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Originally Posted by Shoden
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What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoden
thats the same question im asking you, i deent see that quote anywhere.
I still dont think you get my point. What you would call a recycled game is what alot of people would call an RPG. Although you may not think so that story you posted seemed pretty clearly intent on making them look like the exact same game. Surely you noticed :confused: . You're story didnt bother acknoledging the details, so I did. I think you're taking me the wrong way. I can handle you having an opinion but to be honest I come here to debate FF. Thats my main reason. Dont get so pissed over it.
and the double post was for the members who understandibly couldnt be arsed to read through the first one.
you always get the last word Destai well usually i cant be arsed to do it but errr nevermind lol, this so called recycled game statement is a load of Cat piss (seriously it stinks) there was no point in posting it as it was wrong anyway FF7 achieved most things 6 never and thats not 3D graphics but it got most ff gamers into Final Fantasy as the new Playstation (man i remember when i first saw one) was quite popular and people where keen to try out new games you see that word there N-E-W if it was recycled it wouldnt be called Final Fantasy VII would it
:D Thanks but Sephs keeping me on my guard.
never let it down. finally we're on the same side of the arguement instead of against eachother maybe ill get some nachos and coca cola
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Although you may not think so that story you posted seemed pretty clearly intent on making them look like the exact same game. Surely you noticed :confused: .
My first post following the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by me
The details aren't there, because the details are what make them different games, and I have acknowledged that. Once again, the story was never meant to be taken (I assume) as a legitamate argument that they are the exact same game, or anything so bold. I don't know what you're trying to prove, honestly.Quote:
You're story didnt bother acknoledging the details, so I did. I think you're taking me the wrong way.
Well, uh, I can "handle" you having an opinion as well :). That's to say that I respect yours, and I must say that your debate abilities are rather exceptional for someone of your age. However, I didn't come here to debate. Debate is something that, to be completely honest, I don't enjoy at all. I mean, it's not fun for me in the slightest. I get the most enjoyment out of these forums from posting game tips and helping those who are stuck, and that's the most rewarding way I can utilize my time at these boards. I'm definitely the fence-sitter type who understands both sides of the argument, and I don't like making enemies, or upsetting people. It's just my nature, really.Quote:
I can handle you having an opinion but to be honest I come here to debate FF. Thats my main reason.
I'll say again that I respect your opinion, and your debate skill, but..
That's your flaw. By trying with this statement to imply that I'm for some reason getting upset over this whole thing is childish, when in fact I've done nothing but camly defend myself from two people (just as you've calmly iterated your points, which is admirable) even when Shoden (who is obviously the most affected by this whole thing) is, from what I can tell, dancing around the idea of going so far as calling me an idiot (I apologize Shoden, if I'm just paranoid and that's a completely false interpretation).Quote:
Dont get so pissed over it.
By the way, there's another big reason I don't like debate:
It's because people don't easily alter the opinions that they stand by so firmly. This can be applied to you and I both. The fact that it's hard to accomplish any amount of mind changing puts me off of trying to make an effort. You appear firm on your stance, and that's completely understandable. I've only appeared less so on mine because, like I mentioned, I'm a big "fence sitter" and I don't like pissing people off, but in general people don't change so easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destai
Ah, that's understandable. I skimmed through your post for and picked up a good bit of it, and I would have surely seen this at the bottom, too. I just didn't know if you were aware about the double posting rule, so I just wanted to let you know before a CK did.Quote:
and the double post was for the members who understandibly couldnt be arsed to read through the first one.
And I have to put more emphasis on the point that you have thus far debated admirably and I doubt I could have been so capable a few years ago.
wow...I really appreaciate that! Thanks ^^
gee and these days i thought being lasy alot was legal and entertaining but it seems not maybe ill go find a dictionary and pee off ppl with big words
"ANTIDISIFARIANISMDISTISTABLISHMENT" (think thats it) longest word in the english language
FFVII, fun to play, sure, but definitely overhyped. It's got a lot going for it, but there's also many things that really detracted from it for me.
1) Reprehensible translation. It's bad enough when there's some basic grammatial mistake that looks bad but leaves the sentence legible, but it goes WAY beyond that. The grammar is frequently confusingly bad, and sometimes the sentences are so badly mangled you have no idea what's going on. Sure, "This man are sick" is cute, but I still have no idea what is meant by "Hmmm, so that's how you'll fool them" "Hmmm, so that's how you fooled them".
2) Cliche'd characters who never fail to stray from the archetype. Cloud is a mercenary with a mysterious past. Sound familiar? If it does, that's because you've read any of a great deal of stories dealing with just such a character. Then of course we have Barret, the sassy black man. Cid is the gritty older guy who's also the archetypical "I missed my big shot in life" guy who OMG PLOT TWIST gets another chance to live his dream!!! Yuffie is of course the obnoxious Japanese school girl, Vincent is that guy in your English Lit class who sits away from everyone else, wears all black, thinks sunglasses indoors make you cool, and writes really, really bad poetry about his twisted soul. He also really likes the bands Skinny Puppy, Ministry, and Front 242. Aeris is the martyr (duh), Tifa is the eye candy, Cait Sith is the mole, and Red XIII is an interesting combination of the teenager who's mad at his parents and the native american. I'm not even going to talk about the villains....
3) Obnoxious and juvenile tone of story. Sure, the basic plot isn't bad at all (when you can make sense of it...), but it's all done so melodramatically. Everything has just a bit too much pathos, it really makes it hard to get behind the characters. Another problem is that the tone is established fairly early on, but it's not maintained. It gets broken up with lots of awkward sillines and plot events that feel very forced.
As far as the game being like FFVI.... Yeah, it has similarities. Many games in the same series have similarities. I definitely like FFVI more though.
i never really liked 6 very much
No problemo ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Destai
Well, at least you know where you stand, and you're sticking by your opinion :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Shoden
I definitely will not disagree that FF7 did a good job of converting many casual gamers into FF fans. It was also responsible for making the RPG genre appear to be more 'chic', whereas before it was basically for nerds (not that I have a problem with nerds, or being one, for that matter). The game deserves immense respect just in that regard alone. However, which game is better will always be a matter of personal opinion. It's personally my second or third favorite in the series (I'm undecided), and it was the first one I played. There's something about VI that I will always personally favor. The 2D games as a whole, especially FFs IV - VI, have an undescribable magic that makes me feel fuzzy inside. VI encapsulates the most of that magic, and that's why it's my personal favorite.Quote:
anyway FF7 achieved most things 6 never and thats not 3D graphics but it got most ff gamers into Final Fantasy as the new Playstation (man i remember when i first saw one) was quite popular and people where keen to try out new games you see that word there N-E-W if it was recycled it wouldnt be called Final Fantasy VII would it
Im pretty sure the European version have better translations. They definitely had in our version FFIV( which was released with V on the PS1 if you have the Snes in mind).None of the text in the games has been noticeably bad gramatically but Im getting more and more pushed to play through them again with an eye for detail.Quote:
This man are sick
"the man are sick" that siunds like something coming out of a 7 year old Rofl, my version was european and had emerald and ruby in so it was slightly a mixed up version.
"the man are sick" that sounds like something coming out of a 7 year old Rofl, my version was european and had emerald and ruby in so it was slightly a mixed up version.