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Thats most education.lol........ Just what your saying is too unreal.ITs not unreal in a sense htat its idealistic. Its unreal in a sense that its kinda idiotic...I mean I'm sorry that if oyu ask a 8 year old kid in the UK what the emergency number is and they say 911. I'm sorry that pisses you off that USA is the most powerful country in the world and was formed through bloodshed. I'm sorry that the USA can now defeat the UK. I'm sorry. Mainly because everytime we mention something of the USA (this apply to a lot of british users) that you have to be so hostile and talk to us like we are frekaing ants. At times you guys are jsut too over critisizing. I mean sure the UK has one of the finest police forces int eh world. The UK isn't percvect also. YOu'll say you know it. I'm sorry that most UK memebrs when they make a football thread they put (no americans allowed.). I mean WTF?!?!? we can a lot of crpa form their also. We aren't idiots. We know that more than 75% of the world calls soccer...football. The nic picking is too annoying. I mean you sound like an atheist who thinks all christains are bastards because he or she doesn't know how to deal with people and doesn't understand that being a bastard is universal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
I'm done. I don;t know what will happen to me but whatever.
Bad reasons, that are half of the time incorrect or outdated (down with wall street~)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
Please dont just think that what you believe are the right things and what Cloud believes is absolute bs all the time..-.- its getting old..please.
Although what Cloud said about Vietnam is a bit exxagerrated, it is true to an extent. War ravages a country, and the United States has not had a war on their home soil for a long time to see the effects of it.
Half of what cloud says I agree with. Its when she goes out and starts bashing I start to have some disagreements with her.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionx
Uh, lionx. I have an active, open mind. I'm patient. I'm willing to hear out argumentations. I am not dogmatic or set in my ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionx
But Christ, do you read half of Cloud's posts!?
I do read it, and although i do not agree completely with what he says i am pretty sick of you seemingly trying to demean him becuase of his views..or so i feel, but i like to keep that out of the thread. We might not always agree but he is entitled to his views as well and i can see why he gets them and they arent completely as insane as you might think of him to be. But i like to keep it out from derailing the thread.
My views are that America wins at some, but definetly not for the win.
It's not just me. Most of the rational people on the site tends to demean him for playing with history, altering the truth, and parading America aroudn as if we're an evil, fascist empire.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionx
And no, he really is insane. Ask him. After all, he is a liberal.
what is incorrect about american farm subsidies? trade tarriffs on africa? about the war on iraw being 1. illegal 2. being based on some of the stupidest evidence 3. being a total waste of time and human life compared to other things that could have been done with those recources. what is incorrect about america ripping up the un and kyoto? what is incorrect about the failure of the start agreements, chemical weapons agreements, nuclear non proliferation. what is incorrect about torturing foreign nationals? what is incorrect about it's companies building over and farming the amazon? what is incorrect about it's clothing companies using chinese slave labour?
Granted. Wrong. A product of people trying to limit economic freedoms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
See: above.Quote:
trade tarriffs on africa?
Agreed on everything except for the war being illegal - we do not need permission from the rest of the world in order to wage our own wars.Quote:
about the war on iraw being 1. illegal 2. being based on some of the stupidest evidence 3. being a total waste of time and human life compared to other things that could have been done with those recources.
The United Nations is just about the worst idea ever, and it's a slap in the face to human rights, what with Red China (and Soviet Russia) as one of the pinnacle leaders.Quote:
what is incorrect about america ripping up the un and kyoto?
Deterrance, but this isn't exactly an American fault, because I don't see the rest of the civilized war not owning any nukes.Quote:
what is incorrect about the failure of the start agreements, chemical weapons agreements, nuclear non proliferation.
If it occurs, it is a fluke. I disagree with it, but we don't have "torture camps", though some stupid regulations that basically condone it by using euphisms. Half-granted.Quote:
what is incorrect about torturing foreign nationals?
