America - Bastion of Evil???

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

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Originally Posted by Cloud No.9

i refuse to buy american goods however, fruit, macdonalds, coke, rice, sugar etc. because as a country i refuse to support them. the country and it's system and politics as a whole i have the problem with. corrupt, materialistic, greedy society.

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No, no, and no. Prosperity =/= greed. Corruption exists in all nations and systems. Materialism is neither good nor bad, it simply is. If you can get something from ownership of items, good for you. If you like other things, good for you. Nobody has the right to say "You're shallow because you don't share my ideas on spirituality/the value of things.". Oh, and Americans are generally not greedy at all. Not most of the ones I've met at least. Again, prosperity =/= greed.

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Well, this is the one flaw of America, if you can call it that. Not that America has a lot of stuff, but that Americans in general judge their whole "worth" as individuals by the sheer amount of stuff they have.

It isn't a fatal flaw, just something that you'll notice, or at least I do about Americans. And to me it's only a problem when it crowds out other good things that we have going for us.

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they consist of a higher percentage of people i don't like than most ther countries because of their views etc. but i don't associate scum with american.

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Yes, there's nothing shallow and jejune about disliking people as indivuduals because of views they hold, rather than because of who they are.

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Well, it depends on the degree of the anger/hatred and the actual offensive opinion. Taking for example the French thing. It's way out of proportion to what has actually happened. France merely isn't joining in on Iraq. They aren't funding the insurgency. No French public official has said that he wants Americans to die. Yet some Americans hold the French people in utter contempt. They'll have fliers stating that the French are wimps who never won a war. there's an official Boycott France thing going on too. It would be reasonable if france was actively aiding the insurgents (they aren't) or something equally hanous. But they simply disagree.

On the whole, Americans seem to be much more down to earth people, a bit more practical. We're generally good. We have flaws as any other country would. I think we're a bit nieve to the ways of government. I think the system is pretty currupt, but most people trust the government to always be on the good side.

Years ago, I REALLY hated the people from united states.Unfortunately, the people tends to hate all the country and not only its president.

Now I have finally open my eyes and see that instead of hate them , i should pity them ,why? well the world has a horrible concept about them.

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Originally Posted by DarknessFromAbove

It's not ALL Americans who are evil, just some. most Americans ARE ignorent, and selfesentered. Notice I said MOST and not ALL. I mean we're not all a bunch of zombie clones of Bush.

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Darkness it's right, but the good people ALWAYS pay for what the bad people do. So americans if the whole world hates you, just try to understand them :screwy: . The world is full of stereotypes.

OK, no-one can change that the world is full of stereotypes. If the world hates me and my country, then i could care less. It wont be my problem if we leave each other alone. Its people like bush who mess things up for us.

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Originally Posted by Gnostic Yevon

Well, this is the one flaw of America, if you can call it that. Not that America has a lot of stuff, but that Americans in general judge their whole "worth" as individuals by the sheer amount of stuff they have.

It isn't a fatal flaw, just something that you'll notice, or at least I do about Americans. And to me it's only a problem when it crowds out other good things that we have going for us.

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Yeah, I can appreciate your point there. Then again, I find it to be a problem when -anything- becomes too extreme in a person's life, from material concerns to religion to videogames.

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Well, it depends on the degree of the anger/hatred and the actual offensive opinion. Taking for example the French thing. It's way out of proportion to what has actually happened. France merely isn't joining in on Iraq. They aren't funding the insurgency. No French public official has said that he wants Americans to die. Yet some Americans hold the French people in utter contempt. They'll have fliers stating that the French are wimps who never won a war. there's an official Boycott France thing going on too. It would be reasonable if france was actively aiding the insurgents (they aren't) or something equally hanous. But they simply disagree.

On the whole, Americans seem to be much more down to earth people, a bit more practical. We're generally good. We have flaws as any other country would. I think we're a bit nieve to the ways of government. I think the system is pretty currupt, but most people trust the government to always be on the good side.

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I am/was not aware of official boycotts and the like, but that is taking it a bit far. I know here in Britain we have plenty of fun laughing at the French, but I don't know how much is jovial ribbing and how much is serious dislike or hatred.

Though I can understand why an American who supported the War in Iraq as part of the War on Terror - misguided or improperly connected or otherwise - would have disdain and dislike for another western nation who did not support the action. Not that it makes it right, but I still think it's a possible explanation.

