If I were to make a political party...

I like to breathe too, but I know that second-hand smoke is only life threatening when exposed almost constantly for many years. Again, I don't really think we have the right to deny people the right to smoke, we already deny people so many rights already. I don't really like taking rights away from people unless it is utterly necessary.

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So I have the right to assault people in public places? Or maybe to kill people in public places? Because, you know, it's in public so I have the right.

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I fail to see how this can relate to smoking, assault is something wholly different. As I said above, it takes years of regular exposure to smoke to cause serious damage.

Unless you have asthma or weak lungs, in which case, only a few days of second hand smoke can prove fatal.

Take care all.

Yes. It was once reported on the news that a woman had lung cancer due to second-hand smoke, yet she didn't smoke, and neither did her family, both childhood and currently. She was never around smoke consistently.

Really? I hadn't heard of any such cases. Would you happen to have a link?

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Originally Posted by King Bahamut

People also have an unalienable right to breathe. If I wish to breath clean air, then I should have that right above a person who wishes to breathe air full of poison. One could even argue that smoking in a public place is terrorism. You're releasing a poison in a public place which kills people. Whether or not it's intentional is another story. :p

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For God's sake ·_·

I am a smoker, OK, I don't think banning smoke would make you very popular. Right to breathe? Not breathe air full of posion? Then ban cars, motorbikes, factories, planes, ships...

You wish to ban unhealthy things? Ban McDonald's, ban mobile phones, ban computer monitors, ban televisions, ban Britney Spears music, ban extra hours from work, ban George Bush speeches...

Then again, since I am a terrorist smoker, I have to beware since I have in my hands a weapon of mass destruction, by smoking I am releasing a gas that kills people. I thought people arround me fell to the ground dead because of my body odor, but now I see I am in fact wrong.

Would you ban Humphrey Bogart films too? Hell, you are taking the whole politically right crap too far.

I can understand the banning of smoking in public, closed areas. For example, the office, the mall, the supermarket, the restaurant, the bus...OK. However, banning smoking in- for example- the middle of the street or the park is just ridiculous. You do not want second hand smoking, well, when you see the smoker you have a wide space to walk away from him. Also, I can't defend banning smoke from pubs, it's like...painting Notre Damme pink, only I can understand some people may agree with it (With banning smoke, anyone who wants a pink cathedral deserves to be shot inmediately). I still think it would take the charm out of it.

Think of all the money you would save if you didn't have to buy cigarettes anymore.

Besides, whether you enjoy it or not, it does kill the person who is using it, and what disgusts me more is that people profit from it, like Big Business.

Take care all.

[qq=Behold the Void]Really? I hadn't heard of any such cases. Would you happen to have a link?[/qq]
Remembering the case more, it was in a health video I watched in 9th grade, showing a clip of a news broadcast or something. I'll ask my health teacher tomorrow what the title of that video was.

[qq=Shadow Nexus]For God's sake ·_·

I am a smoker, OK, I don't think banning smoke would make you very popular. Right to breathe? Not breathe air full of posion? Then ban cars, motorbikes, factories, planes, ships...[/qq]

All of those things are necessary for our society to operate properly. They have a purpose. Cars, motorbikes, planes, and ships provide needed transportation. Factories are a must for our industrial economy. Bannings cars would completely destroy the way our current society operates.

[qq=Shadow Nexus]You wish to ban unhealthy things? Ban McDonald's, ban mobile phones, ban computer monitors, ban televisions, ban Britney Spears music, ban extra hours from work, ban George Bush speeches...[/qq]
Every single thing you just listed, besides the McDonald's, does not affect my physical health at all. I'm not sure what point you were trying to make. And I have a choice on whether I choose to go to McDonald's...it seems as if I never have a choice on being besides smokers. If I have to wait a certain place for a ride, like today, outside of Best Buy, and someone beside me smokes, I cannot move. It should be them that goes far away, to a place where nobody has to deal with it. And cigarette smoke travels, so that limits them to pretty much only alleys, and their homes.

