Using her finger sign = Rinoa is smart!

Um, you don't disprove a theory with no evidence Serepy.

You present a theory, you present that theories evidence. It's how it works. You're the one who needs to present facts first, not the other way around.


All arguments for this you have posted require everything else to be true, however none of these things have any kind of evidence supporting them.

Also, perhaps Rinoa is just a flirt? She see's a guy, becomes infatuated, and dances with him. She's also kinda dumb, and quickly falls in love.

Next, why is Squalls mind cutting to Ulti?

What are the two most important things going on right now? Ulti and Rinoa. So yes, both of them are likely the most prevelent things in his mind right now. He is told to think of friends and love, but Ulti is still appearing in his mind. Why is that?

Simple, he obviously has to try to focus on friends and love, but with something going on as it is, something like that would be hard. It's more likely the constant flashes between Ulti and Rinoa is Squall trying hard to shift his focus onto Rinoa, and that is the writers way of showing it.


Also, I pointed out the Symbolysm thing on Page 1. PAGE 1! I feel like I'm being ignored.

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Also, I pointed out the Symbolysm thing on Page 1. PAGE 1! I feel like I'm being ignored.

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Don't worry dude, like Boko said, anything that isn't easy to explain gets looked over.

Either way, starting FFVIII on a PS emulator solely to get screens to either prove or disprove this.
You need hard provable evidence to make a theory a fact, all we have is speculation and differing opinions.

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Also, I pointed out the Symbolysm thing on Page 1. PAGE 1! I feel like I'm being ignored.

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Don't worry dude, like Boko said, anything that isn't easy to explain gets looked over.

Either way, starting FFVIII on a PS emulator solely to get screens to either prove or disprove this.
You need hard provable evidence to make a theory a fact, all we have is speculation and differing opinions.

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What does being easy to explain have to do with anything?

I was just saying I was the first to point out the symbolism of the finger.

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Also, I pointed out the Symbolysm thing on Page 1. PAGE 1! I feel like I'm being ignored.

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Don't worry dude, like Boko said, anything that isn't easy to explain gets looked over.

Either way, starting FFVIII on a PS emulator solely to get screens to either prove or disprove this.
You need hard provable evidence to make a theory a fact, all we have is speculation and differing opinions.

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What does being easy to explain have to do with anything?

I was just saying I was the first to point out the symbolism of the finger.

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Because anything having to do with human actions in a video game or symbolism has been disregarded in many questions. I said that there was symbolism in her doing the finger-sign at the end, that's how they met and it's memorable, so ending the game with it gives the game a finality and a sense that, that's how their relationship began and even after everything they went through, it's still growing. She did the finger sign then he went and kissed her, I highly doubt she used her sorcess powers to control him to make him kiss her.
And, I was just saying, that -alot- of this thread is being ignored, because there's nothing to say to the symbolism thing, because you can't argue it, it's correct.

@Neo: Ah, I see you did :P But you didn't say it as blunt, and rudely as I did ;)

I'm not sure how to even react to most of your post seeing as it didn't even touch most of what I was talking about. I never said that it was about the Shooting Star.

Now, lets start with why he saw Ultimecia in that flashback. When you think of enduring friendship, normally a bad instance comes into mind. Why? Because friendships are actually tested at bad times. I know I can easily relate to that notion. Squall had to think back, and when he remembered Rinoa, he remembered how he almost lost Rinoa to Ultimecia (thus Rinoa turning into Ulti in the flashback), but their friendship endured. That scene was Symbolism at its simplest.

Continuing. You asked my why Ultimecia was interested in the party. I'm going to quote The Crystal now. "Ultimecia wanted to stop the legendary SeeD from killing her, thus she decided time compression was the only way." (Or something to that degree). Thus Ultimecia was interested in killing ANY SeeD. If your a SeeD there's a chance your the legendary SeeD, therefore you must die. Thats not a theory, thats simple logic. Now, consider how many times the Party attacked Edea, and foiled Ulti. Unless Ultimecia was a total retard, it should've been obvious the party was the Legendary SeeD, and should instantly have her attention.

Finally, this game is full of crappy plot and poor writing. There I said it. Why was Rinoa so interested in Squall? Because Square needed the love story to work, and they wanted to shove it in your face early. And apparently it worked as you can see there are so many "OMG SQUALLxRINOA FOREVER THEY ARE TEH CUTEST EVERZ!" fans out there. Square didn't want to imply R=U, they wanted to pump out a love story.

Now, you ask me to answer to my "theories". First off, this is your theory thread, you should be providing facts. Which again, you have still yet to show anything that isn't mindless misinterpretation.
But do you really want me to kill this with facts you can't disprove? Fine. I will.

