Terrestrial fossiles on GSL?

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Yes I have.Valid reasons weren´t proofs but they ENHANCE the validity of a theory.

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We have also valid reasons to said your theories aren't valid.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

For example,looking at Rinoa and little Ellone´s appearance and personality we find lots of reasons to say that they are the same person.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I already stated these reasons.

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So do I.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Unfortunately,people thinks time travel is impossible on FF8 and use the age argument to deny the theory.

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Eventually, we denied the theory regardlessly what the arguement is and you said you can't PROOFED prove it.

And if you dun want anyone to deny or make fun of your theory, go post it somewhere else where people can only read it while can't comment it. Or only positive comments is allowed.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

So people should stop these stupid comparisions they create to make fun of me.They had nothing in common with my theories.

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Yes they are. They are as random and irrelevant as the theories itself.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

For those who don´t understood(like Unknowns).

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Unknowns don't understand, no worries. I understand.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Balamb Garden is DSRC ON THE FUTURE and Deling City is FH ON THE FUTURE.

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No it's aren't.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

We do because they were two important characters on a game created by human beings with a purpose.
And they don´t seemed alike.They are EQUAL(just differ on age).

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Originally Posted by Someone that likes Future Esthar but she likes PuPu more

I can see there is much linkage of FF8 and FF X after being "enlighten" by Future's Theories.

Hyne is the almighty god of FF 8 and the first sorceress.
Yu Yevon is the "god" of FF X and the leader of summoners.

People in FF 8 originated from the Centra civilization except for the Estharians. So that make two major civilizations in the game, Centra and Esthar but Centra was destroyed.

In FF X, Zanarkand and Bevelle was the two major civilizations and Zanarkand was destroyed.

In FF 8, Esthar speciallized in machine and technology while it is a mystery of what the Centra people specialized in.

In FF X, Bevelle specialized in machine and technology while Zanarkand their precious summoners.

Mysterious points known as "draw points" is seen popping out of the ground in FF 8 which is much believe is the point that lead to the spirit energies of the farplane in FF X.

A deep sea research center is built in the middle of nowhere to dig deep in the ground for research purposes. I believe they are digging for the passageway to the farplane.

So I assume Zanarkand is actually Centra!!! After Yuna save the world the second time, people begin inhabited and rebuild Zanarkand.
And Bevelle move on with its technology until the Lunar cry which wipe out the Centra. Also, Besaid island might just be Balamb.

We were told that Yu Yevon is an immortal and won't kick the bucket that easily so I assume Yu Yevon live on for centuries bidding his time. As time goes by, people will forget about Yu Yevon so he resurfaced as Hyne. Yu Yevon also know as Hyne pass his power to other sorceress and those that receive his powers is under his mercy.

Sorceress that receive his powers is condemned by those around her and in anger, sorceress unleash their wrath upon humans. When sorceress is upon the blink of death, they pass their powers to other sorceress and continued their terror.

See the link? This is like Spira's "Spiral of Death" and the sorceress is just other Sin used by Yevon/Hyne.

After getting to heard of Ellone/Rinoa, Yevon came up with a even evilier plot than the old school "Spiral of Death" which is time compression. So he picked on a suitable candidate which hold his powers to do the job which happen to be Edea\Uli\Julia. That explain why Uti\Edea\Julia can only possess sorceress.

So, "X" = Hyne/Yevon.

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Most alike, ever.

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We have also valid reasons to said your theories aren't valid.

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Where?
There were NOTHING (and if there were give me examples).
What I see is that you need glasses.

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For example,looking at Rinoa and LITTLE Ellone´s appearance and personality we find lots of reasons to say that they are the same person.

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Eventually, we denied the theory regardlessly what the arguement is and you said you can't PROOFED prove it.

And if you dun want anyone to deny or make fun of your theory, go post it somewhere else where people can only read it while can't comment it. Or only positive comments is allowed.

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You misunderstood me.I only said it is pathethic to deny my theory USING the age argument when time travel is a main concept on FF8 and the arguments I made were covincing and greater in number than the counter arguments.These ones were pathetic compared with the arguments (due to the already stated reasons).

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Yes they are. They are as random and irrelevant as the theories itself.

