your fav ff1 class/team

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Originally Posted by Joshkabob

Am I the only one who has a monk? Seriously, His damage is higher then the Warrior's. My Monk is level 28 and my Warrior is level 29, The Monk averages about 364 and my warrior averages 284. The only downside to monk is relitivly low hp.

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That isn't the only downside, dude.

Other downsides include:
1. Terribble armor value and defense which makes those fewer HPs worth even less!
2. No magic at all! Not after class change, certainly not before.
3. Nothing special about him. At least the Thief can run from nearly all enemies because of high agility. The Black Belt is entirely boring except for hard hitting skill.

Now, I think that you're not playing the game right. At level 29, the fighter and black belt should be about even. I have a feeling that you're gyping the fighter out of equipment that he should be carrying or else you're levelling too high for the game. To be honest, I'd have the game beat by that time. It sounds like your characters are at level 14 or 15 and your fighter is still carrying a silver sword. The bb only really supercedes the fighter at the teens in the Earth Cave before the Fighter can drop his Silver Sword, and then much later in the game.
You give your fighter a weapon he deserves at level 29, like a Sun Sword or the Defense, or, better still, the Xcalibur, and he should still be on par with the BB until around level 40 (At which point the damage ratios really shouldn't matter).

Usually, it is extremely important to add, the bb doesn't do THAT much more damage than the fighter either. As you said yourself, it's 364 vs. 284. That's less than 100 damage.

Are you saying that your preference is a predominantly weaker character in all the dimensions of HP, armor value, and black and white magic capacity simply on the basis that it can do around 100 (Give or take) damage more than a fighter?

That's ridiculous. Add in the fact that the bb will need help from a white mage in order to stay alive, and then you've got one character less involved in the battle ON PRINCIPLE. Having 2 fighters would eliminate that necessity, and an offensive white mage, or a WM that isn't devoted to a single character, becomes worth far more than 80 extra damage against an enemy per turn.

My experience is that the fighter does more damage than the black belt. Especially in boss fights. (The BB is generally doing 0 damage)

uhm dude, the black belt isn't as bad in the FF: DoS version of the game, and it would make sense that that is the version he refers to, monk and warrior as opposed to fighter and black belt.

But the black belt will eventually exceed the fighter in the NES version to, it just takes longer and you never usually reach that point, however in the DoS version, you don't really even have to try and he exceeds the fighter.

But either way, I like the black belt for the fact that he is cheap and can carry the extra weapons.

THE JACKEL

Figher/Thief/White Mage/Black Mage or Fighter/Fighter/White Mage/Black Mage

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But the black belt will eventually exceed the fighter in the NES version to, it just takes longer and you never usually reach that point, however in the DoS version, you don't really even have to try and he exceeds the fighter.

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Exceeds fighter in damage maybe, but not overall usefulness. :p

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Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9

uhm dude, the black belt isn't as bad in the FF: DoS version of the game, and it would make sense that that is the version he refers to, monk and warrior as opposed to fighter and black belt.

But the black belt will eventually exceed the fighter in the NES version to, it just takes longer and you never usually reach that point, however in the DoS version, you don't really even have to try and he exceeds the fighter.

But either way, I like the black belt for the fact that he is cheap and can carry the extra weapons.

THE JACKEL

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Well, can you give me a clue as to what makes the Black Belt better in DoS?

Does his armor get better? Does he get some cool evade? Is this "carrying extra weapons" significant?

Because more damage still doesn't seem cool enough to make it the "best" character (Which is my reasoning for why so few people mentioned the black belt or monk or whatever), even if the "Monk" suddenly doesn't suck.

white mage / white mage / white mage / white mage

Like a bull in a china shop.

Blackmage/Whitemage/Theif/Fighter.

I know it's stereotypical, but it's just cool! Healing/making bosses run is obviously a manditory, when the wm is down theif's good to have so YOU can run, fighter's brawn is unmatched, (I don't feel like wasting my time catering to the BB's matienance.) and obviously i'm going to pick a blackmage.

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Originally Posted by Martyr

Well, can you give me a clue as to what makes the Black Belt better in DoS?

Does his armor get better? Does he get some cool evade? Is this "carrying extra weapons" significant?

Because more damage still doesn't seem cool enough to make it the "best" character (Which is my reasoning for why so few people mentioned the black belt or monk or whatever), even if the "Monk" suddenly doesn't suck.

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Well he just get's stronger faster in the DoS version and without even trying surpasses your fighter... plus there is some pretty good armor exclusive for him. I never said the BB was the best character, I just think he's a good member of my best team, especially considering I've always chosen to fight over magic...

THE JACKEL

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Originally Posted by DarkLadyNyara

There is something wrong with a boss being able to run... :mad:

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Kary doesn't run unless you play your cards right! In other words, most people would not expect a boss to be able to run. The only time Kary runs (and only the first time you fight her) is if you cast FEAR. Furthermore, because her morale is 255, your level needs to be pretty high, and there is still a chance that it won't work.

