I have a good feeling about it, something new is always good, pick up on new things, and wont seem repeative.
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I have a good feeling about it, something new is always good, pick up on new things, and wont seem repeative.
Well there is allways the cance it well end up like Chrono Trigger or somthing. Maybe the story will be so awsome that it will make up for any flaws it might have. I guess only time will tell.
I think it looks good so far.
Think about this:
If everybody hates this new one coming out, a couple of people will be fired, and we might be able to go back to ATB or a CTB battle system.
If the battle system of this game is somewhat like Star Ocean's, I might enjoy it, even if the enjoyment is minimal.
I really hope for Final Fantasy XIII we got back to ATB.
lol I cant even conseve FFXIII yet, my mind is far to full of FFXII.
Maybe FFXIII will be realy awsome XD.
I just joined this forum to say my point since I think buddy is right in the way ff12 looks like it might bomb. Have you guy ever played star ocean?(action based with the same kinda idea of how you can use one player or switch to another also done by sqaure enix) It is a good game with a bad fighting system. How about ToS for gamecube? same thing. I play alot of ff11 (bilaal on kajuta server)
and that game has a very weak battle system. Don't try and tell me you like it cause your just lying but it was the only thing square could do. The thing that makes ff11 great is the community. Take that away and its a very boring game (you telling me you like to farm etc? or even build a job to lvl 10? no of course not it doesnt get good till you join a pt) I don't understand the way rpg's are going these days i loved all of the ff so far(except for tactics since i dont like stragedy games like that) but if they take out the battle sytem it will not be original it will be like all the other games coming out these days (with the exception of altier iris) You have to understand that when square try's to change the battle system they usually bomb only 1 game has done it and that was 10 years ago. Maybe i am just getting old lmao but games in general are losing their appeal I am finding myself playing older games via emmulation more and more. Something is missing in this gen of consoles when it went to mainstream and I know alot of people from this forum might be too young to have actually played all the square games before this at the time of thier release but if you did you would see that they peaked with 10 and since then have been going downhill. Tell me one game you loved as much as ff10 that has come out after it? x-2? lmao that was like charlie's angels with ff thrown in as an after thought. Oh and someone said that square is good with IA lmao ever played fullmetal alchemist or samurai legend musashi? Yeah guess you forgot that those are some of thier most recent "masterpeices". No I genuinly think ff12 will bomb kinda like how castlevania did but ill still buy it and try it out. And atb and turn based are pretty much the same thing by the way so no they didnt really change it just made it more challenging.
I like XI's battle system, does that mean i am lying? The only thing wrong is that if you choose to grind, it gets a little old. But in terms of fighting engine, its one of the better co-op ones out there. Skillchains and Magic Burst along with hate placement is pretty good, and alot of MMOs out there lack a real good one.
All MMOs are boring without friends, however should XI become a single player game, many things would change including that you wont be solo (as in there will be a party for one person to control) and it wouldnt be so hard to aquire Exp and farm and etc. The game was fitting for MMOs, dont compare it to offline ones. Compare it to RO or EQII or WoW, dont compare XI with IX or VII.
Take away the battle system for FF1 and see how fun it is. >_> That makes no sense, or how about taking away the battle system for every game? then they are all boring -_-
FMA could have been better yes, but you cant deny that the story is excellent and thats where most Square games shine including XI.
Haha i knew someone just had to say they enjoy ff11 battle system to spite me. Man this board has a real thing about saying square made a mistake lmao. FMA was complete garbage. I am sorry and story doesnt make up for it. Its a cartoon you know(a pretty good one) so of course they can just ask the writers of the cartoon to write the story that's not too hard.
You had nothing to say about Samurai legend Musashi of course maybe cause you haven't played it or maybe cause you know it to is complete crap. And the reason you like magic burst is cause you only pull them off if 3 people do it perfectly. Now could you imagine doing it everytime since you know that the computer won"t mess it up?
Hell you can just be the mage and go acordingly to whatever burst it should be. That would make it boring and solo in the game is exactly what it will be like (it is a solo game) The thing is you will be solo because those are just computer players and they will do it all perfectly.
I own WoW and eq2 and even linage 2 also and yes thier battle systems are a bit better but nothing when compared to ff1-10. FF1-10 has a way more enjoyable battle system than 11 thats for sure, Square knows this but had no choice but to adapt the best they could for online play.
The only thing I think that would make this game good is if you could play it with friends via mission servers or give us back an offline battle system. I wait 2 years or so to play ff games for the joys of thier battle system and the story now they are taking half the game from me, I am hoping I am wrong I might be but I have a feeling this is gonna stink gameplay wise.
Considering alot of the people that worked on the other ff games are not around for this one (mistwalker studious is said to have half the old team allready). And also considering thier newer releases that have come out, I have little hope. Maybe this will hurt thier pocket books and they will finaly give fans more consideration on what they want.
