Maybe they are. Maybe not. Either way, they haven't got a clue, and their ideas on anything involving the supposed morality of their vegetrianism are warped.Quote:
Or are you saying lions are evil for eating antelope?
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Maybe they are. Maybe not. Either way, they haven't got a clue, and their ideas on anything involving the supposed morality of their vegetrianism are warped.Quote:
Or are you saying lions are evil for eating antelope?
Last time I say this: Eating meat is not murder. You're consuming something that's already dead. Eating meat is not a thing like the Holocaust. We don't strip cows of their "dignity" by raping them or forcing them to dig useless ditches in the ground. The Nazis killed purely because they hated their victims. Animals are killed for food. You're saying it's unethical to kill animals would be just like us saying it's totally unethical to kill plants. Read Big D's post again, since I don't feel like repeating the things he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowman
Comparing a chicken to a human being? If you were forced to make a choice to kill 5,000 chickens or 5,000 human babies, which would you choose? Would you have a hard time deciding? What if your own child was among the 5,000 babies?
You also talked about evolution. Well, plants, as well, are evolving. Say within... Oh 100 years, plants started making sounds of their own and could even wail in pain, what would you, or your children, eat then?
I'll become a vegetarian when they class steak as the new vegetable :)
There exists very little rationalisation not to eat animals. The only ones I know of is that animals are sentient, so hurting them is bad. Also since they are alive, killing them is bad.
So by the same token, we shouldn't eat vegetables because odds are we harvest them while they are alive. So by eating anything, we have to justify killing. Knowing this, I just completely ignored the argument that eating animals is murder -- we murder things ALL THE TIME. I'm not arguing some sort of appeal to common practice, but that killing things is not innately terrible/monsterous.
However senselessly causing misery and suffering is bad. Though I don't actively attempt to prevent this, nor do I really care, I acknowledge that it is wrong. If eating battery eggs or beef makes me a party to this immoral practice, then I'm immoral. It's still not going to stop me from doing it though.
Because we have to eat, it follows that we must abide by the belief that "not all life is equal". Unless you're hypervegan that is...*shrug*
Really aren't good or bad, right or wrong, righteous or evil all just opinions? For example some people say that rabbits are evil and others say they're cute. It's all a matter of someones humble (or not so humble) opinion at the end of the day. Does anyone ever think of the thoughts of the losers of a war in the aftermath? no it's all about the glorious victory by the winners.Quote:
Or are you saying lions are evil for eating antelope?
If we make a choice and can stand by that choice then there is not a problem with that it's really only if you cant stand by your choices in life you have a problem. Who cares what other people think or say about something if you are happy and can live with it?
Oh and Snowman...
I know I can achieve slightly more in a sparring match or a fight than what I currently achieve and as far as I can tell I'm making as much of my advantages as possible I incorporate movement learnt in the 10 years or more of ice skating I did to enhance my evasiveness (essentially following the old idea that combat of any sort is a "dance of death" and taking it literally) I also tend to fight in a defensive stance and crouch slightly to bring my point of gravity to a lower area making it harder to throw me but being 9st with "stringy" muscles of a dancer or runner I just lack in the physical strength department to resist for long but I'm faster than all of them I only have to worry if they can catch me first :) (easier said than done)
I will agree that causing animals to suffer is bad, but we have a whole bunch of organizations working to prevent that. And once an animal's dead, there's nothing at all wrong with eating it. I have as much right to live as any other animal. Me and KB and another friend just ate 3 pounds of cow for lunch today, and I don't have any qualms about that. If all animals were allowed to grow to a ripe old age, and have lots of offspring, etc. etc., the world would be overrun by them and they would end up starving to death from food shortage anyway. Is that any more humane than being killed in a slaughterhouse? When people try to be morally superior by doing things like refusing to eat meat, they are upsetting the natural balance of the world.
I don't really see how becoming vegan helps your cause. For every vegan that is born, 10 omnivores are born at the same time.
Why do you have to bring this up in almost everything you say? You act like you have a personal grudge against the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowman
For the love of God, get off of your high-horse.
For every vegan and vegetarian blighting our landscape, there is always a brilliant mind to combat them.
I am sick and tired of being called "evil" because I choose to recognize the fact that I am a human, and therefore omnivorous.
I could go over the facts in the link I presented, but I'll let you read it for yourself, without wasting my time paraphrasing it. Vegetarians and Vegans who have the audacity to claim moral superiority over me because they won't eat meat make me sick.
I agree with Void to some extent. I am very tired of being called some sort of barbarian for living the way I do. I say vegans are the murderers here. They just won't leave those poor and literally defenseless plants alone. Shame on you! They can't even move!
Tofu has feelings too!
As do all the poor, defenseless bugs that are murdered every year to grow your crops, and the poor, defenseless wild animals that are sucked into the blades of the wheat threshers and slashed into small bits of flesh and crushed bone to make your bread.
Think of all the animals that could be eating the vegetables that you so enjoy stuffing your face with!
You know you live a privileged (read: decadent) life when you can actually choose what to eat and what not to eat. I doubt there are many vegetarians in Somalia...
I'm also fairly sure that there are PETA people down there condemning them for their evil ways of surviving.