Vividarium Intervigilium Viator

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10-15-2005, 07:41 PM
Christmas

He symbolize might and power itself. It is how some people use a sword(example) to symbolize something and using it to relate a message.
10-15-2005, 07:43 PM
G SpOtZ

well, in my opinion, griever had a lot to do with the story... he was represented by squalls things, like his sword and his ring and his necklace, but most importanty, the ring.
the ring first belonged to squall, and he liked the ring a lot... he let zell borrow it so he could give it to rinoa, temporarily.
i'm not sure if this is accurate... but when rinoa freed adel and was floating in space, and she was losing oxygen... you could see a chain necklace with a ring as the "pendant"... was that ring squalls griever ring?
if it was, it shows that griever was part of bringing squall and rinoa's love together, i guess. i don't think they showed the ring floating up in front of rinoa's face for no reason... i think she looked at the ring, and it gave her hope to live, so she fought for her life, knowing that squall would come...

conclusion= perhaps griever is actually the messenger of love for squall and rinoa??

and also... squall=lion, rinoa=angel....those are their themes, right? well look at griever... he's like a lion with wings.... hmmmm.. lion+angel?

haha now i'm just ranting. sorry about that.
10-15-2005, 07:48 PM
Christmas

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Originally Posted by G SpOtZ

well, in my opinion, griever had a lot to do with the story... he was represented by squalls things, like his sword and his ring and his necklace, but most importanty, the ring.
the ring first belonged to squall, and he liked the ring a lot... he let zell borrow it so he could give it to rinoa, temporarily.
i'm not sure if this is accurate... but when rinoa freed adel and was floating in space, and she was losing oxygen... you could see a chain necklace with a ring as the "pendant"... was that ring squalls griever ring?
if it was, it shows that griever was part of bringing squall and rinoa's love together, i guess. i don't think they showed the ring floating up in front of rinoa's face for no reason... i think she looked at the ring, and it gave her hope to live, so she fought for her life, knowing that squall would come...

conclusion= perhaps griever is actually the messenger of love for squall and rinoa??

and also... squall=lion, rinoa=angel....those are their themes, right? well look at griever... he's like a lion with wings.... hmmmm.. lion+angel?

haha now i'm just ranting. sorry about that.

This is interesting.

Now will someone add Griever to the list instead of it being as "someone else"? :)
10-15-2005, 07:52 PM
GunbladeMaster

cool theory G-Spotz
10-15-2005, 07:53 PM
G SpOtZ

ty ^_^
10-15-2005, 10:48 PM
Kamrusepas

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Originally Posted by GunbladeMaster

simple answer:
LATIN
IS
COOL
:D

I've known that for years, that's why I've been trying to study it :D

Anyways, I've been working on a theory on the messenger and all that for my fic, but unfortunately I never write this stuff down, so I've forgotten most of the stuff already. It was a good theory too...
10-15-2005, 10:51 PM
GunbladeMaster

show dont tell...
10-16-2005, 12:42 AM
enigma1234

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Originally Posted by enigma1234

"Vividarium et Intervigilium et Viator"

Yes, diablo's is also a great idea but what about Pupu? he/she/it traveled all over the world and you follow all he's/her/it's path, he travels alot and at the end of his/her/its journey he/she/it decides to stop(we can consider this as sleep,doze,nap) at the place where balamb garden used to be located and by the looks of it he/she/it wants to deliver us a message or tell us something but the problem is that we can't understand him/her/it...Timber Maniacs Magazine even made a story about an alien traveling all over the world and collecting stuffs(pyramid,cow,sheep,etc and the sightings)....

I think the so called "fairies" that sent squall and the group to the past(flashbacks) as laguna,kiros and ward is Pupu...hmmm I think he/she/it wants to tell squall that laguna is he's father... or was it ellone or maybe pupu who gave them the flashbacks about laguna's journey....

This is an add-on about my 1st theory on squall being the messenger do you remember the scene where squall was imprisoned in the desert prison? the scene is when the guard is tourturing and questioning Squall what's the meaning of SeeD and it's purpose and Squall says "flowers"...Garden have flowers right...

more to be unfold....

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Originally Posted by enigma1234

I'm sorry if this is off-topic but why is it that always Latin words are used on FFVIII?
like "Vividarium et Intervigilium et Viator" thats Latin right? (In the garden sleeps a messenger) also the song "Liberi Fatali" (Children of Fate) and the paintings in ultimecia's castle why does it always have to be Latin and the word "children" is somehow always pronounced there and a new Final Fantasy was born...Advent of Children...

Now about the topic in ultimecia's castle I think everything there is related to the FF group not only rinoa...the painting there named "Vividarium et Intervigilium et Viator" kinda looks like the garden in edea's orphanage and the falls like thingy painting it looks like it relates to the sea in the orphanage...the one you saw in the introduction movie...

