human experiments?

no doubt it would hurt *wince*.. but heck I like life.

Either way you would need medical attention right away.. if cut off you could easily bleed to death(if I recall).. and with smashing them.. well who knows.. but you will wan't some pain relievers among other things... hopeful they would put you to sleep first so it would be less painful.

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Originally Posted by IBCrayZ

morality is in the eye of the beholder.

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Then would you say that the Holocaust was not evil simply because the Nazis saw it as good? That's the problem with moral relativism.

Besides, we're not talking about morals here. We're talking about ethics. There's a huge difference.

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morality is in the eye of the beholder. I think I may be the only one in this forum who thinks the experimentation should be done. I was the only one who said it in the stem cell thread.

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And in my eye, you're immoral. And there's no way that I'm just gonna sit back and let an immoral person argue thier points with little to no resistance. Just because morality may be subjective, doesn't give you an excuse to be immoral.

What, may I ask, makes experimenting on people any less moral then experimenting on animals? hmm.. last I heard animals didn't give their consent.. heck most of them that I know don't even commit an aggressive act to land them there. They didn't do anything wrong and are still *forced* into the experiments.

My opinion is if we can experiment on animals(without thier consent) then we can experiment on people. If we can't experiment on people(without thier consent) then we can't experiment on animals(without thier consent).

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morality is in the eye of the beholder. I think I may be the only one in this forum who thinks the experimentation should be done. I was the only one who said it in the stem cell thread.

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And in my eye, you're immoral. And there's no way that I'm just gonna sit back and let an immoral person argue thier points with little to no resistance. Just because morality may be subjective, doesn't give you an excuse to be immoral.

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By saying that you just took away my right to be moral. And because morality is subjective, it does give me a right to be immoral in your eyes. But I got really thinking about this subject earlier, and I may have to change my stance due to my morality. There are people on death row/serving life sentaces who do not deserve them. not to say that they did or did not commit the crime, but the reasoning behind it is what I question. I believe that there are certain circumstances under which murder or other crimes should be allowed, but is not in common day. And I am also a believer in the saying, "all are equal" therefore everyone on death row/serving life sentances would have to be experimented upon. Ok, im stepping of my soapbox for a bit.

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Then would you say that the Holocaust was not evil simply because the Nazis saw it as good? That's the problem with moral relativism.

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Yes.

well it's not evil in the eyes of the beholder, which leads us back to morality being in the eyes of the beholder. We don't neccecarily have to think something is good because someone else does.

Peace out and :rock:
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Originally Posted by DocFrance

The utilitarian argument that "the good of the many outweighs the good of the few or the one" has one glaring flaw - it assumes that all people are not unique, and that one life can easily be traded for another.

The only way human experimentation can be moral is if the people who are being experimented on volunteer. Many people agree to "donate their body to science" upon death, and many more take part in scientific experiements - experiments that won't have a detrimental effect on themselves, of course.

Out of curiosity, how do those of you who think human experimenting is bad think about stem cell research?

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Personally, I have absolutely no problem with it whatsoever. I don't really see why anyone does.

I hate death and toture in any form. Whether its an embryo or an adult - its not right. Save for self defence - and I mean physically immediate danger... not defending yourself against a desise -- ugh what a conundrum we have here

Bipper