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Maybe Shlup likes to eat grass. Don't discriminate!Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceglow
Ahh but you see you're missing my point. We can raise livestock on poor soil such as is commonly found in places like Wales and Scotland but we cannot grow many if any crops there. Sheep will happily live their entire lives eating grass humans won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shlup
That might be because Shlup is a complete cow... lmfao :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by MirageMaybe Shlup likes to eat grass. Don't discriminate!Quote:
Originally Posted by IceglowAhh but you see you're missing my point. We can raise livestock on poor soil such as is commonly found in places like Wales and Scotland but we cannot grow many if any crops there. Sheep will happily live their entire lives eating grass humans won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shlup
The answer is there are simply too many humans. About 5 billion of them just need to disappear.
You'd be surprised about grass's health benefits.
... *omnomnom*
It takes a lot of vegetation to raise a pound of meat. If you think the animals are all eating grass that already happens to grow there, and that many acres of farmable land aren't used to make food for livestock, you're very uninformed. There's also the issue of the livestock themselves poisoning the soil and nearby water supplies. And those are just a couple of problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceglowAhh but you see you're missing my point. We can raise livestock on poor soil such as is commonly found in places like Wales and Scotland but we cannot grow many if any crops there. Sheep will happily live their entire lives eating grass humans won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shlup
Damn right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22EOFF: where the playground retorts you learned in the 1st grade are still perfectly valid arguments. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Shlup
I don't think he's suggesting that doesn't happen. What he is saying is there are many places in the world where livestock is raised because they can't farm the land for anything else. I remember reading the percentages somewhere a while ago, but sadly I can't remember where, but they did indicate that a significant portion of the land which can be used to raise food on the Earth isn't suitable for anything but livestock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shlup
Now, that isn't to say that people don't use farmable land to raise food for livestock. They absolutely do, in large part because feeding animals like cows grain is a remarkably easy way to fatten them up so that farmers can sell them for more money come slaughtering time. But regardless, we produce more food than we can actually eat right now, so if some land which could raise crops is used to produce meat instead (which I fully believe is absolutely necessary to a healthy diet), then I'm not going to complain too much.
That's more a failing of modern farming techniques though, not simply raising animals period. And modern farming techniques in general tend to be bad for nutrient levels in soil, soil erosion, and water supplies in the area, whether you're raising livestock or plants. There's a serious problem there, but it's not solely caused by raising meat, which absolutely can be done responsibly just like raising crops. Only problem is, it's more expensive which means a whole host of other problems would spill out of it if we tried to fix it. And we already have government organizations like the USDA giving out some fairly substantial subsidies to control the prices of food as it is. This is the sort of stuff which I think is actually worth complaining about.Quote:
There's also the issue of the livestock themselves poisoning the soil and nearby water supplies. And those are just a couple of problems.
Or that's what you WANT us to think, don't you? All part of a bigger plot, I'm sure.
I love how I can troll Americans every other week and get tonnes of rep, but HC tries once and sets off a nuclear drama bomb.
Trolling a country of more than 300 million people is funny because they're all exactly the same and the rest of the world looks down on them all of the time. Trolling about nutrition is serious business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Citizen Bleys
Sadly, I only wish that last sentence were a joke. People always say you should avoid discussing religion and politics to avoid arguments. Nutrition should be added to that list as well.
I think there are lots of people who can take jokes about nutrition well enough, but at the same time, it's also the kind of thing people are going to get antsy about when it deals with a deliberate life-style choice, or if it's just part of their culture. I remember telling someone that skyline chili is disgusting once, and they said I was insulting their city's cuisine. :greenie: Woops.