Who is reaaaly X?(And some other revelations)

1-How do you know?Can you prove this?
2- start to make on this thread and I hope he continues

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

1-How do you know?Can you prove this?
2- start to make on this thread and I hope he continues

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oh my god lol yes, it's already been proven that ur theories are false and the information you give isn't "evidence." how are you so blind to this?

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Originally Posted by Destai

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I didn´t said absolute proof.I said evidence.

You should argue more MJN Seifer.
Don´t be afraid of it.
And where did the shumis mention Rinoa?

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You also ignore evidence against your theorys. Constantly.

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Says who?
You are one of the persons who don´t really argue nothing and just keep saying subjective judgements.

In fact many of the game favour my theories.They don´t prove but favour.
Most of it were factual context and graphical details.
If you keep saying subjective things without arguing then I take GoL words and say shut up.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Says who?
You are one of the persons who don´t really argue nothing and just keep saying subjective judgements.

In fact many of the game favour my theories.They don´t prove but favour.
Most of it were factual context and graphical details.
If you keep saying subjective things without arguing then I take GoL words and say shut up.

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you OBVIOUSLY do NOT listen to what other people have to say! i've already proved some of your theories wrong with logic and evidence from the game, you can even go back and check through them, several people have proved them wrong.

G SpOtZ and everyone else that this applies to and you know who you are: No one is twisting your arm to come in to these threads so if you do come in, do not do so just to argue and complain.

GSpotz,I remember you arguing with me twice.
Both of them was about the "time traveling on space" thing.
But other than that...

im sooooo confuzzled -_-

I think you guys who, every time FE posts, reply telling him to shut up and
stop coming up with theories are fools.

Who cares if he wants to post his amazingly imaginitive ideas here? If you
don't like them, don't read them. If you think they're wrong, argue them
either from an opposing viewpoint with reference to the game--as opposed
to FE's character being used as the only basis of argument--or as an
iminent criticism.

FE, I always love your ideas. I think many of them are not true, by
which I mean that the makers of the game did not necessarily intend
them, but I love that you can look at something and see it in a
completely differentway than anyone else. Not only this, but you can
connect seemingly seperate--even opposing--circumstances and ideas
to come up with extremely interesting theories.

Keep it up man, seriously. I LOVE to overanalyze certain things such as
music or movies, and I'd probably do it with FFs if I knew the stories
more. Usually though I have trouble playing the game more than once.

.opt

edit, oh. Looks like Leeza sort of beat me to it. But um....to reiterate
her point... ;p

I like your words, Optium. :)

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Originally Posted by MJN SEIFER

Is there a difference?

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Yes. Sorcerer=male, sorceress=female.
I for one always thought Hyne was female. Must replay to be sure...

And to FE:
You have some interesting ideas for sure, but sometimes you do go a bit overboard.
A vivid imagination like yours is a good thing to have, but you need some more concrete evidence to convince others :)

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

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Shumi-"We became what is on our hearts"

The shumi is talking about how they evolve.

This was how the fake president appears.
Hyne possessed a Shumi which turn to gerogero.
Then gerogero transformed into the fake president.

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You are talking like as though Shumi are shapeshifters which can become anything.

The line clearly spoke they become bad or good things depending whether they hearts are defilled or pure. Just like how Elder become Elder and NORG being an outcast.

It is not like Shumi think he is Laguna then he evolve into Laguna. This is absurd.

Did anywhere in the game tell you one of the form they evolve is human?

And I have some explainations of my own why Shumi can't become humans.

First, If Shumi become human, then the human he became will go interact with other humans and everyone will know about these Demi-humans. But no one or isn't anywhere in the game mention about Demi-humans nor do the Shumi themselves mentioned.

Second, If they can became humans, why are they isolating themselves from the other humans since humans are basically what they will become.

Third,

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Shumis change as they grow, depending on their environment. They are peaceful, and only allow merchants into their home

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Why do they allow only merchants and not tourists and other visitors, since who knows one of the humans is what they evolved to and come back for a visit.

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Originally Posted by MJN Seifer

And maybe he can pick one up for you, Gilgamaesh of Ledgends, Tan, and any other of you who devote there forum time to moaning a t JUST ONE PERSON! That there's nothing more pathetic then that!

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I post arguements and usually backed with evidence and logic when I go "moaning" at this particular person's theories instead of the person you are talking about. It might not seem like it to you but those are the facts and logics I gathered from the game and myself. I have no intentions of giving him names or what not but his main problems is his theory.

And most of the people do not "moan" at him until he disagreed and ignore all opinions/arguements post by others with no valid evidence nor explaination and just because he think it fits well with his so called graphical details that is so minor that he cares so much about and but doesn't know stuffs that isn't minor.

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Originally Posted by MJN Seifer

That's because it's his right there are no laws against theroyising, he may be wrong, he may be right (A lot of what he put made sense to me) It's only "Bul" (Note to mods doesn't count as me saying it) becuaes you don't like it. So there is a way you can avoid it....DON'T READ IT! It's much easier than bitching about it.

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Since he posted here, we have the right to point out the flaws and loopholes in his theories to show how "wrong" it will be instead of it ever being near to "right".

