The Lack of Cait Sith's Mog and my feelings towards it.

Well then they should have at least explained why they left him out.

If they explained every little thing like that, the movie would've been monumentally long and infinitely more dull. There's loads of stuff that's not explained - why the Turks changed the colour and style of their uniforms, why none of the characters are using their ultimate weapons... I could go on, but meh. If something's really not that important, they might as well leave it open to conjecture.

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Originally Posted by Big D

If they explained every little thing like that, the movie would've been monumentally long and infinitely more dull. There's loads of stuff that's not explained - why the Turks changed the colour and style of their uniforms, why none of the characters are using their ultimate weapons... I could go on, but meh. If something's really not that important, they might as well leave it open to conjecture.

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Yes many things were unanswered and that was why the movie was so goddamn mediocre

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Originally Posted by PontiusPilate

Yes many things were unanswered and that was why the movie was so goddamn mediocre

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No movie is ever going to please everyone. Each person's got their own expectations and preferences for what they'd want to see, and it looks like AC just wasn't what you were waiting for. Sad, but it happens. Doesn't make it a fundamentally bad movie, it just means that you don't like it. Personally, I felt it had a great mix of all the aspects that made the game great - a well-developed story, with aspects that aren't spelled out and are open to speculation; good development of several of the major characters (it was made clear from the outset that it'd be Cloud's story, not the conclusion of ALL the characters' stories); a healthy mix of action and spirituality, as well as a fun re-visit to the game's world and characters. But that's just me, though - no reason everyone should agree.

For one, the Turks didn't change their uniforms that significantly, and secondly, who cares what weapons the characters used? For as far as we know, they could've discovered new weapons by the time the movie took place. That detail was so minute that it was completely insignificant. However, I feel that Cait Sith riding Red XIII was far from a little detail. It couldn't have taken them too long to explain and it would've cleared up alot of the confusion.

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Originally Posted by Slim

For one, the Turks didn't change their uniforms that significantly, and secondly, who cares what weapons the characters used? For as far as we know, they could've discovered new weapons by the time the movie took place. That detail was so minute that it was completely insignificant. However, I feel that Cait Sith riding Red XIII was far from a little detail. It couldn't have taken them too long to explain and it would've cleared up alot of the confusion.

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Blue -> black, button -> zipper is a huge change, fashion-wise :p

Anyway, Cait Sith's mode of transportation doesn't really affect anything that much.

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Originally Posted by Big D

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Originally Posted by PontiusPilate

Yes many things were unanswered and that was why the movie was so goddamn mediocre

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No movie is ever going to please everyone. Each person's got their own expectations and preferences for what they'd want to see, and it looks like AC just wasn't what you were waiting for. Sad, but it happens. Doesn't make it a fundamentally bad movie, it just means that you don't like it. Personally, I felt it had a great mix of all the aspects that made the game great - a well-developed story, with aspects that aren't spelled out and are open to speculation; good development of several of the major characters (it was made clear from the outset that it'd be Cloud's story, not the conclusion of ALL the characters' stories); a healthy mix of action and spirituality, as well as a fun re-visit to the game's world and characters. But that's just me, though - no reason everyone should agree.

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Well duh, of course no movie can please everyone but most people thought the movie could have been better (me being one of them). Of course if you were a simpleton fanboy anything with Sephiroth or cloud in it would make you happy, but im not just looking for a "decent follow up" to IMO is one of the best games ever made. I want it to be good, even great, just like the game. I thought the plot was incredibly mediocre. I could have thought it up, and why would the movie make all these lame changes and not even explain them. You talk as if they changed it, not just because they were being sloppy and rushing, but because they wanted us to be able to analyze the changes. And with DoC in japan getting scores like a 38% (sorry a few minor alterations does not change agame from a 38% to a 90%), it just furthermore proves that the makes of FF VII are getting lazy. All the movie had going for it was the sound/graphics/ and action, otherwise it was mediocre. I give it a 7/10

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Originally Posted by PontiusPilate

Well duh, of course no movie can please everyone but most people thought the movie could have been better (me being one of them). Of course if you were a simpleton fanboy anything with Sephiroth or cloud in it would make you happy, but im not just looking for a "decent follow up" to IMO is one of the best games ever made. I want it to be good, even great, just like the game. I thought the plot was incredibly mediocre. I could have thought it up, and why would the movie make all these lame changes and not even explain them. You talk as if they changed it, not just because they were being sloppy and rushing, but because they wanted us to be able to analyze the changes. And with DoC in japan getting scores like a 38% (sorry a few minor alterations does not change agame from a 38% to a 90%), it just furthermore proves that the makes of FF VII are getting lazy. All the movie had going for it was the sound/graphics/ and action, otherwise it was mediocre. I give it a 7/10

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The movie was never going to be as involved or complex as the game. Everyone should've known that from the start. It's just not possible to have as complex a story in such a short space of time; nor can you develop and utilise every character to the same extent - yet the diehards seemed to think this should have been possible. As it was, the story was a suitably involved one, centred around a fewer characters and drawing on some of the deeper mysteries left open by the game: the nature of Sephiroth and Jenova's identities and interactions, and how the Lifestream is involved in that process. Many of the ideas aren't addressed directly in the game, only in an abstract way. The film expanded on, and clarified, a number of significant ideas. A story isn't automatically "mediocre" just because a few people don't like it as much as the original. Sadly, a number of the game's fans decided back in 2003 that a sequel movie was a bad idea, and from that time they were determined never to like or enjoy anything about it.
It's just about having realistic expectations. FFVII is one of my favourite pieces of modern fiction, due to the complexity of the plot, characters and world. All along, I knew AC wasn't going to be able to rival the scope and convolution of its original... but I feel that, given the limitations, they did a fine job of constructing a concise but effective plot that enabled them to bring back all the familiar faces for one more "reunion", as the creators' dedication calls it at the beginning.
Sure, stuff was changed for no real reason - but none of the changes fundamentally affect the characters, the plot or the back-story, so frankly I'm reasonably unconcerned about it.