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No they weren´t random,they were deeply thought (I thought more than twice when I made them up).I have valid reasons for them while there is no valid reasons for the sarcastic ones.

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No it's aren't.

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I admit I don´t have the proof they are.
Now it´s your time to proof otherwise.Go ahead.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Where?
There were NOTHING (and if there were give me examples).

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Nothing suggests they were Propogators as suggested by the game
Nothing suggest Midgar is Deling as suggested by the game
*insert something here* as suggested by the game.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

What I see is that you need glasses.

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I love glasses especially they are filled with ice lemon tea.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

You misunderstood me.I only said it is pathethic to deny my theory USING the age argument when time travel is a main concept on FF8 and the arguments I made were covincing and greater in number than the counter arguments.These ones were pathetic compared with the arguments (due to the already stated reasons).

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No. It should be the other way round.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

No they weren´t random,they were deeply thought (I thought more than twice when I made them up).I have valid reasons for them while there is no valid reasons for the sarcastic ones.

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LIKE DR ODINE WAS "X" or once "X"???? Or Adel was once "X" too??

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I admit I don´t have the proof they are.
Now it´s your time to proof otherwise.Go ahead.

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Proof prove what? My "X" equal Yu Yevon Theory or your theories? Just look at the in game tutorial will rebuke every single point of your theories, that is proof.

Dear Future Esthar

Hi. Nice to meet you. I've read all of your theories that are still available to be read on the boards and can I just say thank you. I haven't laughed so hard in weeks.

Ahem.

Anyway, can I just say something?

You do realise that you are making all this stuff up? That there is actually no possible chance of what you're saying being true? That your "theories" are non-sensical from the fundamental flawed concept?

Let me explain the difference between theory and speculation. A theory is an idea that can be strongly backed up with direct quotes/images from the source material. Speculation is just a suggestion, that at best can never be disproved but never be proved either and at worst can easily be disproved. That's all you have. Speculation.

So please, do not try to force your speculation onto the rest of us as pure fact. It isn't. It's an idea, and if you want to accept this idea despite all evidence to the contrary then that's fine, as long as you don't arrogantly preach your speculation and try to get confirmation from the rest of us. Cause that ain't going to happen. Rinoa is not Ellone. She is quite clearly the daughter of Julia Heartlilly.

I believe that is all. Good day.

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Originally Posted by HowlingMonkey

Dear Future Esthar

Hi. Nice to meet you. I've read all of your theories that are still available to be read on the boards and can I just say thank you. I haven't laughed so hard in weeks.

Ahem.

Anyway, can I just say something?

You do realise that you are making all this stuff up? That there is actually no possible chance of what you're saying being true? That your "theories" are non-sensical from the fundamental flawed concept?

Let me explain the difference between theory and speculation. A theory is an idea that can be strongly backed up with direct quotes/images from the source material. Speculation is just a suggestion, that at best can never be disproved but never be proved either and at worst can easily be disproved. That's all you have. Speculation.

So please, do not try to force your speculation onto the rest of us as pure fact. It isn't. It's an idea, and if you want to accept this idea despite all evidence to the contrary then that's fine, as long as you don't arrogantly preach your speculation and try to get confirmation from the rest of us. Cause that ain't going to happen. Rinoa is not Ellone. She is quite clearly the daughter of Julia Heartlilly.

I believe that is all. Good day.

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Seriously, does anyone still have that thread about "The True Plot of FFVIII", by PIP and me, saved? That's about the depth of the idea and is about as close to reality as this post, the only difference though, is that we were making fun of the game and certain other personalities(noone in particular) aren't.

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Originally Posted by Christmas

We have also valid reasons to said your theories aren't valid.

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Yeah, both look equally pretty, however, that doesn't make them identical. Plus, if they were identical, that would mean that Squall actually goes out with his "sister" and that's quite disturbing. Since the game is meant to be a "game" for people 12+(if I'm not mistaken), it's most probably not the case.

And last but not least, if we follow this line of though, you could say that the whole game consist of one character who travelled through time, had a couple of beauty surgeries and changed his sex in the process. Thus everyone in the game is The One Protagonist, i.e. we are talking about an omniscient God controlling the world and killing himself in different dimensions for the sake of having some fun.