I have a theory about the word "Vividarium et Intervigilium et Viator". I think it talks about squall...1st word "In the Garden" squall lives in the orphanage (theres a garden there) and also in the balamb garden he even went to galbadia garden and even travels thru trabia garden..."Sleeps" I think waiting for the right moment to deliver the message...and lastly "A Messenger" squall delivered to Edea the message that a Seed organization must be build in order to defeat ultimecia and to save the world...It all began in the garden and it also end in the garden..

I'm going to add more of this after I sleep in my beautiful bed of garden and deliver to you people the message tomorrow.

I'm still thinking that other people/thing might be the messenger...
10-16-2005, 12:53 AM
G SpOtZ

i wonder where future esthar is? lol. i'd expect him to be all over this kind of thread..
10-16-2005, 12:53 AM
enigma1234

Hmmm what about Ellone?, Ellone did go to the balamb garden and I think also in galbadia garden and Ellone did sent Squall and the others back to the past where Laguna,Kiros and Ward is on a journey and also Ellone watched Squall on his sleep when he was injured when training with Seifer (kinda looks like a fight to me) and also she watched Laguna when he sleeps many times and tells Raine what Laguna do when he's at sleep. It looks like Ellone wants to tell Squall the message that Laguna is Squall's father.
10-16-2005, 02:15 AM
Slade

Diablos is the most obvious. I always thought it was him. I dont think it would be Selphie because she wasnt actually a messager she was only told to deliver one message. Just like when your in school and the teacher says, 'you, go get such and such from mr whatevers classroom'. This person wasnt the class messenger, they were picked randomly. Usually because they sat closest to the door. But anyway, as i said before, it points mostly to Diablos. If that p[ainting does actually mean something, then the other paintings must also. I always thought the Judgement painting was Alexander.
10-16-2005, 03:34 AM
enigma1234

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Originally Posted by Slade

I always thought the Judgement painting was Alexander.

Yeah, Alexander's Holy Judgement attack.
10-16-2005, 04:38 AM
Christmas

Here are some of the interpretations I made long time ago in an ancient threads. Feel free to take it as a references.

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Originally Posted by Unknowns

XERAMPELINAE(Red clothes)- Ultimecia's ancestor's portrait
VENUS(Love) - Love is what make the world bleed
VIGIL(Watchmen) - The guardian monsters of the castle
INTERVIGILIUM (Sleep) - The sleep magic
JUDICIUM (Judgment) - Alexandria Holy Judgement
IGNUS (Fire) - The Fire magic in the game
VIVIDARIUM (Garden) - The Garden of SeeD
INANDANTIA (Flood) - Leviathan Tidal wave attack
VIATOR (Messenger) - Diablo's dark messenger attack
INAUDAX (Cowardice) - Biggs and Wedge
XIPHIAS (Swordfish) - Gunblade
XYSTUS (Tree-Lined Road) - Fisherman Horizons Bridge

Big Picture: In A Garden Sleeps A Messenger:

Diablos(Dark Messenger Attack) sleeps inside the magical lamp which is given in Balamb garden,

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Originally Posted by G SpOtZ

i wonder where future esthar is? lol. i'd expect him to be all over this kind of thread..

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

My computer run into problems recently.That´s why I hadn´t appeared.

It is still being fixed.I am replying from school.
10-16-2005, 05:38 AM
enigma1234

XERAMPELINAE(Red clothes)- Ultimecia
VENUS(Love) - Ultimecia's lost love http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=71111
VIGIL(Watchmen) - Ultimecia watched the SeeD grew for a long time
INTERVIGILIUM (Sleep) - We can consider this as "waiting" for Ultimecia's revenge for all SeeD's
JUDICIUM (Judgment) - Ultimecia's Hell's Judgement magic/attack
IGNUS (Fire) - Her passion to eliminate all SeeD's for vengeance
VIVIDARIUM (Garden) - Garden
INANDANTIA (Flood) - Remember the white SeeD's corpses lying near the beach in the orphanage? (flood of corpses or the blood of the dead people flooded the beach)
VIATOR (Messenger) - Ultimecia
INAUDAX (Cowardice) - People are afraid of all sorceress
XIPHIAS (Swordfish) - We can consider this as what Rinoa said to Squall "If my soul became corrupt and evil, I want your sword to pierce my heart" or maybe Squall's sword that defeated Ultimecia or this Seifer as Ultimecia's knight...knight do have swords right?
XYSTUS (Tree-Lined Road) - Ultimecia's three transformations
10-16-2005, 05:46 AM
Christmas

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XYSTUS (Tree-Lined Road) - Ultimecia's three transformations

One question....."Tree Lined Road" linked to Ultimecia's three Transformation....?

"Tree" intepret as "Three" so what about the "lined road"?

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