I don't see a problem with the STUN-spell category (which includes FEAR) being Kary's weakness. In case you weren't aware, using the Bane Sword on Tiamat is sometimes enough to bring her down in a single blow (BANE is her weakness). Most folks just wouldn't expect it, that's all.

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Originally Posted by Harvest Moon

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... Right on, buddy! I think I'm one of the few people in my town (Lubbock, Texas) who made the rational choice and voted for Kerry...

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Originally Posted by Meat Puppet

white mage / white mage / white mage / white mage

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As much as I appreciate the White Mage (my Dragon Warrior online character was a Pilgrim), fighting with only White Mages can be a tough game! However, I thought about it the other day, and if you balanced out their weak fighting ability with black belts, you would have an inexpensive powerhouse which was able to maintain itself!

The party would be either:
(A) 3-Black Belts, 1-White Mage, or...
(B) 2-Black Belts, 2-White Mages.

Black belts hit really hard later on, and are super fast without their weapons (lots of hits). However they can't equip much (and therefore take alot of damage), so they need a healer to be present.

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Originally Posted by Martyr

That isn't the only downside, dude.

Other downsides include:
1. Terribble armor value and defense which makes those fewer HPs worth even less!
2. No magic at all! Not after class change, certainly not before.
3. Nothing special about him. At least the Thief can run from nearly all enemies because of high agility. The Black Belt is entirely boring except for hard hitting skill.

Now, I think that you're not playing the game right. At level 29, the fighter and black belt should be about even. I have a feeling that you're gyping the fighter out of equipment that he should be carrying or else you're levelling too high for the game. To be honest, I'd have the game beat by that time. It sounds like your characters are at level 14 or 15 and your fighter is still carrying a silver sword. The bb only really supercedes the fighter at the teens in the Earth Cave before the Fighter can drop his Silver Sword, and then much later in the game.
You give your fighter a weapon he deserves at level 29, like a Sun Sword or the Defense, or, better still, the Xcalibur, and he should still be on par with the BB until around level 40 (At which point the damage ratios really shouldn't matter).

Usually, it is extremely important to add, the bb doesn't do THAT much more damage than the fighter either. As you said yourself, it's 364 vs. 284. That's less than 100 damage.

Are you saying that your preference is a predominantly weaker character in all the dimensions of HP, armor value, and black and white magic capacity simply on the basis that it can do around 100 (Give or take) damage more than a fighter?

That's ridiculous. Add in the fact that the bb will need help from a white mage in order to stay alive, and then you've got one character less involved in the battle ON PRINCIPLE. Having 2 fighters would eliminate that necessity, and an offensive white mage, or a WM that isn't devoted to a single character, becomes worth far more than 80 extra damage against an enemy per turn.

My experience is that the fighter does more damage than the black belt. Especially in boss fights. (The BB is generally doing 0 damage)

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I'm not worried about magic at all. My guys are all around level 45 now and I just got the water crystel. But, My Knight does about 500-700, while my MAster does 700-1020. I'd sooner play the game through with four Monks then Warriors.

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Originally Posted by Joshkabob

I'm not worried about magic at all. My guys are all around level 45 now and I just got the water crystel. But, My Knight does about 500-700, while my MAster does 700-1020. I'd sooner play the game through with four Monks then Warriors.

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Fighter/Knight>>>>>>>>>Black Belt/Master. Now I am a HUGE BB fan but saying that he is better then the Knight is like saying a Bm is better then a Rm(AHAHA XD ) its not true at all. The only time the BB becomes stronger then the Knight is if you do what you do, and thats over level. Getting to level 45 is pointless considering the game is easily beaten at level 20 or lower. When you get that high any character is godlike.

My favorite class is all classes,favorite party

FF-1:

Fighter
Fighter
Theif
Bl.Belt

DOS:

Warrior
Theif
Monk or Warrior
Red Mage


My FF-1 Party is very good since i have the fighters on top so they will get the most damage...I also spend most of my money on those two fighters anyway the theif i only give him a saber and just give him new armor my Bl. Belt is given nothing but a wooden numchuck and cloth thats it....they still kick ass though.

My DOS party is the defalt party on FF-1 but it still is on my case is real good.Warrior given most attention most money spent on him, Theif given somewhat amount of attention and medium money spent on him, Monk given same amount of attention as Warrior but least amount of money since he cant equip alot of things at the start, finnaly the Red Mage is given equal attetion and is given the same amount of money spent as the Warrior.

I am haing a very tough time in my descision
Fi/Fi/BM/WM or Fi*3/Wm or Fi*2 with RM*2
any ideas {to end the fighter over blackbelt war}DOS and Fighters rock.