You see where it leads?

If you don't, try adding an aspect of time travel to the real life(i.e. not FFVIII). This, following your line of reason would mean that I am FE, Unknowns, Cid, President Bush, Saddam Hussein and Mona Lisa at the same time. If you enhance the idea, it will lead us to Buddhism like world, where I will try to reach the Nirvana as the end effect of my reincarnation into different people and since we are talking about an omniscient God, there can be no Nirvana but the place where he is already.

Finally, the last three paragraphs are officially said to be a load of nonsense, deducted with the method of FE and all the counter argument. Give it up, the system as presented doesn't work and leads us to a closed circle.

Conclusion: No offence, but it is killed line of arguments, FE.

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That´s not the thruth.My theories can coexist with the game without denying anything on it.

An example:

I never said that Edea told Squall she was possessed by Superman because that didn´t happen.She said that she was possessed by Ulti.

I don´t deny that the apparent events were there.
I am just saying what happens behound the "curtains".

The Lunatic Pandora do what I told it do.

People don´t see it because the Pandora has the ability to become transparent(as we see when the Pandora approaches Tear´s point).

The Pandora was created by the Esthar Soldiers and no one can predict if they created time traveling Properties on it under Adel´s orders.

You seem to misunderstand what a government secret is:
You live on the USA and there were lots of it there
Area 51,Alien Coverage,etc...

Sometimes they went to public knowledge and some other times they remain Top Secret.
The last ones weren´t obviously thaught at schools worldwide nor they appear on books.
The first ones were those that appear on the tutorial.

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Yeah, both look equally pretty, however, that doesn't make them identical. Plus, if they were identical, that would mean that Squall actually goes out with his "sister" and that's quite disturbing. Since the game is meant to be a "game" for people 12+(if I'm not mistaken), it's most probably not the case.

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Even that theory is correct, Squall and Rinoa (or Ellone) could not be her sister.

Squall’s parents are Laguna and Raine, Caraway and Julia are the Rinoa’s parents (or Ellone…).

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I never said that Edea told Squall she was possessed by Superman because that didn´t happen.She said that she was possessed by Ulti.

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That would have been cool, though.

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You seem to misunderstand what a government secret is:
You live on the USA and there were lots of it there
Area 51,Alien Coverage,etc...

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So? If we're getting alien technology, what are you complaining about? Governments HAVE to keep secrets for the security of the people. Jeez, should military battle plans also be public knowledge? Should fighter jets in development have every single specification displayed on the Air Force website?

Not only that, Square is hardly a government. At least last time I checked. As much money as they make, you can never be quite sure.

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Originally Posted by soul_hunter

Even that theory is correct, Squall and Rinoa (or Ellone) could not be her sister.

Squall’s parents are Laguna and Raine, Caraway and Julia are the Rinoa’s parents (or Ellone…).

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Agreed, my mistake here. Confused the characters.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

That´s not the thruth.My theories can coexist with the game without denying anything on it.

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However that makes them speculations and not theories, as said above. Plus, apart from not denying anything, they are not being approved by anything either.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I am just saying what happens behound the "curtains".

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Erm... We are in a computer game here, behind the curtains would be on somebody's keyboard.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

People don´t see it because the Pandora has the ability to become transparent(as we see when the Pandora approaches Tear´s point).

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I think Lunatic Pandora didn't go invisible or transparent, it was just a poorly made effect of it moving into distance.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

The Pandora was created by the Esthar Soldiers and no one can predict if they created time traveling Properties on it under Adel´s orders.

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I think it was found by Esthar and not created by them.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

You live on the USA and there were lots of it there
Area 51,Alien Coverage,etc...

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Even without living in USA, I can truly say, that noone has yet officially announced the existence of Area 51, just as noone has verified the Roswell incident.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Sometimes they went to public knowledge and some other times they remain Top Secret.
The last ones weren´t obviously thaught at schools worldwide nor they appear on books.
The first ones were those that appear on the tutorial.

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Are we still talking about Final Fantasy here?

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

That´s not the thruth.My theories can coexist with the game without denying anything on it.

