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I like the way this news as been received as, "Haha, Sony sucks! My console > Your Console!" rather than, "Hey, now twice as many people get to play the next installment of an acclaimed fighting series! That's fantastic!".
I'm also thrilled to see a thread in which MILF is dead wrong. It's about damn time.
I'm going to go try this VF just to prove MILF right.
Man, I loved Virtua Fighter 1 and 2 back in the day. Oh Saturn, how I miss you. :( I don't really see how anyone can dismiss the series as being any worse than other 3D fighters out there. The times I've played Tekken it's been nothing more than a button-mashing competition. Obviously there can be more to the game than that, and the same goes for Virtua Fighter.
The series has developed considerably in complexity since then, and anyone who bothered to check the ratings for such a game would get that. Sure, you can argue you hate reviews and only form your own opinions, but those reviews are nothing more than the opinions of people who play videogames for a living. If scores are pretty uneven, it's obvious people love it or hate it, but when nine out of 10 people say something is kickass, they're probably onto something.
I'm personally looking foward to playing this one on my 360. =3
Comparing Final Fantasy to a fighting game is totally stupid. Final Fantasy strategies are always going to be about the same, once you find a way to beat the boss its over, once you see the story its not gonna change. However a fightinig game can dramatically change depending on what people find out, and the person sitting next to you with their skill/attitude.
Oh hell, i thought Smash was pretty much a party game until i saw some of the things you can pull off at high level play compared to the run-of-the-mill casual play with friends of newb level. Sometimes though, not even videos show how complex it is...many a time you can say "I can do that easy"...but when you do it in training mode..it doesnt seem so..and even if you can do it in training well..can you do it in a match with pressure and a thinking opponent? How about with tournament pressure/money match? All of a sudden you appreciate how some can do it in a match with consistancy and know how some top famous players, are top. Everyone can button mash, but would you take the effort to try to go into the game and take it to another level? Thats up to you...
Everyone is hating the PS3 right now...its not unwarranted but...yeah XD This IS good though, we need more different types of fighters on different consoles, this will increase competition as long as they stay arcade perfect. And of course if someone doesnt like the game, they will start hating it without reason. >_> <_< I hope people develop for the Wii too as well, they are not thinking about how there are still GC ports and making more GC Sticks might not be a bad idea.Quote:
I like the way this news as been received as, "Haha, Sony sucks! My console > Your Console!" rather than, "Hey, now twice as many people get to play the next installment of an acclaimed fighting series! That's fantastic!".
I'm also thrilled to see a thread in which MILF is dead wrong. It's about damn time.
Uh, yeah, that's the thing. You are presuming I've never taken the time to learn any VF games, because you're apparently of the opinion that anyone who takes the time to learn it will come to love it. I'd counter that by saying the opposite is true - people who like it will play it and play it and play it. I'm not saying it doesn't take plenty of skill, I've enough experience with VF to know that it does (Got pretty good at number 2, for that matter). I still don't think it's a fantastic series. Good? Arguably. Worth playing? Probably. Better than Soul Caliber, or Tekken, or Dead or Alive? No. And those games are easier to pick up, it's true - but a master at those will absolutely decimate a button basher, just the same as a master would beat a newb at VF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
(Contrary to my earlier post, which was mostly to rile up some talk, I don't think VF sucks in any way. I just don't think it's anything to be excited about.)
And I still think it's cute that people think I'm not hardcore enough.
You said that there's nothing special about it, and it's just another 3D fighting game. There are enough serious tournament players out there who have taken the time to see what you're not seeing to tell you that there IS something there besides ten-year-old 3D graphics.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILFUh, yeah, that's the thing. You are presuming I've never taken the time to learn any VF games, because you're apparently of the opinion that anyone who takes the time to learn it will come to love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Your entire argument rests upon the fallacy that I simply haven't bothered to like the game. Especially effective because by your logic anyone who has bothered will love it, but anyone who doesn't love it hasn't bothered. I can't even begin to categorize how intellectually derelict that is. But I am going to go ahead and say that a game I have to make an effort to enjoy - not to get good at, but merely to enjoy - is inherently inferior to a game which is fun to learn as well as fun to be good at.
*facepalm* That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying you haven't bothered to see the DEPTH that's there. You don't have to like it. That's entirely up to the individual.
O RLY? Because it's clear to me that, throughout the entire thread, your not-very-subtle implication has been that my disliking the VF series is evidence of my failure to properly learn it.
Edit: Sorry, did I say not-so-subtle implication? I meant outright, overt statement.
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Originally Posted by Roto
Personally disliking a series and calling it a bad series are two different things.
THis feels like a thread in EoEo now.
And if you read my posts in the Zelda thread, you'd know I know as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
So which is it? Is Virtua Fighter just another generic fighter or do you just not like it?
I don't like it because it's just another generic fighter, now that there are many other 3d fighters. It is not, as I have said, a particularly bad one, but not a particularly good one, either. Whatever might lie at the end of a long, boring road of practise and training is not worth discussing because... well, it's meant to be fun.
Now, if all the "lulz nub" posts of yours have quite sufficed, I'm going to reiterate that if a game can't make me enjoy it enough to even bother getting good at it, it's by definition not as good as games which do manage that, no matter how it might play when one does get good at it. I'm not interested in tournament gaming, and if I were it'd be RTS games, and I wager the vast majority of gamers aren't interested in entering such. The fact that one tiny subset of players finds it good for that one purpose is hardly evidence that it's a fantastic series. Especially as I wager there are way more SC and Marvel vs. Capcom tournies.
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it's just another generic fighter
You don't have to like it, you just have to admit that there's more to it than you originally thought. It's not a bad game. The most hardcore fighting game fanatics say so.
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I'm going to reiterate that if a game can't make me enjoy it enough to even bother getting good at it, it's by definition not as good as games which do manage that
A game that you personally don't enjoy is not the definition of a bad game.