Most hated Final Fantasy Villian

Kanno, with all due respect (and much respect is due), it seems you're reading way too far into seymour in order to say he's a lame villain, completely disreguarding that most FF villains, especially in the 2d generation, are alot less developed and have very few motivations at all for being a villain. You omit them all except for Kefka, for whom you, again, read way too far into, this time for the sake of creating some synthetic significance for.

On another matter, I think the reason why most people here don't like Seymour, even moreso than his annoyingness, is because he's in a Final Fantasy that has very good graphics. And according to many people on this site, good graphics is a terrible, terrible thing. I feel sorry for them.

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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno

His real motive for most of the game was to gain freedom from his servitude to Garland. He wanted to be free to do what he wanted.

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Kuja's motive was very cliche. He wanted to replace Garland as the ruler of Terra and Gaia, like he told the party, in Terra. The only thing that makes him diferent from other villains, is that he wanted to conquer TWO worlds, instead of just one.

And about Kefka... Symbolism exist to make a character be a little more interesting, but to me, a villain that ONLY have symbolism in his favor, is not a good villain(if we consider a villain only by his/her motives, i mean).
Kefka fans use symbolism to explain why he is so evil, and why he is a good villain, but the fact is... Kefka's motives to be evil in the story are poor. And in the end, this is what really matter. The story. Kefka wasn't literally all the evil in humanity or whatever. This is not part of the story, it's just symbolism. But it doesn't change the fact that his motive is weak.
You cannot pretend that a character is deep, ONLY because of symbolism.
This is just my opinion, i hope that i didn't offend you.

Alright, maybe I went a little too far with the deep analysis (it's in my nature I'm afraid. I can't accept things at face value) and I understand that Kefka is only deep when thought about in a symbolic path but on a literary level he's still just your average crazy guy bent on destroying the world for no real damn good reason.;)

I only used Kuja and Kefka cause they were referenced but I can just as easily use any of the villains except for a few of them. I'm sorry if I came off preachy or anything I just kinda went on a tangent and hit "Submit" without thinking. Most FF villains have lousy motives or are just cliched ridden when it comes down to it but some can be seen in a different light.

Though I disagree with you Bolivar (don't I always:rolleyes2 ) I still feel that Seymour is not the villain of X nor do I feel he's even a good antagonist.

And though your comment was not specifically directed at me, I don't mind good graphics with my games. I just feel that many games ( and even a few oldies fall into this as well) have pretty covers and nothing of value underneath. I don't like FFX, but it's not because it's "pretty". I just feel "being pretty" was the games only strength and to me that's a step backwards. Of course this is only my opinion and nothing more.

This is so stupid, if it wasn't for the much over-dramatised views on Sephiroth over the net then none you would be voting for him. I bet just after you finished FF7, your votes wouldn't have gone for him, as with alot of people, they just like to go against the grain on purpose. Sephiroth was one of the best villians out of any video-game.

Mine is Vegnagun, he was so crappy, and you didn't know what the hell you were really facing until the end of the game.

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Originally Posted by Rocket Edge

This is so stupid, if it wasn't for the much over-dramatised views on Sephiroth over the net then none you would be voting for him. I bet just after you finished FF7, your votes wouldn't have gone for him, as with alot of people, they just like to go against the grain on purpose. Sephiroth was one of the best villians out of any video-game.

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Many people hate Sephiroth, personally he's ok to me. Its not because of the "Over dramatised views" on Sephiroth. Lots of fans of the old games hated him, argument over.

In the past, Sephiroth was the most overrated villain in the FF series. But today, the spot of "most overrated villain" is occupied by Kefka.

Sephiroth. because he's too overrated and stupid for his infatuation with 'MOTHER'

Seymour- annoying guy that just won't die. his voice sucked too.

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Originally Posted by Goldenboko

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Originally Posted by Rocket Edge

This is so stupid, if it wasn't for the much over-dramatised views on Sephiroth over the net then none you would be voting for him. I bet just after you finished FF7, your votes wouldn't have gone for him, as with alot of people, they just like to go against the grain on purpose. Sephiroth was one of the best villians out of any video-game.

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Many people hate Sephiroth, personally he's ok to me. Its not because of the "Over dramatised views" on Sephiroth. Lots of fans of the old games hated him, argument over.

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How do you know this? Sephiroth is topping the poll. I find it very hard how someone could dislike Sephiroth more than Seymour Guado or Vegnagun. Thats including this forums help of course (and any other FF related forum thats ventured in), because as I said, some people can't help but go against the grain.

I voted for Kefka just to go against the grain.

I voted for Chaos, not only because you didn't know who you were going to be fighting before you got there, but also because he was way too easy. Come on. 4000 HP? I had him killed before I was done preparing to fight him. And that's not hyperbole.

EDIT: Final Fantasy X-2 didn't really have an end boss. Some say it was Vegnagun and others Shuyin. Yes, you do fight these at the end, but it doesn't count as an end boss. Final Fantasy X-2 was just a bunch of random happenings against the background of Baralai, Nooj, and Gippal chasing Vegnagun and Yuna trying to find Tidus. I liked the game, don't get me wrong. I was just disappointed in the lack of a storyline. Besides Vegnagun and Shuyin were way too easy to be end bosses.

Uhhh.... So is Chaos?