Not. American. Stop blaming America for something that all of western civilization does.Quote:
what is incorrect about it's companies building over and farming the amazon?
...er, well, that one, yeah, basically incorrect. Slavery is outlawed.Quote:
what is incorrect about it's clothing companies using chinese slave labour?
you need laws on warfare. that's why we hung the nazis and that's why a few americans are lucky they aren't gonna go the same way.
"Deterrance, but this isn't exactly an American fault, because I don't see the rest of the civilized war not owning any nukes." the start agreements only refer to america and russia.
it's not a fluke. it's granted by the us government. they moved the goalposts on what counts as torture to allow it. and in camp x-ray as well they have a nasty habit of holding children, a cripple and a blind guy (but granted he was blinded while in custody there which makes it better somehow).
"Not. American. Stop blaming America for something that all of western civilization does."
i thought macdonalds was american.
chinese sweatshops are as close to slavery as you can find.
Sure. Where did we commit an illegal act in invading Iraq? We had bad reasonings, and I disagree with the war, but it's also hard to say that the Iraqi people were happy and loving their numerous freedoms under their wonderful leader, Hussein.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
...you're not getting it. Obviously, I'm prettymuch against torture, but you're also being naive if you think that your country hasn't tortured anyone ever.Quote:
it's not a fluke. it's granted by the us government. they moved the goalposts on what counts as torture to allow it. and in camp x-ray as well they have a nasty habit of holding children, a cripple and a blind guy (but granted he was blinded while in custody there which makes it better somehow).
No, actually. They are McDonald's. America, unlike most of the world, doesn't lay claim on their citizen's wealth and values. Blame McDonalds, not the American government.Quote:
i thought macdonalds was american.
Hrm. Bad working conditions, I agree. But we're not holding the Chinese people who want to work for themselves (again, their selves) for a change at gunpoint. Kick them out. It's sad that China is in that low of a state that they are willing to work for so little, but how is that America's fault?Quote:
chinese sweatshops are as close to slavery as you can find.
it's illegal because it was not passed by the union or in retialiation for an attack or imminent attack on america or one of it's allies, and was not to end a genocide.
i know my country has tortured people. it made a habit of it in ireland.
macdonald's while not being america itself is part of it's society and the very fact that the american government allows the company to run in the fashion that it does says alot about the administration.
same with chinese sweatshops, nike, adiddas and reebok use them. and a whole load of other companies.
America's policy, while not lassiez-faire, is about the closest in the world (other than maybe Hong Kong) and it claims that the government can't step in and demand McDonalds to stop any action unless it expressly is doing something wrong.
The rainforests are outside of America's jurisdiction. For once, it's not policing the world, but again, people are complaining about it. Would you rather we assume that we own the rainforests and put up protections around it, or that we stand back?
Does McDonalds own the land it is using?
China is in a low state comming out of the WWII and facing pressure from Japan, Taiwan(which i believe should stay with China), and the US, they need to do these things. When you are down in the rut, people working in US wasnt anything that different during those times either.
Throughout all of McDonald's history there were no unions ever made. Because they would easily close down the McDonalds that would want a union, saying it didnt generate enough profit, and open one right down the corner and blacklisting those who were forming the union. Eric Schossler and his book "Fast Food Nation" depicts this very well, and is a good analogy to sweatshops. McDonalds is the most Anti-Union of any coporation. Granted Unions are not entirely fair either.
As well as US is still having that, just in other countries, how many Made in *insert country here* stuff do we have these days? Why are they doing it? Its cheap and it helps competes with other capitalists. US would actually want those nations to provide cheap stuff, imagine how expensive things would be if everything was made in USA.
Again when you are in economical trouble, and facing many enemies that want to see you dead, you WILL have these things. People dont actually know whats going on and only see what they see in the news, when it only shows one side only, the US side.
Rainforests: Not ours, let those who are in that country deal with it. They need to develop their own government and not breastfeed.