And sorry if this sounds like an attack but yes ff11 has a good story line to bad you need to find a group to do said mission(good luck you can find it after you wait in jeuno for 4 hours sending /tells with a couple ls members) and you need to be higher lvl by the time you have gotten to the point where you would have done rnk 10 it would have tooken you half a year with at least 10 hour days.
Face it ff11's story will only be enjoyed by the select few that are dedicated enuff to get to that lvl and I mean dedicated cause once you hit higher lvlvs it takes weeks to lvl and thats if you have a static party. I would say maybe 2 percent of the servers.
Square messed that game up also and that's why everyday they lose more people to WoW and Eq2. Everytime I log on it allways has some new offer to try and get you to come back and bring friends the servers are dead (tried lvling a whm in kahzam lately and no one is online after 2 am on a friday not even jp)
so yes square is making mistakes and no don't vouch for anything that says the words "Final fantasy" or "Square enix" don't belive the hype or be part of it. I will tell you this Mistwalker studio's will most likely own the next gen in terms of rpgs. It is the team that makes a good game not the company. If they lose the team then it's over.
If my opinion can smite you then i wonder how are you going to deal with everyone else that has different opinions than you. :rolleyes2 You can hate it the battle system for XI, but i find it to be much better than other MMORPGs out there. I personally do not feel they made a mistake with that one. If anything the mistake is making FF Mystic Quest..that one was horrible IMO.Quote:
Haha i knew someone just had to say they enjoy ff11 battle system to spite me. Man this board has a real thing about saying square made a mistake lmao. FMA was complete garbage. I am sorry and story doesnt make up for it. Its a cartoon you know(a pretty good one) so of course they can just ask the writers of the cartoon to write the story that's not too hard.
FMA could have been done better. However i still say the anime is very good...i never said the game was.
I dont like to comment too much about games i havent played besides maybe the odd whatever rumour or detail i hear from friends and would like more information about it. Thats why i did not comment Samurai Legend of Musashi. =/Quote:
You had nothing to say about Samurai legend Musashi of course maybe cause you haven't played it or maybe cause you know it to is complete crap. And the reason you like magic burst is cause you only pull them off if 3 people do it perfectly. Now could you imagine doing it everytime since you know that the computer won"t mess it up?
Actually Skillchains are rarely done with 3 people..it only works at lower levels, at higher levels two people usually do a skillchain, that and i never really had any computer problems. If you had lag thats your video card's fault, i can still hit just about every skillchain MB there can be as long as i am not casting something else(like a Cure in a bad situation).
That and skillchains arent that hard to do once you know how to. TP Report, you and your partner(which established which SC to do beforehand and is easy to do) have enough TP? Start Weapon Skill, then wait 3 seconds and go again. MB is only to time your cast time. Its not that hard. If its that hard then it wouldnt be worth it to do. However usually at higher levels a SC and MB can take off 50-95% of a monster's life. Excluding lvl 75 merit parties.
Again if its an offline single player game, you would control every character and it wouldnt be the battle system it is now. The reason why they use this one is because its an MMO, not a single player one. Have you seen any other game besides FFXII(and FFXII pauses everything when you choose commands) use the same system? No, and theres a reason.Quote:
Hell you can just be the mage and go acordingly to whatever burst it should be. That would make it boring and solo in the game is exactly what it will be like (it is a solo game) The thing is you will be solo because those are just computer players and they will do it all perfectly.
WoW to me has very little party dynamics according to my friend. Everyone does what they want, and holding hate although you can, is usually more of a hassle. Alot of people told me its a detriment to party in WoW. Which sort of destroys the point of MMOs IMO because you play with many people...that and it seems too easy to play for an extended ammount of time unless you like PvP and Instances. I cant say for EQII or L2 besides that i heard many accounts of L2 being a war zone and chaos.Quote:
I own WoW and eq2 and even linage 2 also and yes thier battle systems are a bit better but nothing when compared to ff1-10. FF1-10 has a way more enjoyable battle system than 11 thats for sure, Square knows this but had no choice but to adapt the best they could for online play.
Cant please everyone. Some people want a differnet system, a different innovative one, and some want the same old thing. Eventually you can only please those that are the majority and push on new concepts as much as you can. So while it might not cater to you or even me, if it caters to enough people, its a winner.Quote:
The only thing I think that would make this game good is if you could play it with friends via mission servers or give us back an offline battle system. I wait 2 years or so to play ff games for the joys of thier battle system and the story now they are taking half the game from me, I am hoping I am wrong I might be but I have a feeling this is gonna stink gameplay wise.
And Fans does not mean only you. Just becuase you are not content with what SE is comming out doesnt mean that everyone else isnt. I am fine with what they are comming out, and even if FFXII sucks, that does not mean FFXIII will. The only way that it will convince me that they suck is a consecutive releases of their games are not up to par and not just to my standards too, to alot of people's. Suck is so subjective as well..=/
Again everyone has different opinions, please dont just tout off what yours is as fact --;
Yasumi Matsuno
Hitoshi Sakimoto
Akihiko Yoshida
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Horrible? Hahaha!