Exdeath. Ugh... He was just a really unimpressive fantasy version of Megatron.

I think Sephiroth is.

I voted for Sephiroth. I just find him uninteresting, and FFVII fanboys make me hate him soooo much. But he killed Aeris, which I commend him for 'cause it was one of the most memorable and realistic moments in Final Fantasy history.

I really like the villians in FFXII though. They aren't necessarily evil (Venat's cause is actually somewhat noble).

And shouldn't Marche be up there? I mean, he went out of his way to destroy Ivalice to return to his home, while the "eenemies" were only trying to protect their home.

P.S. Why is Xemnas on the poll?

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Kuja's motive was very cliche. He wanted to replace Garland as the ruler of Terra and Gaia, like he told the party, in Terra. The only thing that makes him diferent from other villains, is that he wanted to conquer TWO worlds, instead of just one.

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Really going out of your way to lie these days, aren’t yoU Crystal?

I’ll use a tactic you know nothing about: EVIDENCE to disprove your weak assertions.

A cliche villain would be power-hungry for the sake of power hungry. He is EVILLLLLL and he does BAD THINGS because...he’s an evil, bad person.

That’s not Kuja.

Kuja: Oh, how I've longed for this day.
Kuja: ...the day I might finally cast away this mask to reveal my true self.

Kuja: The final act will take us away from Gaia, and I will kill my nemesis...with my own hand!

Kuja wants to kill Garland...because he’s just a cliche and evil?

Kuja: I must destroy him before Terra's plan is activated, or my soul will no longer be my own!

It was either destroy Garland or Terra’s Resurrection would carry out and the Genomes, vessels for the true people of Terra, would be done for and Kuja’s soul would go to whoever it originated from.

Garland: I constructed the Genomes to be vessels for the souls of the people of Terra when they awaken.

What does Garland say of Kuja’s motivation?

Garland: He is only hiding it. He denies his own identity.
Garland: He rejects the meaning of his existence and tries to assert his own individuality.

Kuja doesn’t want to be seen as a someone else’s creation: as merely a vessel for someone else. He wants to establish his own power, his own will.

Kuja: The weak lose their freedom to the strong.
Kuja: Such is the way of the strong. And it is the providence of nature that only the strong survive.
Kuja: That is why I needed strength

Bu Kuja’s own assertions, it is the “providence of nature” that the weaker beings are subjugated by the stronger. He flatly acknowledges Garland is stronger than him and so he seeks to overcome this. As Hilda said
“ He was a hopeless narcissist”

For someone with such a strong will and ego as well as a philosophy that the strong should be the rulers of all below them, Kuja’s longing for power was a way to justify himself and defy his “destiny.”

Afterall, look at what it is that drives Kuja over the edge.

Garland: There's a limit on your life... You'll be dead soon...
Even as I die, you'll have died without ever leaving your mark on the world...

Kuja will never have the chance he longed for: to reject his existence, the life and destiny of a disposable tool.

Now witness fate’s ultimately cruel irony on the twisted and warped psyche of Kuja’s mind:

Kuja: What comedy! Zidane, isn't it hilarious!? I'll die just like the black mages I so despise!
Kuja: I single-handedly brought chaos unto Gaia, but in the end, I'm nothing but a worthless doll!

Despite his lifelong ambition to attain power to signify his individuality, he would die before he eve rhad the chance to build his “eternal kingdom.” Thus, in the desperate last acts of a man trying to elude the claws of death

Kuja): ...I won't let it happen.
Kuja: I won't... I won't let this world exist without me!

Kuja: Why should the world exist without me? That wouldn't be fair. IfI die, we all die!

In the mind of a half-crazed egotist of the highest order, the destruction of all lesser beings is the only right thing. He, Kuja, is the best and most powerful of all of them. By what right should they live while he perishes?

Kuja’s character and ambitions are merely something many fictional characters wrestle with: Fate. Destiny. The idea that free will is an illusion. Kuja tried to prove himself as an individual by attaining power. He ultimately failed because he could nto escape his destiny.

His final acts, even in the throws of death and after killing Zidane and his crew is to save them all.

Perhaps it is in that act alone Kuja finally escaped his destiny: the destroyer of Gaia, the taker of lives for a master and being a slave. He was a slave all his life...to Garland and his own greed. But in the end, he saved lives.

Kuja is anything but a cliche.

Okay, we really need a forum rule that Forsaken Lover and Crystal aren't allowed to argue eachother anymore. The "most powerful villain"/"absorbing or not absorbing time" argument was months ago and it still goes on! c'mon guys.

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Originally Posted by Dynast-Kid

I voted for Sephiroth. I just find him uninteresting, and FFVII fanboys make me hate him soooo much.

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if you find Sephiroth uninteresting, I would hate to see what you think of Garland, Golbez/Zemus, and Kefka...

Kanno, your last post was pure comedy:

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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno

I just kinda went on a tangent and hit "Submit" without thinking.

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don't we all though sometimes?

I think my say in this topic is going back to Kefka, in a good way though. Yeah, he was an evil dude like the rest of them, but he was also a coward with the way he did it, it was so.... unlikeable... In other games, you like seeing X-Death/Seph/Kuja onscreen, but Kefka... I can't bring myself around to like him. I guess that means Square did their job....