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No, they exist, they just didn't exist until Ivalice was created. Ivalice itself did exist too, but not until Mewt read the book.Quote:
Originally Posted by tailz
Anyway, that's my theory, and that's why I think that Marche definitely should not have left. Feel free to disagree, but I think that I'm done working to prove my point. I'm just too lazy to keep going. :D
My life has WAY too much going on right now for me to want to stay in some crazy world where judges pop up every time a minor squabble arises and people cast firaga on you for no discernable reason. I'd much rather make my magic on the wheels of steel.
i think that if it would be posible 1 or 2 persons should have stayed so ivalice would stay for sure i suggest marche and ritz or marche and doned but im a marcheXritz fan so that has my preference but k i think this discusion gets to and end just my opinion but go on pls
Ive got a Theory
Montblanc said that he remembered living here all his life..Well maybe he has. But Ivalice didnt exist until he opened the book. But my idea is that Ivalice had exsisted for much longer then that. Mewt's just a Kid, and sometimes kids (well i know i do anyway) make up their own fantasy world, to try and escape reality. So maybe, one day, years ago, after he had been picked on by the bullies and everything, he decided to go home and make up his "Fantasy World". Maybe he couldn't think of a name for his world so he just called it Ivalice, the name of his town. He remembered about how the bullies were mean to him and, well, basically bullied him, so he made them into the most unpleasant thing he could think of. A zombie. Kinda like pay back to them. When they had the book, someone asked Ritz what her favourite game was. And she said it was Final Fantasy, and they all agreed with her. So, because Mewt's favourite game was Final Fantasy, he decided to incorperate some of their ideas etc. eg. some weapon names (lionheart, Buster Sword), monsters (flans, dragons), magic (the Fire, Fira Firaga combination), and summons (Shiva, Ifrit, Carbuncle)...
So as soon as he thought of this world, it came true. So for a time, it could of maybe even been years, This Ivalice world has exsisted in Mewt's imagination. Then one day, Mewt heard about this magic book that is about monsters and magic. So he decided to get it. Once he got it, he took it to Marche's house because Marche had said his little brother Doned (can someone tell me how to pronounce Doned, Ive always gone Do-ned, or is it like Dond) will be back from the hospital soon and he enjoys Magic and Monsters. On this day, he decided to incorperate Ritz, Marche and Doned into his Ivalice, because they had helped him with the Bully situation eaeler. (Apart from Doned, but I think he was included because Mewt knew about him and how he was Marches brother, and he also knew that he was sick. But he didnt know that he couldnt walk. So thats why Doned's Illness is cured in Ivalice. So Mewt, Ritz, Marche and Doned are in Marches room, and Mewt opens up this magic book. While reading it all of his memories are kinda unleashed into this book, and the book becomes a portal to his world. Suddenly, the 4 them are in Mewt's world. Montblanc, Shara, Ezel etc. Have always been there, because his world had exsisted for a while, so their whole life may only be a few years. It was only just until now that Marche Ritz and Doned were aware of it. Because they were in it.
ty very much yuripa whe were almost doen with the discusion and you bring up a new theory so whe keep going i see (sigh)
interesting theorie really but i stick to my theorie about it being a paralel world to st ivalice im srry i prefer that one
Nah thats ok, I dont really care. Everyone has their own opinions, and evyerone is biased to their own because they created it. (I know I am)
Anyway theres not much evidence to back mine up anyway
there is no real evidence to backup anyones its al pure guessing
*Shoots tailz in the foot*Quote:
Originally Posted by tailz
What the hell do you think I did all that typing for?! Nothing?! I supplied lots of evidence. Not enough to prove it 100% to everyone, sure, but I did supply evidence.
Your theory is interesting, yuripa. A couple points, if you don't mind. First, I think that Mewt at least suspected that Doned couldn't walk. He saw him in a wheelchair, and he heard Marche say that the problem was something Doned was born with, so the logical conclusion there is that Doned cannot walk. As far as the world existing in Mewt's head... Well, sure. It is his dream world. While I don't think Mewt has anywhere near enough brains to think out all of Ivalice (down to the individual people, not even subconciously and over many years), he could easily have invented a pretend world. Your arguement just goes back to the one I mentioned previously, which is how do you define "real". I don't think Ivalice was "real" until Mewt read the book. It's inhabitants certainly weren't, because even if he had invented a pretend world, there is no way he could imagine the thought processes of thousands of people. Without independent thought processes, the inhabitants of Ivalice were not "real" until Ivalice became a "real" place.
