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I'm not saying that people who find homosexuality immoral wouldn't have a bad reaction to the game; I'm just saying that discussion of whether homosexuality is moral or not should be conducted elsewhere. Right now, the topic is in danger of going down a road it won't recover from.
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Originally Posted by The Devourer Of Worlds
Personally, I'd like to see it. However, I doubt it'd be recieved well. I could pretty much guaruntee it'd be banned in the Southern states at least, not to mention bible thumpers picketin Squenix's HQ 'til it's pulled from shelves worldwide. Or not. Who knows?
I think Fable allowed that. And had a lot of flack about it. It wasn't really intentional on their part. They just decided to be lazy, and found the results amusing, because the affection [program? ...thing] had no variables to differentiate betwen male NPCs and female NPCs so they were both capable of falling in love with the protagonists :DQuote:
Originally Posted by The Devourer Of Worlds
One of my friends is a huge bible thumping homophobe. But he's not a butthead about it. He's actually rather amusing and accepting considering how set in stone his beliefs are. He wont preach to homosexuals unless someone asks for his opinion. But don't you dare put a guy in a game that falls in love with his character xD
I guess in Fable they represent how much someone feels for your character by having a heart over their head or something? And he walked into, I think he said a school, and it had a male teacher, with a huge heart above the teacher's head. Teacher approched him with his love, so he just punched him in the face to make him hate him xD The heart dissappeared or something. Sounded amusing. I'm kinda glad they were lazy in that manner. So the game is open minded in an off handed sorta way
The Devourer Of Worlds is correct. I do not want this thread turning into an all out debate on whether homosexuality is right or wrong. Keep the topic to it's affect on the game.
I've always liked the idea of choosing who you end up with (a la harvest moon). That would please a lot of people I think. Then homosexuals can have their love story, straight people can laugh at it, and heterosexuals can have their love story, and homosexuals can laught at it.
Stop it, Homosexuality will never truly be accepted until everybody forgets judeo-christianty... and even if it did... parents would boycott... Square would lose huge amounts of money and Final Fantasy will forever be hated by parents... and preists would say "these video games are poisoning our youths into believing being a homosexual is okay" or something ridiculous... It would simply be a bad idea and it would never see a US release unless they change the lover into a girl (e.g. Vivian from Paper Mario) or make it seem like they aren't even in love...
B-but... Fable...
And you can CHOOSE to be homo there.
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Originally Posted by FlareNUKE
As much as I hate to say it (Nothing against FlareNUKE, more against society) he's right. The moral majority find any reason to associate video games with all things evil, and this would only bolster that cause.
It would be cool to see. Honestly, it is not like people buy FF games for the love story now is it? People buy FF because they like the games, though seeing homosexual relation would be intruiging and would probably be boughten by more female players. After all the Boy's Love genre (manga) mostly sell to females. Anyways, I would not mind seeing it at all, as long as it is done right. In general I am a sucker for all types of love stories. So I do not see it as being any different. People just like to make a big deal of things. Just because you are straight does not make the game by virtue not understandable for you, after all love is love and someone's sexual orientation does not define them. For those two reasons it would not make it any harder to understand the character if s/he was homosexual, the only thing would be hard for a heterosexual would be the fact it is the same sex, not the fact they are in love or any other character trait.
So long as it can't affect whether or not we get the games, I honestly couldn't care. There are plenty of gems that are (or would be) hated and reviled. I would prefer to see some game makers take a bit of a chance here and there and stick to their guns. It'd make things so much more interesting.
True. Unfortunately I try to relate on more of a literal sense. Granted love as a whole I can sympathize with. But I'm one of those suckers that if the main heroine were real, I'd probably go for her (for the most part). One of the main reasons I didn't like FFX: Yuna. I didn't find her lovable in the least. It'd be even less of a draw if it were a guy 'cause I'd find him even less lovable (no offense). But that certainly doesn't mean I denounse the idea. I actually totally approve. Why should heteros be the only ones who can enjoy and relate to a good love story in a game?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
I hear ya about relating to the characters, or sympathizing with them as you put it. I cant go for a love story unless I can relate to the character.. like in the Star Wars prequels, I very much disliked Padme and thus the love story didnt endear to me at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyk
As for the game being reviled and freaked out about... I could see it happening. I dont know the degree it would be fought against, though... for some reason violence and homosexuality and so on (no, I'm not saying they're the same at all!) are accepted in movies, books, and comics, but not in video games. I suppose because video games are interactive. Or maybe people are just dumb.
And while the game may be spurned, I doubt it would be pulled from the shelves, at least not right away. I'm sure places like WalMart would refuse to sell it, but I wouldnt be surprised if all the outcry against it helped boost sales.
I think we may be overestimating the popularity of the Final Fantasy franchise a little. I mean, it isn’t GTA or HALO; it’s not going to draw the attention that these games would if they included homosexual themes. Sure, most people have at least heard of FF, but most of them only know it because of FFVII. Sure, you may find a few fundamentalist groups that catch wind of the game and treat it in the same manner they treat everything that has magic, demons and minorities but I think you will find the general public would be rather indifferent to its existence. I think if anything, it would be the Final Fantasy fans themselves that would protest the addition of homoerotic material.
Although when I say protest I really just mean not buying the game, spamming the net about how sick it makes them, and maybe writing an angry letter to Square-Enix (probably with the grammatical skills of a mentally retarded wombat).
That's a good point. Though really I rely on the homosexuality itself to increase the recognition. Once word gets on the grapevine, it'll be in the hot little hands of every psycho anti-homo group out there, and that itself with draw the attention.
I see FF fans as being a cross-section of normal gamers and obsessive super-bitchers who nitpick every single aspect of the game and freak out and everything Square does and does not do, so I definitly agree with that second paragraph. As for the severity, probably worse than usual, though I cant see Square giving a damn, especially because most of the complaints would (as usual) come from America and Europe.