I believe that the government has been misled out of its original intent. And is slowly dividing up the world so they do have better control over it. I just dont like how they are doing things to other countries...its none of their buisness outside of trade and negoiations. While i doubt entirely America is like that and there are good people it seems what the government is doing is pushing down that route and unless it changes alot i dont see it being anymore different. That and US is getting populated these days. I like some natural habitat to look at too sometimes =/

I believe the US still has hope..somewhere..hope cannot be all lost that it can go back to liberty and having good freedom with kindness to other countries (by not interfering with their affairs), but so far i dont see it yet.

What i dont like the most is that those that do want the good things in this country, but the heads of the government are doing the exact opposite. Really not cool ><

Btw i do not think America is a nice and kind country by large..i actually think its a very aggressive country past WWII.

People = Evil. Wherever you find humanity, you'll find corruption, deceit, and pure evil. There's a whole lot of Americans, and more and more are coming.

I think Bush strategic plans is what brought his country down and there for made America the evil ones
The people seem nice, But UK is more rude ..

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Originally Posted by Cloud No.9

We are actually damn peacful people." which explains the high crime and murder rates and this little habit of fighting wars. and that's why the rest of us might be a little intimidated by n aggressive country which shows no pattern to what countries it will invade next. at least in the 40's we knew which ones were next on the list.

america will just not admit the fact that yes it may be the world's only remaining super power but this does not make it god almighty. it is not above the law and does not own this world and hopefully one day this will be shown to it.

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Yes americans are completeley evils since a very small percentage of our populatin is crime oriented, and murders. Great evidence right again. Really, your evidence never ceases to amaze me. :rolleyes2 So accuarate and yet so .. wrong.

And no our constitution was written to leave business alone. "Laze Fair" (prolly misspelled) is a french phrase that meant let buisness be. The constitution has been preversed so far over the years, that buisness now can benifit from the goverenment. But our Highly intelegent anti american populace may tell you this is bad and no one makes mistakes. :rolleyes2

Big deal - what IF our government is in a moral lull atm? Its great to know that people will quickly bite the hand that helped them so quickly. And we are the mixed up ones.. :rolleyes2

It seems at least the ambasators and most polititions are not so misguided to hate the US. We are doing our best to help the world. Sure, our methods may not be 100% agreeable - but we ARE DOING SOMTHING.

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Sure, america can get arrogent - but i think europe and asia houses some of the most arogent nations in the world. I think Australia and Canada are a few of the most laid back of us all. And look - the still take our side when it comes down to it.

But its ok - we are evil - and so is the rest of the world. :confused:

People are not all evil either - so lets not even go there.

America has had to change a lot in forein affairs since WWII. So saying we were nicer when we dint have to deal with other countries is just stupid. The world got smaller with the innovation of the aircraft. And after a cheapshot by japan, it became apparent that national defence needed to be beefed up. We know that the world will never all like us. But the best thing we can do is destroy those who are our enemies, before they even have a chance. ITs a defensive offence - and we need it. I would say that if America had not flexed its mussle things would be a lot worse for us ( and prolly the world ) today.
Bipper

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Originally Posted by lionx

That and US is getting populated these days. I like some natural habitat to look at too sometimes =/

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Don't be silly. America is one of the least densely populated countries in the West. Britain has 60,000,000+ people living in an area the size of Ohio. And we still have plenty of space for farming and national parks and the like.

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Originally Posted by lordblazer

The thing about the USA is that its constitution was written to benefit Business.

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You say that as if it was a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Maxx Power

People = Evil. Wherever you find humanity, you'll find corruption, deceit, and pure evil. There's a whole lot of Americans, and more and more are coming.

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China must be the bastion of evil, then.

Once again - Hachifusa, you amaze me :) Able to wrap up the whole premise of a thread and throw the crap where it belongs :) - china

Bipper

"The thing about the USA is that its constitution was written to benefit Business.
You say that as if it was a bad thing."

shouldn't it be written to benefit the people?

and it is.

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Originally Posted by Tama2

and it is.

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Be benefitting business, it benefits the people.

Civil liberties are also in place. "Freedom of speech" is reserved for the individual as well as the businesses.

business is not the people. what the hell is it with people and laissez faire? it was a failure and will always be a failure.