The True Nature and Intentions of Sephiroth [Spoilers]

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Originally Posted by The Crystal

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Originally Posted by jammi567

but in the game, Sephiroth fell in rom Cloud pushing the sword out of his shoulder.

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But this scene is not cannon anymore. SE changed it in LO and BC, meaning that Cloud never threw him in the Lifestream. If CC show the Nibelheim incident, Cloud will throw Sephiroth in a wall and then he will jump in the Lifestream. If SE remake the original game, in the scene that Cloud remember everything(Lifestream in Mideel), we will see Sephiroth being threw against a wall and jumping in the Lifestream.
This is what really happened, because SE replaced the old cannon information, with another one. This is what we call a "retconn". Forget what you saw in FFVII, because that never happened.

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You do realize they mainly did this because they wanted to appease the crazyed Seph fans who couldn't deal with their prized Seph being beat up by little old Cloud.

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Originally Posted by Goldenboco

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Originally Posted by The Crystal

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Originally Posted by jammi567

but in the game, Sephiroth fell in rom Cloud pushing the sword out of his shoulder.

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But this scene is not cannon anymore. SE changed it in LO and BC, meaning that Cloud never threw him in the Lifestream. If CC show the Nibelheim incident, Cloud will throw Sephiroth in a wall and then he will jump in the Lifestream. If SE remake the original game, in the scene that Cloud remember everything(Lifestream in Mideel), we will see Sephiroth being threw against a wall and jumping in the Lifestream.
This is what really happened, because SE replaced the old cannon information, with another one. This is what we call a "retconn". Forget what you saw in FFVII, because that never happened.

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You do realize they mainly did this because they wanted to appease the crazyed Seph fans who couldn't deal with their prized Seph being beat up by little old Cloud.

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An appeal to motive AND irrelevant to the canonicity of the scene.

Yep.

I wish they had just left it at vii.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91

SEPHIROTH WAS IN CONTROL... A LOT OF FACT PROVE IT...EVEN THE GAME ITSELF SAYS AND PROVES IT

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Enlighten Me. Give me this "evidence" from the game. THE GAME. Not any spinnoffs or guides written years later by those who barely had anything to do with the writing of the original story.

I'll be open-minded when you give me this evidence, but your excuses saying that the "the [fanboy-pleasing] ultima-omega guide said so" is not enough.

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Originally Posted by Griff

Technically, Square didn't make the guide. A third party made it and had Square publish it because otherwise they couldn't use the name Final Fantasy...

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This means that a THIRD PARTY paid SQUARE-ENIX big bucks to get the "official" final fantasy name on their product. SQUARE-ENIX wouldn't care what they wrote in their strategy guide so long as it would be successful.

How "official" is the guide now?

I remember reading every story-related FAQ about FFVII before Advent Children was even in production and they all pointed to JENOVA as the driving force behind Sephiroth's evilness. These were written by very intelligent people who backed their statements by events in the GAME.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91

Sorry, but I don't care what you say, Sephiroth was in complete control. Heck IF Jenova had control him, then it (I say it because it is able to transform) would be saying it was Jenova in the first place. It's like a wake up call," Hello Cloud, I am Jenova in control not this weak minded pawn."

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Ah, but she did. Many times. Too bad Cloud didn't smell the coffee.

And Sephiroth WAS weak-minded. Ever notice how people without Jenova in them don't go crazy? Sephiroth had Jenova in him from before birth, so he was even more suseptible to becoming Jenova's puppet.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91

I think the reason why Jenova was probably put in is to explainthe Sephiroth copies and why Sephiroth has those powers. so other than that, Jenova would be Insignificance.

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You obviously haven't seen the videotapes of Prof. Gast talking to Ifalna at Icicle Inn. in the game. Although they are obscure, they reveal why Jenova is so damn important.

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Originally Posted by silentenigma

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Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91

SEPHIROTH WAS IN CONTROL... A LOT OF FACT PROVE IT...EVEN THE GAME ITSELF SAYS AND PROVES IT

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Enlighten Me. Give me this "evidence" from the game. THE GAME. Not any spinnoffs or guides written years later by those who barely had anything to do with the writing of the original story.

I'll be open-minded when you give me this evidence, but your excuses saying that the "the [fanboy-pleasing] ultima-omega guide said so" is not enough.

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Originally Posted by Griff

Technically, Square didn't make the guide. A third party made it and had Square publish it because otherwise they couldn't use the name Final Fantasy...

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This means that a THIRD PARTY paid SQUARE-ENIX big bucks to get the "official" final fantasy name on their product. SQUARE-ENIX wouldn't care what they wrote in their strategy guide so long as it would be successful.

How "official" is the guide now?

I remember reading every story-related FAQ about FFVII before Advent Children was even in production and they all pointed to JENOVA as the driving force behind Sephiroth's evilness. These were written by very intelligent people who backed their statements by events in the GAME.

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Think on how I put it on my Prove it!! thread: "Come one people! Sephiroth is the villian..SEPHIROTH!!! Jenova was helping Sephiroth with his powers..they were his source... just like Superman and the Sun..the Sun was the source of Supermans power but was NOT the hero other wise he and the other Kryptonians couldn't do their thing. So, Jenova was was just like Sephiroth's Sun so that analogy is good right?"

I made some edit's; didn't know other posts had been made before them.

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Originally Posted by silentenigma

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Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91

Sorry, but I don't care what you say, Sephiroth was in complete control. Heck IF Jenova had control him, then it (I say it because it is able to transform) would be saying it was Jenova in the first place. It's like a wake up call," Hello Cloud, I am Jenova in control not this weak minded pawn."

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Ah, but she did. Many times. Too bad Cloud didn't smell the coffee.

And Sephiroth WAS weak-minded. Ever notice how people without Jenova in them don't go crazy? Sephiroth had Jenova in him from before birth, so he was even more suseptible to becoming Jenova's puppet.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91

I think the reason why Jenova was probably put in is to explainthe Sephiroth copies and why Sephiroth has those powers. so other than that, Jenova would be Insignificance.

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You obviously haven't seen the videotapes of Prof. Gast talking to Ifalna at Icicle Inn. in the game. Although they are obscure, they reveal why Jenova is so damn important.

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By the way, I'm still not enlightened as I have not read any evidence that has been supported by specific parts of the game.

I'm sorry for being an ass, but that's the way it is.

edit: oh by the way, I'm moving my arguement over to that other thread.