thirst for power? Maybe Ulti is his wife and he is Griever??? Just some thoughts...Im kind of serious, those questions are pretty valid. But, it is only a game, and not every side story, question, paradox, etc. can be explained...
Just some thoughts...:)
He is a scientist/researcher and is common he made the machine out of his own free will. Some of his other works are para-magic...etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noj_R
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a155/Unknowns2/GF.jpg
Although he made the Odine Bangle because of his fear but:
But based on his time/enthusiasm spent on researching on Ellone as we all noticed in the game, it weren't be surprise that he decided to create something similar just to get the kick out of it.Quote:
Dr. Odine: Eghhhhhh! I kept this a secret to surprise you... It iz
because of me, Odine! I researched Ellone's power long ago. I made out
a pattern from ze current running through Ellone's brain. Once ze
pattern was determined, it was easy to mechanize. It may only be a toy
right now, but in ze time of Ultimecia, it iz an impressive working
machine! Which means there iz a machine which imitates Ellone's power.
It iz I who made ze first model of zat machine. I named ze machine
'Junction Machine Ellone'! It iz a vonderful thing to know that my
invention is used in ze future!
Griever is created from the party mind during the battle. It was mentioned in the scan info that Griever is the strongest GF.Quote:
Maybe Ulti is his wife and he is Griever??? Just some thoughts...Im kind of serious, those questions are pretty valid. But, it is only a game, and not every side story, question, paradox, etc. can be explained...
Just some thoughts...:)
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...s2/Griever.jpg
In the japanese version, Ultimecia said something like:
"From your feelings, I shall make the most powerful of things"
"The greater they are, the greater shall be your suffering! Fufu!"
It is not very exact but in the German translation:
Quote:
What is the absolute power for you?
The stronger your will, the bigger your pain.
Face the power!"
::Griever comes and it gets pounded on for a while::
"Memory loss?
...that is what you fear?
Show them your true power!
Show them, Griever!"
Yeah, that last comment about the griever being Odine and Ultimecia's husband was a bit of sarcasim...:D
Thanks for the info on Odine!
Try to refute this:
Odine lives on the future and used the machine to possess Ulti who lives on the past.
This kinda gives the explanation for Noj_R thread.
hey christa=mas i thought d=griever was a lion he is supposed to be a lion
Obviously you didnt read this. This is proof Ulti lives in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noj_R
If Ulti lives in the past, then where are the signs of her rule? Where is the record of Ulti's history? Why dont we hear of her?
The most imprtant question of all is this: Who defeated Ulti first?
Obviously it isnt Squall and co. because they live in a good world not an evil one. IF Ulti lived in the past and is no longer living in Squall's time, then who defeated her? Why is Odine giving Squall tips on how to kill Ulti if he is possessing her?
Obviously, Ulti cannot live in the past because of the above. These incidents above are true ( or would be ) if your theory was right. But it isnt and thats why we dont have t his confusing mess I mentioned above happening.
This is irrefutable:Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Ellone cannot CONTROL people, she can only WATCH their actions, as Squall and co. did with Laguna. So how can a Odine using a machine that mimics Ellon's possession power, and control someone when it can only watch their past? Ellone and Squall concluded together in the game that the past CANNOT BE CHANGED...That is fact.
Your theories on these issues cannot be true.
Everything was remodeled through time and WOTC was created.Quote:
If Ulti lives in the past, then where are the signs of her rule? Where is the record of Ulti's history? Why dont we hear of her?
After Ulti was defeated the castle becomed Centra ruins.Maybe part of the castle make into Edea´s(Ulti´s house).
Lunar Cry happened.Continents shape changed.Continent was flooded.
The continent was freezed.Centra ruins was remodeled into Trabia Garden.
Edea´s house was remodeled into Balamb town.
Balamb´s vulcan became active.The lava melt the ice producing flood.
Estharians get out of Esthar and make it into FH (without realizing they would create a time loop).
FH was constructed right over Trabia Garden.