Dirge of Cerberus is a bit more of a worry. From what I've seen, though, the Japanese criticism is mainly based on clunky gameplay issues - the kind of thing that might be straightened out by some tweaking. I'm fairly confident that it'll be fine character piece, though, giving Vincent's story the kind of resolution that Cloud got during the course of AC.

Well said, and I agree 100%. However, I still think that the Mog's absence needed to be clarified. Also, Cait Sith's inexplicable decision to ride Red XIII is odd.
People can't expect something that is significantly shorter ro be as good as a 50 hour game. It's not possible. It cannot be done in the time-frame used. Actually a descriptive novel would be a better fundamentally convenient choice. Saves money and it would be able to explain everything. (Perhaps a series of novels?)

There were a series of novellas which had to do with certain characters; and introduced Denzel. I believe you can find translations at http://www.ff7citadel.com somewhere.

Not exactly to do with the topic, but just so ya know. :P

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Originally Posted by PontiusPilate

Well duh, of course no movie can please everyone but most people thought the movie could have been better (me being one of them). Of course if you were a simpleton fanboy anything with Sephiroth or cloud in it would make you happy, but im not just looking for a "decent follow up" to IMO is one of the best games ever made. I want it to be good, even great, just like the game. I thought the plot was incredibly mediocre. I could have thought it up, and why would the movie make all these lame changes and not even explain them. You talk as if they changed it, not just because they were being sloppy and rushing, but because they wanted us to be able to analyze the changes. And with DoC in japan getting scores like a 38% (sorry a few minor alterations does not change agame from a 38% to a 90%), it just furthermore proves that the makes of FF VII are getting lazy. All the movie had going for it was the sound/graphics/ and action, otherwise it was mediocre. I give it a 7/10

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The movie was never going to be as involved or complex as the game. Everyone should've known that from the start. It's just not possible to have as complex a story in such a short space of time; nor can you develop and utilise every character to the same extent - yet the diehards seemed to think this should have been possible. As it was, the story was a suitably involved one, centred around a fewer characters and drawing on some of the deeper mysteries left open by the game: the nature of Sephiroth and Jenova's identities and interactions, and how the Lifestream is involved in that process. Many of the ideas aren't addressed directly in the game, only in an abstract way. The film expanded on, and clarified, a number of significant ideas. A story isn't automatically "mediocre" just because a few people don't like it as much as the original. Sadly, a number of the game's fans decided back in 2003 that a sequel movie was a bad idea, and from that time they were determined never to like or enjoy anything about it.
It's just about having realistic expectations. FFVII is one of my favourite pieces of modern fiction, due to the complexity of the plot, characters and world. All along, I knew AC wasn't going to be able to rival the scope and convolution of its original... but I feel that, given the limitations, they did a fine job of constructing a concise but effective plot that enabled them to bring back all the familiar faces for one more "reunion", as the creators' dedication calls it at the beginning.
Sure, stuff was changed for no real reason - but none of the changes fundamentally affect the characters, the plot or the back-story, so frankly I'm reasonably unconcerned about it.
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I disagree, i can name many many movies with complex storylines. As for the characters, they could have either made the movie longer since it was already short/ give the side characters better lines/ don't have the side characters at all, but the last option would have fanboys complaining. Lets say the game never existed. If I watched the movie, I still would have had the same critisim. And i can safely say a ****load more people thought it was worse than the game than just a few

I personally didnt mind him not having a mog. I liked Cath Sith riding around on Red's head. Plus it would have been a pain to use in battle maybe.

I really wouldn't of cared if Cait Sith just died, he served no purpose in the movie except to make stupid comments like Jar Jar Binks

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I don't think that they even needed the cat there anymore. Why couldn't Reeve have just shown up?

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Because Reeve is a normal person and can't defy gravity and perform kung-fu like everybody else. What would he have done, called Bahamut SIN on his cell and began business negotiations to get him to stop his rampage.

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"I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse..."
"REARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"
"Tch..fine. And Edge had some pretty low rates at the moment too hmph."

Heh, on to things now...I heard the reason the Moogle wasn't in was because it would be too costly to animate, just like Nanaki was supposedly too costly (fur animated) and they didn't feature much of him. Really, they didn't even show much of the others, so I don't why they couldn't have included him.

Also, what exactly would he do? Shout at him with his megaphone? Perhaps his robotic moogle has uber strength and can maybe make a dent or two in Sin? Or what? Another thing, what exactly did Reeve make Cait do in the fight, as all it looked to me is he hung around Nanaki and was more of a liability than help.

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That's probly why Red XIII didn't talk too much until the end of the movie :cry:

I absolutely hate Cait Sith, I really wish he wouldn't have been in the movie at all. And I really wasn't expecting that accent of his, true WTF moment there.