au au au jumps trhough the room on one foot dam that hurts
yes you backed up your theories very well but there no real proof for any one of our theorie the only one who truly knows (probably) would be the person who made the story line
oh and srry skyblade it you just understood me wrong k but hell that hurts
so much text :eek:
Don't worry. In addition to being an excellent shot I am also good at First Aid.Quote:
Originally Posted by tailz
*Patches up tailz' foot, and gives him two Asprin* :D
Actually, sometimes I think that the people who write the stories know less of what is actually in the stories than the fans. I first came across this phenomenon when speaking with Star Trek fans. The original Star Trek's stories were just written as stories. The fans were the ones who took it to the next level and turned it into a massive epic. If you've seen the movie Galaxy Quest, you know what I'm talking about (if not, you need to, because it's hilarious). Fans often look much further into the stories than the writers. This is because the fans are fans. "Fan" is actually short for "fanatic". Fans are usually much more interested than the stories and characters than the writers. The only exceptions to this are when you get writers who really care about their worlds, characters, and stories (like the recent LotR movies. Peter Jackson and company all really cared about producing a top grade film from the top grade books. Because of this [ok, and because of the fact that Tolkien had already given them an extremely well planned out world to begin with] there are much fewer inconsistences than there are in say the Star Wars movies, which were made [in my opinion] just to get the money [maybe not the first one, but all the others, certainly]). If FFTA had been written by a group of people, chances are that they never fully thought out all of the nuances of the worlds that I have mentioned. They might not even have realized some of the implications of the material they added, especially since the writer's couldn't read each other's minds. Any thing that wasn't communicated clearly or wasn't mentioned to the other writers at all would be left as a potential hole that none of the writers even knew was there. It's when obsessed people like me come around that those holes get filled. ;)
thanks sky for fixing him up again
k fans no more about the story (with the exeption of lotr because tolkien was a fanatic himself and he made a beautiful story based on his own dream world :P ) btw the star wars movies arent for the money gl first planned 9 sw movies and he is busy finishing his big project its not for the money
but its true fans mostly do know more about the story but you can only think up to a point because you dont know if your correct and if it fits in the story
but i gotta go now im going out and get drunk legalie now (yipieee 2 march i became sixteen so i can legalie get drunk now :D:D)
(tailz gives skyblade a big hug and leaves his computer after pressing the "submit reply"buton so have fun here
Well, let's go back to that book itself. It's a super-powerful magical tome capable of bending reality to its user's will. It shoved them all into a purely illusory world that created itself from the ground up, being added onto as the few "real" people needed. Essentially, it gets made up as is necessary.
The biggest thing to suggest pure illusionary fantasy world is the "judge" system. Remember that snowball fight where the fight was interupted when everyone targeted Mewt? That gave him the desire for special rules to govern fights. Thus, desire granted.
The world also acted to DEFEND itself. When Monte said he remembered always being in Invalice- it wasn't because he actually had memories of the world from before it was created- it was because the fantasy world needed him to suddenly have this prior knowlege. For one thing, to stop all the "ok, this isn't real" stuff. And for another, to help out Marche- one of the things that the wish included.
EDIT: I recant some of that prior statement now. Just started the game again. You get to see images of the creatures and whatnot in the book itself. So, at least part of it needs to be set in stone, not transmutable. Whatever it was, portions, at least, were created from something other than the imaginations of the few who retained memories.
The "book scene" with the sketch-like pictures of the races is a rather odd hurdle when forming theories of the world.
The thing is, though, is that we have no idea what the scene really is. If the scene was what the kids saw when they read the book, how come none of them found it remarkable? None of them say, "Wow! The book is moving!" or, "hey, it has final fantasy characters in it!"*, they just comment that it's filled with a weird latin.
If you ask me, the sketch-scene was merely an attempt to display the book's inner workings. The book is culling Mewt's (or perhaps all of the kid's) desires into itself. I think it's still very logical to assume that the book has no real ties to Final Fantasy, but merely a magical relic that will turn its owner's deepest fantasy of utopia into reality.
* When Marche meets Montblanc, he comments that he's seen Bangaa in computer games, so it we know that the kids were familiar with the races.
this is an interesting argument, but it's all about how you look at it. You can think of it like the Matrix if you really want to. People there are oblivious and don't know it isn't real, should they be told it is or not. AND, some peaceful programs in the Matrix would be destroyed if the Matrix was destroyed. But either way, is it right to live a lie? Marche wanted to go home to the real world, because it was real...
and as for them staying after you beat it, that's so you can play some more and get everything... wouldn't be much of a game otherwise...
I don't really want to argue about it, but like I said, it's like the whole Matrix thing, it wasn't real, but no-one knew that, does that make it right to fight and try to get out and be free?
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