Emo isn't really popular....
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I didn't like VII because I found it boring. Story, battle system, pacing and everything.
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Emo isn't really popular....
*drifts away from topic*
I didn't like VII because I found it boring. Story, battle system, pacing and everything.
Trendy = Popular. I've noticed too, hating FF7 is more trendy than liking it. People just say they don't like it just to look hardcore for some reason. They want their RPGs to remain in a niche, and FF7 was mainstream. They think the only games that deserve praise are the sleeper hits and more underground community games. Niche games. *Shrug* I like FF7, not because I want to join the crowd or be trendy. I just enjoyed the game.
Exactly, because they're complete and total retards with no social skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyk
My brain just exploded.Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
No offense, but you're way off the mark. I just didn't feel moved by FFVII the way I did by other games such as FFVI (which I would NEVER call a niche game). When I go back and play it now, I feel like it's an okay game with a lame storyline tacked onto it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyk
Also, the word you want to use to describe me is "iconoclast".
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJZen
The FFVII junkies just don't get it. It's not that we don't like FFVII because a lot of people do. We just don't like FFVII. Probably because we've started out with the older, better games. True, the fanatics are annoying, like the "OMG I cried when Aeris died!" -- extremely annoying -- and they do tend to push people away from it, but there are plenty of reasons in the game not to like it.
I wanted to say that yesterday, but I didn't have the energy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Well, unlike Question Marks, my comment wasn't directed at anyone personally. And also unlike Question Marks, I don't care if anyone really doesn't like Seven. I'm just stating what I've noticed. Or what seems to be. If you're not part of that, that's cool. On the flip-side I also know some people LIKE Seven because it's trendy. Even if you like Sephiroth, he's admittedly not nearly as cool as they all make him out to be.
I don't see where would you get the idea that the only reason to dislike FFVII is it's (not deserved) fanbase, sure, it's annoying, but that sure as hell is not the reason for me (or a lot of other people) to dislike it.
Not only did FF7 suffer of a storyline that is, to be honest, incredibly boring (Multiple plot holes and uninteresting characters made it barely bearable). But it also suffered of multiple gameplay flaws, such as the fact there's very little to tell characters from each other, since the overwhelming ammounts of customization (Materia system) allow you to pretty much create character clones to the point in which stats don't matter anymore.
Plus I never really liked the FF7 cast, pretty much all of the characters are bland japanese clichés with barely anything unique to them (No, big swords aren't unique), I felt like I was playing a crappy anime while playing FF7, to be honest.
But whatever, that's just my rant.
Scenes that drag out? I can give an example for each game, and a REALLY BIG AND USELESS ONE too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griever Zero
FFVII:
Cloud: Okay boys, we got the Black Materia, but we lost that friend or spy in the process. Oh noes!
Cait Sith: I'm alive!
Cloud: Oh yay, now I won't be seeing you until you help Barret escape from prison because you suck! *shakes* Oh NOES, Sephir0th! FUshufuhsufhuhsufh *gives black materia*
Tifa: OMGZ, Cloud, r u ok?
Cloud: Damn, I did it again. Now time to waste another 3 hours of the gamer's life on a useless quest.
Also, FFVIII has quite possibly the GREATEST amount of useless scenes.
1.
*MB level or something*
Norh: Fushushushuhsurhunsuhruhsuhrushudhurhyushurhuhsurhuhsuhurhrurururururururu
As it turns out what happened so far in this game is completely wrong, and now the lengthy explanation before we fight because I want to take you to hell before I take you to...uhh. HELL!
2.
Irvine: We were all at the orphanage.
Qusitis: OMG, yeah, I remember!
Selphie: Yeah!
Zell: Stupid GFs!
Quistis: Yeah!
Selphie: Tee Hee!
Irvine: But what about...
Squall: Me too...
Quistis: Yeah!
Selphie: Rock on!
Zell: Iay!
Irvine: Whoo Hoo!
Squall: Yippee!
:p
Aeris: "This guy are sick." Enough said. FFVI does not have the worst dialog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightmare X
Didn't notice this earlier. The "Mr. Thou" scene wasn't long at all, really. And even if it was, it's not like it was as annoying and tedious as some of the scenes in VII -- which, by the way, had many drawn-out scenes, seeming to rely more on scinema than on gameplay and plot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griever Zero
I love these kinds of "quotes". :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Mordor
:D it's not a big deal.. :D
I think it's mainly because you had the "snobby intellectual who throws his opinions around as fact" thing going on. Quite common amongst those in College.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJZen
FFVI may have had a juvenile translation at some points, I wont deny that. But man when the game stepped up with the melodrama, it really brought it. I mean whats up with people in this thread saying Cyan didnt mourn? they guy was pissed at the world and wanted nothing more then anyone who ever had anything to do with the empire to die, preferably with his sword in their gut. He was initially ready to start with celes the first time he met her, and his only reason for sticking with the group was to get in as much payback as possible. After they all got their butts handed to them, cyan was so distraught that he wanted to die, and you had to work your way through his effed up nightmare in order to do it.
As for FFVII, Its not so much the dialogue, as the story and characters that sucked. I'll never understand what the hell people see in sephiroth. All I see is the other half of gamings ambiguously gay duo, What with the cross dressing, big sword fascination, and V-neck leather, and inability to leave cloud the hell alone.
But the part of FFVII that really kills me is the whole "Cloud is a loser" epiphany. Like we really needed to spend those thirty minutes learning about how big a looser he's been his whole life. Then he's like, "yah, because I understand how much I suck now, I am a god among men". :mad:
I dont beat up on FFVII because its trendy, I give it its knocks because It has more flaws then it does good points. I mean after the greatness of FFVI (epic, multi party dungeons and battles, super deep magic and battle system, every character is unique and brings something specific to battle, great villain) they gave us FFVII (incompetent villain, shallow materia system, all characters fight the same, only multi-party battle is impossible to lose and lasts all of 2 minutes). Sure FFVII isnt an awful game, its really quite... decent overall. Its just an inferior one in its franchise.
Still, as contrived as FFVII was at some points, it was miles better then the mess of a story that was VIII. At least the 32-bit era had the greatness of IX to fall back on in terms of a good final fantasy title, but VI remains the best due to its dark, brooding, and dramatic story that actually made sense all the way throughout, despite a somewhat dippy translation at some points.