Really talented developers, lots of money, loads of development time; GREAT GAME
Really great animaters, loads of money, long devolopment time = ff spirits within.
Any mb in fff11 is 3 at the least 2 people to do sc and one person to mb, and yes it is easy but not all the time you get them off.
My name is bilaal on kajuta server 70sam/rng (just got nerfed :cry: )
So I know that game very well look me up if your from my server :)
I really hope they do good with this game since it is my fav series but I do have doubts is what I am saying. I am suprised no one shares these doubts at all, then again I am talking to a FF board that is very biased when it comes to square enix.
Biased?
No thanks.
And the Spirits Within is a movie. Nice point.
I've read about the game and everything seems really great so far. The little snippets of storyline intrigue me and with Matsunos portfolio I'm sure it won't disappoint. I love the character designs I've seen, the music I've heard, and the graphics are gorgeus.
And this isn't Final Fantasy XI; we're at XII now.
They are not going to take XIs battle system and just throw it in XII. They are taking what they really like about online-like battle systems and the parts they love of classic offline FFs. Then they will mix it all up and we'll have a great, yummie meal.
I am surprised how so many people have "doubts" about the game and yabber about
"ZOMG CHANGE LOLBOBS! VAANS A GIRL! XII SUCKS!"
You say Star Oceans battle system sucks which it so does not, then you babble about XIs frickin' skill chains suckin, and they don't, and nothing of that has anything to do with Final Fantasy XII.
And the stuff about how the "feel" of FF is gone... Yuck. Play the old games you love so dearly then. And the "but FF is like this, they're treating my poor doggy like a lab rat". YUCK. Don't dictate what the hell FF is, anyone can make their rabid, emotional connections to the games and get all sad, but that's silly. I love some of the Final Fantasy games. Ok? Am I sad now? The Moogles don't look the same. Gosh. They have a black hottie with bunny ears. Gosh no, that's horrid.
Can someone explain to me why the battle system must suck? It's kinda hard to know with the game not being out yet and all.
I don't "know" if the game will be really great. But everything I've seen points that way, and I, sorry, TRUST the developers a bit. They've given me nice candy several times before. So now I trust/hope (all at the same time ;)) that they'll give me another nice candy.
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Oh yeah the ranged atk nerf sucked, lol it was a little more harsh than it should have been IMO but in the end, we adapt and make the best of it. Least i can throw Darts ok in point blank xD.Quote:
Originally Posted by soapy_jack23
I am on midgard so i cant. However most BLMs and RDMs i know get them off well enough. If they dont, and if its not in a bad situation, they suck D: RDMs i can understand not hitting it, but if you get a BLM, for the most part they are supposed to be looking for the skillchain, and then burst and conserve MP for that burst as well. Push for chain 5 & 6.
The reason why i dont share any doubts at the moment is, i never played it, and it looked similar to XI's fighting system with alot of tweaks(good ones for offline play). So i see nothing wrong about it yet. Unless it really shows me that it has some glaring flaws there is no reason to doubt anything. Why only FF and not other RPGs..?
Yeah again if you want old FF style play the old ones. Games along with time evolve into something different. Sometimes good sometimes bad, just learn from it, unless we want a static standstill in the gaming market. Cant please them all, but experimenting and even if it fails, is a step torward a better next game(usually)
wow...mega super ultra offtopic. jeebus. i'm half wondering why the topic title hasn't been mod-changed to "Arguing about FF XI's Battle system" and moved to that forum...
Anyway, i'm looking forward to it. as much as I disliked the feel of X-2, i loved the DIRECTION they were taking with the battle systems. they were moving so well into faster paced, more active battles through 9, and then with ten they slowed it up a TON, but added strategy times a million. if they can just mesh those two together, both the thought AND the speed we damn well may have the perfect battle system (to me anyway)
So... Here's hoping...
First off, I will adress the Feel some people have talked about. I do believe the games up through nine had a definant feel about them that the others are lacking, but that is not necissarily a bad thing. Ten just offered a different feel then the others, but it was still an alright game. I havn't played it much, but ff11 is fun, and the feel of that game is completely Different.
As for changing the battle system to how they are is my problem. For the most part I don't usually enjoy such battle systems. I liked kingdom hearts however. It is my fear that the gameplay in FF12 Sounds like it my be a little to close the Crystal Chronicles, that game is definatly the worst i have ever bought.
However, I am think square will probably try something diffrent from Chronicles, but i won't know until it gets here. I actually do prefer to be in complete control of my party, though i am still willing to give their new system a try.
One thing i am looking foward to is the addition of the Rabit race from FFTA, and am hoping that some other Races from the Tactics advance game will be included as playable Characters like Banga. I am still hoping to be able to play a moogle in ff12, but im not getting my hopes up.