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This isn't true. Your theories contradict multiple articles in the Information section, and a good deal of dialogue. You can say that your theories are interesting all you like, but it's not nice to lie about what's above. Most of your theories are based on graphical glitches and completely subjective opinions of how the graphics look. Sorry, but your theories require that we assume that, for whatever reason the information that the game gives is not accurate. (For example, you state that Ellone and Rinoa are the same person; the game states that Ellone's parents are dead, while it also states that Rinoa's parents are Julia and Caraway; Julia is dead, and Caraway is alive. Unless we say that the game was inaccurate in describing its own characters, your speculation is out of canon.)

If we accept that, we aren't playing FF8 anymore, we're dealing with a world that's yours, loosely based on FF8. I have more interest in the world of the game itself, thanks.

A decent theory is one that not only doesn't contradict game canon, but supports game canon--something that fills a hole. If we're going to contradict any canon at all, there should be a very good reason for it that fits with the theme of the game overall.

As a sidenote, the Pandora was built by Esthar--but the Crystal Pillar was not. And it would be inaccurate to say that the soldiers 'built' anything.

A little bit off-topic, but still close to it. What was the Crystal Pillar actually used for?(the realistic version please)

Actually, Area 51 does exist. It's simply the pop-culture name for an Air Force base in Groom Lake, Nevada. Hell, if I lived in Nevada I could drive you to the damn base; everyone knows where it is, but as it is a military testing facility, they don't sell tickets.

It's also incorrect to say the Roswell incident hasn't been verified. The incident itself happened; it's simply skewed interpretation of the incident that has been used to claim the existence of UFOs. The desert is where the military does much of their testing, and it's easy to mistake a new, strangely-shaped aircraft as a UFO.

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For example, you state that Ellone and Rinoa are the same person; the game states that Ellone's parents are dead, while it also states that Rinoa's parents are Julia and Caraway; Julia is dead, and Caraway is alive. Unless we say that the game was inaccurate in describing its own characters, your speculation is out of canon.)

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It is not contradicting the tutorial,do you see how you still misunderstand things?
Ellone´s parents were dead.
However I bet people on Galbadia thought Squall was dead.But he misteriously recovers on the prison.The same goes with Laguna.
Suppose this situation:
Julia "dies" on a car crash.But then she got possessed by X ,recovers,chages her physical appearance and get to Winhill with Rinoa and her husband(not Caraway but Rinoa´s true father).Then she "dies again" along with her husband.
Now Julia recovers,turns into Ultimecia and later into Edea and went to Centra.
These things could had happened hidden from civilization.No one knows Julia is alive.That´s why it didn´t appear on the tutorial.It appears that she died because that was what people around the globe thought had happened.Same goes for Ellone´s parents.
Caraway says that Rinoa is his daughter but he could be lying or hidding something.
So as you see there weren´t any inconsistencies between my story and FF8 superficial story.
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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

It is not contradicting the tutorial,do you see how you still misunderstand things?
Ellone´s parents were dead.
However I bet people on Galbadia thought Squall was dead.But he misteriously recovers on the prison.The same goes with Laguna.
Suppose this situation:
Julia "dies" on a car crash.But then she got possessed by X ,recovers,chages her physical appearance and get to Winhill with Rinoa and her husband(not Caraway but Rinoa´s true father).Then she "dies again" along with her husband.
Now Julia recovers,turns into Ultimecia and later into Edea and went to Centra.
These things could had happened hidden from civilization.No one knows Julia is alive.That´s why it didn´t appear on the tutorial.It appears that she died because that was what people around the globe thought had happened.Same goes for Ellone´s parents.
Caraway says that Rinoa is his daughter but he could be lying or hidding something.
So as you see there weren´t any inconsistencies between my story and FF8 superficial story.
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Originally Posted by ?????

Actually, Area 51 does exist. It's simply the pop-culture name for an Air Force base in Groom Lake, Nevada. Hell, if I lived in Nevada I could drive you to the damn base; everyone knows where it is, but as it is a military testing facility, they don't sell tickets.

It's also incorrect to say the Roswell incident hasn't been verified. The incident itself happened; it's simply skewed interpretation of the incident that has been used to claim the existence of UFOs. The desert is where the military does much of their testing, and it's easy to mistake a new, strangely-shaped aircraft as a UFO.

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That depends on what you mean as verified.:)