[qq=Shadow Nexus]Then again, since I am a terrorist smoker, I have to beware since I have in my hands a weapon of mass destruction, by smoking I am releasing a gas that kills people. I thought people arround me fell to the ground dead because of my body odor, but now I see I am in fact wrong. [/qq]
I hope you would realize that the analogy to terrorism was meant in sarcasm, as noted by the :p after saying it. However, terrorists often use poison gas as a means of their destructive evils, and cigarette smoke is a poison.

[qq=Shadow Nexus]Would you ban Humphrey Bogart films too? Hell, you are taking the whole politically right crap too far.[/qq]
This is getting ridiculous. Watching a Humphrey Bogart won't make me cough and keep me from breathing.

[qq=Shadow Nexus]I can understand the banning of smoking in public, closed areas. For example, the office, the mall, the supermarket, the restaurant, the bus...OK. However, banning smoking in- for example- the middle of the street or the park is just ridiculous. You do not want second hand smoking, well, when you see the smoker you have a wide space to walk away from him.[/qq]
Say I'm there first. A smoke comes up besides me, as it's happened many times while I'm waiting for a ride, and they begin to smoke. I'm not about to walk away from him; it's him infringing on my right to breathe. I'm not gonna to go out of my way to breathe right. Smokers can handle clean air; many non-smokers, like myself, cannot handle smoke-filled air. The air of smoke is so putrid to me, I cannot even be within 20 feet of it, because it does travel that far.

[qq=Shadow Nexus]Also, I can't defend banning smoke from pubs, it's like...painting Notre Damme pink, only I can understand some people may agree with it (With banning smoke, anyone who wants a pink cathedral deserves to be shot inmediately). I still think it would take the charm out of it.[/qq]
I will give you the pub issue. A pub is a place where you know there will be smoke, and you can choose not to go in. However, a street or a park, there shouldn't have to be smoke in it. Not judging, but many times a cigarette smoker chooses not to care about the people around him/her, and refuses to put their cigarette out when asked, even when children are near. A cigarette smoker should only be allowed to smoke in a place where nobody can be harmed by its destructive poisons. And determining what is "safe" is much too hard; ban it in public altogether is the best means, in my opinion.

Most of your post seems to be based on thinly thought-out material, and grasping for irrelevant information. Few times do smokers realize how disgusting it is to all other people, and how much cigarette smokers effect non-smokers' lives. I'm not saying this is you, but it is still true. Many times people do not have choices on whether they have to breathe the poisonous air created by cigarettes, and the health of both people should be put first, as opposed to the smoker's addiction. If they wish to poison themselves and kill themselves, they should be free to do that only at their home, where the smoke cannot affect other people.

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All of those things are necessary for our society to operate properly. They have a purpose. Cars, motorbikes, planes, and ships provide needed transportation. Factories are a must for our industrial economy. Bannings cars would completely destroy the way our current society operates.

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Yes, yes, I know. My point was....don't call our air "clean air", for God's sake.

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The air of smoke is so putrid to me, I cannot even be within 20 feet of it, because it does travel that far.

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Well, if the smoke moves to the west, position yourself to the east. I don't think it's such a big deal.

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I hope you would realize that the analogy to terrorism was meant in sarcasm, as noted by the after saying it. However, terrorists often use poison gas as a means of their destructive evils, and cigarette smoke is a poison.

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Uh, yeah, I could guess that, but it still sounded pseudo-serious. Like "I joke about it buy I am partly right".

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This is getting ridiculous. Watching a Humphrey Bogart won't make me cough and keep me from breathing.

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Every single thing you just listed, besides the McDonald's, does not affect my physical health at all. I'm not sure what point you were trying to make.

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And this is where I was being sarcastic. Plus, Britney Spears- according to scientifical investigations by the University of Elbonia, lowers your IQ permanently a 25%.