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Originally Posted by MJN Seifer

If people didn't theorise we'd still belive that the world is flat.

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If people didn't theorise the world is flat in the first place, we wouldn't believe it is flat. Same goes for Future Esthar.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Also,there is a link between Shumi´s and Garden as we all know.

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NORG is an outcast from the Shumi. He basically lost the basic integrity of a Shumi. And all NORG do is provide fundings for the Garden then pocket the profits.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

The ancient members know that I think that Rinoa is the True Ellone.

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I thnk I am the only "ancient members" that know this and post here and no, that picture of yours still can't determine Rinoa is Ellone since you are the only person in the world that see Rinoa's spilting images as Ellone's

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

General Caraway,possessed by Hyne,decided to close Rinoa inside house.
There is a mechanism on the house that seals Elle´s powers.That´s why.
Laguna,Kyros and Ward know this and possessed Shumi´s to save Ellone.
They also make sure that she meets with Squall.

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I think I already explained in an ancient thread that Ellone isn't Rinoa based on your deductions of Ellone being adopted and send to orphanage then back to General Caraway who changed her name.

So why didn't Rinoa tell her most loved one Squall how her father ill-treated her since she tell Squall everything.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

No,I post my theory for information purposes only.

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No, you post your theory for mis-information purposes which is as good as posts inflammatory messages intended to cause a disruption.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

You are being unfair here.There are people who agrees with me but they usually don´t argue much.
Can´t I ask them to argue?

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Are they your followers or something? Do you intend to form some soft of club with you as their leader worshipping you and heed to your call?

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

-How do you know?Can you prove this?

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Well:

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

The evidence I had is not evidence at all.

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G-SpotZ also doesn't need evidence nor proof to say it too then.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

In fact many of the game favour my theories.They don´t prove but favour.
Most of it were factual context and graphical details.

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The game favour more of my X= Yu Yevon and FF X is related to FF VIII more than yours.

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You are talking like as though Shumi are shapeshifters which can become anything.

The line clearly spoke they become bad or good things depending whether they hearts are defilled or pure. Just like how Elder become Elder and NORG being an outcast.

It is not like Shumi think he is Laguna then he evolve into Laguna. This is absurd.

Did anywhere in the game tell you one of the form they evolve is human?

And I have some explainations of my own why Shumi can't become humans.

First, If Shumi become human, then the human he became will go interact with other humans and everyone will know about these Demi-humans. But no one or isn't anywhere in the game mention about Demi-humans nor do the Shumi themselves mentioned.

Second, If they can became humans, why are they isolating themselves from the other humans since humans are basically what they will become.

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Shumis change as they grow, depending on their environment. They are peaceful, and only allow merchants into their home


Why do they allow only merchants and not tourists and other visitors, since who knows one of the humans is what they evolved to and come back for a visit.

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Ah,ah,ah,ah,ah,ah,ah.
You didn´t understood nothing of what I said did you ?

I said they ere POSSESSED.
POSSESSED.

So your arguments had nothing to do with what I said.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Ah,ah,ah,ah,ah,ah,ah.
You didn´t understood nothing of what I said did you ?

I said they ere POSSESSED.
POSSESSED.

So your arguments had nothing to do with what I said.

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Well, you said all of them are Shumis here:

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Master Martine:
A Shumi possessed by Master Laguna Loire.
Objective-To save the world.

Fat instructors at Galbadia Garden:
A Shumi possessed by Ward Zabac.
Objective-To help save the world.

Headmaster Cid
A Shumi possessed by Doc Odine.
Objective-To save the world.

Zone:
A young Shumi possessed by Laguna Loire.
Objective-To save Timber.

Watts:
A young Shumi possessed by Ward Zabac.
Objective-To help save Timber.

Train driver(Forest Owls):
A young Shumi possessed by the doctor assistant(Adel resistance member).
Objective-To help save Timber.

Sleeping guy (Forest owls)
A young Shumi possessed by the old guy who is allways late (Adel resistance member).
Objective-To help save Timber.

Guy at the right of the train driver(Forest owls)
A young Shumi possessed by Kyros Seagil.
Objective-To help save Timber.

Edea/Ultimecia/Adel/Rinoa
Propagator possessed by Hyne
Objective-To rule over Sam Hill.

NORG
Shumi possessed by Hyne
However he had yet to evolve
Objective-To rule over Sam Hill.

Deling/Caraway
Shumi possessed by Hyne
Already evolved
Objective-To rule over Sam Hill.

Garden faculty(Balamb).
Shumi possessed by Hyne.
Had not evolved yet.
Objective-To rule over Sam Hill.

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So being possessed enable them to change shape to human????
Then what you post deny what you stated:

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

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Shumi-"We became what is on our hearts"

The shumi is talking about how they evolve.

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Did Rinoa or Edea turned into Squall or Cid when they got possessed by Ultimecia?

Where do you get the idea of being possessed enable one to change shape and form?

Heart usually means soul,not mind.
But it can be an exception here.
The phrase means that shumis shift to the form of the ones possessing them(the ones on their mind).
If a shumi is not possessed they can become noble creature(moombas,etc...) if they have a good heart and a dark creature if they had a bad heart.