A. Time is NOT Compressed right in the beginning of the game. If time was compressed, then Ultimecia's whole goal doesn't make sense "I need to time compress, an already Time Compressed world!" Think about that for a second.

B. There is NO proof, evidence, or any type of fact at all, saying that sorceress's can have lifespans that stretch across time. Its stated that Ultimecia lives in the distant future. If R did = U, then how did Rinoa live that long? A question you can't answer.

C. This game DOES have a timeline. Face it, time isn't compressed, you can't prove that, and if you need to fight that battle right now then you can't back this theory at all. With that said that means if R=U then Rinoa is Ultimecia's past self which leaves many questions unanswerable.

i. Ultimecia almost killed Rinoa in space. If R=U Ultimecia would never risk that, knowing she could have killed herself.

ii. Why doesn't Ultimecia recognize you? In the last scene you come face to face with her, it doesn't make sense for her to not acknowledge she knows who you are (surprise is a powerful ally).

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All what I can say is that why don't you disprove R=U and my theories? I'd love to see information that could disprove em

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Much of your "proof" seems to be misinterpretations or illogical assumptions. You also say that your theories must be true, because they can't be disproved. The fact is, you can't say if something is true if your only reason for saying that is that "it can't be disproved." Using your logic, one could say that a child's imaginary friend exists because "it can't be disproved."

Seriously, if you want to argue about something, you need real proof.

And I'm pretty sure Square themselves also say that R=U is false. There's an obvious fact that can disprove your theories.

Goldenboko, I'm pretending to be youself:

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A. Time is NOT Compressed right in the beginning of the game. If time was compressed, then Ultimecia's whole goal doesn't make sense "I need to time compress, an already Time Compressed world!" Think about that for a second.

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That comment is not a fact, show me what actually said/displayed that from the game

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B. There is NO proof, evidence, or any type of fact at all, saying that sorceress's can have lifespans that stretch across time. Its stated that Ultimecia lives in the distant future. If R did = U, then how did Rinoa live that long? A question you can't answer.

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That comment is not a fact, show me what actually said/displayed that from the game.

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C. This game DOES have a timeline. Face it, time isn't compressed, you can't prove that, and if you need to fight that battle right now then you can't back this theory at all. With that said that means if R=U then Rinoa is Ultimecia's past self which leaves many questions unanswerable.

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That comment is not a fact, show me what actually said/displayed that from the game.

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i. Ultimecia almost killed Rinoa in space. If R=U Ultimecia would never risk that, knowing she could have killed herself.

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That comment is not a fact, show me what actually said/displayed that from the game.

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ii. Why doesn't Ultimecia recognize you? In the last scene you come face to face with her, it doesn't make sense for her to not acknowledge she knows who you are (surprise is a powerful ally).

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That comment is not a fact, show me what actually said/displayed that from the game.

See? You have been acting like that or at least to a degree. I've provided facts, why don't you check out the game and disprove/verify them? Otherwise, it's pointless to ask for facts again and again.
I asked you to watch the TC video because the facts are in it, but you simply ignored that and kept agruing with me. *Sigh*

You never linked me to this "video" you told me of it, but never linked me to the exact link, or told me where it is. I find it more organized to actually post what you have to say anyway.

Now, I'm not even going to dignify what you said with a response now. You are an idiot, I'm going to explain this to your peasized brain so hopefully the next poor soul who tries to question you might get an actual response.

The process of debating a theory.

Person A makes a theory from facts-> Person B questions facts, shows holes in the reasoning and ideas from the theory, showing other, more plausible alternatives-> Person A tries to see if their theory can account for holes, and answer the questions and sees if there are holes in Person B's alternative-> Person B repeats what Person A did. And it repeats until a conclusion has been drawn.

I did my half, and you, being an idiot, have yet to give me your half, of giving me manageable facts from the game, answering my alternatives showing holes, or even ever going back to in game stated material.


Let me sum this up, because, like before, you will probably skip my entire post, because reading is far too difficult for you.

You don't have any logistic skills, debating with you is like debating with a deranged monkey, have fun in your happy made up fantasy world.

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have fun in your happy made up fantasy world.

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Sarcasm aside, isn't this exactly what we all do whenever we're playing a FF game?

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have fun in your happy made up fantasy world.

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Sarcasm aside, isn't this exactly what we all do whenever we're playing a FF game?

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Hell, it's what I do for my day to day life. :P

Interesting idea.

This thread is pretty unsalvageable! Let's close with some facts.

• Rinoa is just pointing at a shooting star.
• No one is Ultimecia but Ultimecia.
• However mundane the topic, it would be in you kids' best interests to debate with more civility in the future. Goldenboko in particular should consider himself Warned for his inflammatory inflammatories.

Excellent. Well done. Thank you.