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Not judging, but many times a cigarette smoker chooses not to care about the people around him/her, and refuses to put their cigarette out when asked, even when children are near.

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Well, and sometimes people stab other people in the eyes. Idiots are everywhere, smokers and non-smokers, I don't think what you are saying is a valid point, because it depends on the attitude of the person. It's like wanting to declare dry law because some people get drunk.

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Think of all the money you would save if you didn't have to buy cigarettes anymore.

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What, you think I am going to waste money con cancer sticks? :p

In fact, above I said I was a smoker. No, I am not, I am a person that smokes. In other words, I enjoy smoking, hell, I really do, but I realise I do not want it to become an addiction, so I smoke leaving big gaps of time between smoke and smoke. In other words, I just smoke one or two cigarrettes per week, and if I overpass that limit, I don't smoke in all the next week. I haven't smoked this week, for example. I have never bought a pack: I ask friends for a cigarrette.

[qq=Shadow Nexus]What, you think I am going to waste money con cancer sticks?

In fact, above I said I was a smoker. No, I am not, I am a person that smokes. In other words, I enjoy smoking, hell, I really do, but I realise I do not want it to become an addiction, so I smoke leaving big gaps of time between smoke and smoke. In other words, I just smoke one or two cigarrettes per week, and if I overpass that limit, I don't smoke in all the next week. I haven't smoked this week, for example. I have never bought a pack: I ask friends for a cigarrette.[/qq]
Somebody must purchase them. They are giving that money to people who, even now, don't admit that cigarette smoking is addictive, and kills. While you may not be, most cigarette "smokers" are addicted. They become obsessed with smoking, and these are the people which ignore the requests of others to put out their cigarettes. I, for one, have asked around 10 people to put out their cigarettes, and not a single one has. They laugh at me and tell me that it's "my problem." I can only base my judgments on those who I have dealt with.

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Originally Posted by King Bahamut

Somebody must purchase them. They are giving that money to people who, even now, don't admit that cigarette smoking is addictive, and kills. While you may not be, most cigarette "smokers" are addicted. They become obsessed with smoking, and these are the people which ignore the requests of others to put out their cigarettes. I, for one, have asked around 10 people to put out their cigarettes, and not a single one has. They laugh at me and tell me that it's "my problem." I can only base my judgments on those who I have dealt with.

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Uh...were you in an open space? I don't know if I'd turn my cigarrette out, cause I only have one a week :b But I'd probably just move to another place and finish the cigarrette there. Well, thats what I do when people are bothered. Of course, the places where I generally smoke are:

1- Poetry class. Everyone's a smoker there, and the people who are not are really not bothered by smoke.

2- University, student's room, or how I like to call it, "the marihuana submarine". After entering there, even if you haven't smoked a thing, you are...a little bit happy...for some reason..related to....nice smell :D I bet this only happens at the Philosophy university. Oh, and in the art one.

"1- Poetry class. Everyone's a smoker there, and the people who are not are really not bothered by smoke.

2- University, student's room, or how I like to call it, "the marihuana submarine". After entering there, even if you haven't smoked a thing, you are...a little bit happy...for some reason..related to....nice smell I bet this only happens at the Philosophy university. Oh, and in the art one."

We must live in two very different types of societies. If either of these instances occurred on campus at the school I attend, you'd be in a heap of trouble. Then again, most places in America are much more strict when it comes to smoking when compared with places in Europe.

Take care all.

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We must live in two very different types of societies. If either of these instances occurred on campus at the school I attend, you'd be in a heap of trouble. Then again, most places in America are much more strict when it comes to smoking when compared with places in Europe.

Take care all.

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Really? Well, in my university it is normal to see someone smoking weed outside the class. In fact, I bet most teachers smoke weed too, so well, it's not like anyone has a problem with that, except for the puritan Opus Dei metaphysics teachers :D

Most American campuses, I believe, usually have more alcohol than drugs, not to say that drugs aren't used in large quantities as well. But they do at least ATTEMPT to crack down on it.