The technicians turned it into DSRC to research the sea and a supposed ruins which is inside Trabia Garden shelter.
They had to abandon it because of a disaster.
The great water pressure planed the top of the mountains.Water level drops and voila,we are on the south Esthar era.
Vegetation grows.Winhill civilization is born and they make a village.
DSRC is remodeled into Galbadia Garden,water starts to drop and dry letting only some rivers running there.
Galbadia Garden becames mobile and decouple some of it´s parts.Dollet empire appears along with Galbadia country and Deling city.Missile base and Desert prison were created.Winhill becomes Timber city.
Galbadia conquers Timber.They burn nearly all of the continents vegetation.Even after making roads and railroads they burn it all after a couple of years to prevent communication between Timber citizens and other places on the continent.
Meanwhile,FH technicians remodel Galbadia Garden into Balamb Garden.
Galbadians enhance Timber technology too much(even knowing they just want freedom).
Timber becames the capitol of Galbadia.
Another lunar cry happens changing continent´s shape.
Timber becomes Esthar city.Balamb Garden is remodeled again and moves to the city attaching to it.It becames the Presidencial Palace.
D.D.prison becomes Lunatic Pandora Laboratory,Missile Base become Lunar Gate,Dollet become Esthar Sorceress Memorial and Deling City becomes Tears Point.
That sumed it up.
That didnt sum it up. Everything in that body of text was an assumption. You completely disregarded my post proving that Ultimecia was from the future. I would like to see some evidence prooving this instead of making a new theory ( the world changes/WOTC ) to make sure the old one is preserved ( Ulti is from the past ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Alot of things dont make sense either, if Ulti was from the past then what about this:
Who defeated Ulti?
Who created WOTC?
Why is Odine possessing Ulti throught the JME?
Why is Odine helping you beat "himself" ( Ulti )?
Why is Squall and co. being sent to beat Ulti when she is dead already?
I would like some real ingame proof proving every point, and I would like to see an analysis of my post ( #534 ) if you please. I am curious to see how you can disregard ingame evidence that is proven and really irrefutable to further your theories.
The right question would be Why is Odine helping you to beat "himself" (Adel)?Quote:
Why is Odine helping you beat "himself" ( Ulti )?
Ulti was an excuse to replace "him" on Edea´s mouth.
Since he messed up with Edea´s mind he must find someone to fit the Ultimecia role and a method to send them to the past.
He then brought the Pandora time machine.It´s perfect for the plan.
Through it he send them to the past.
Now if Ellone ever send people´s counscience to the past they would see this scene and conclude the doctor was right.Thus he is safe even though he didn´t taked over the world at all.Not only this but he has hope that he can get revenge for the defeat of Adel.But if not,well at least he already used an enemy to replace him and his safe.
He would use Ulti to explain the origin of Edea´s powers through a time loop.
If Ulti is Edea things make sence .
Ulti is on the past.She goes to the future and pass her powers to Edea.She pretends to be dead and cames to the past again.Now she has passed her powers to Edea and had no powers.But it means in the future she will had no powers and will receive it from herself.
It´s like throwing a boomerang to herself.
Thus Ellone will think this is the source of all the troubles with Edea and will not try to search further on the past(her intention is just to help her Matron).
In fact she has done it but saw Ulti´s castle and thinking it was on the future she tought to herself "I must had used my ability wrongly.I am seeing the future".
Then she saw the scene were Ulti passed her powers to Edea and concluded it was the further past.
Looking into Ulti´s past she would saw the Ragnarok(Time machine) bringing Ulti´s aboard it to Earth along with the other Propagators.
TO BE CONTINUED.
I am important things to do now.Will come back later.
hey FE, how come it takes u so long to reply? do u have to think on things before u answer. if so, then it sounds like ur making excuses rather than proof.
Did you learn to read?
I am telling the thruth hear.I swear.Quote:
I am important things to do now.Will come back later.
And I have to go again.
The fact that there are White SeeD lying dead on the ground mean it is the future or anywhere near there since there aren't SeeD in the past until Edea got the idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar