None to all. The answer isn't a card, but it has a little to do with cards.
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None to all. The answer isn't a card, but it has a little to do with cards.
How could "Puny Castle" refer to something in real life? That's confusing the helll outta meh.
I looked on the cover and in the manual, but nothing there from what I saw. I'm confused too, but I'm sure it has a reasonable explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by G SpOtZ
Should I just give away a hint that'll basically give away the answer, and end this madness?
Please do.
Are there anymore hints that won't give it away? If so, just let out that one...
*breathes in* Alright, because I don't feel like checking this...
Puny Castle is an anagram.
Umm... Uncle Patsy... Stanley cup... Could Stanley cup be what it refers to? I can't find anything else. I have to think about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doomie
does Reindeer games have anything to do with the movie?
If its an Anagram there's about a million combinations... here are few :)
STANLEY CUP, PLAN CUT YES, TAP SYNC LEU (could be to do with a bathroom lol).
EDIT: Oh, stanley cup has already been said. Sorry.
I'm going to guess Slappers, the demi-human hockey players in Galbadia Garden's hockey rink. One of the Reindeer games alluded to could be hockey, and the Stanley Cup is a trophy won in hockey championships. The rink is indoors, so it is shielded from the light.
??? The anagram is harder than the riddle lol
Must be the work of Santa :radred:
Yes, the answer IS a Slapper. Although the only reason anyone got it right was because I gave the anagram. Not to mention the only thing that has to do with the Stanley Cup in the came is Slappers. Logic?Quote:
Originally Posted by BG-57
The first three lines pretty much refer to what they look like and what they do. Shielded from darkness thingie refers to the mask. Tasting the victory refers to the fact that both the goal of a hockey player and an enemy in the game is to win.
The Puny Castle line is as we both know the big hint. Puny Castle is an anagram for Stanley Cup, which should have pointed you towards the idea of hockey/Slappers.
Lastly, the "RJoining Rudolph in the pit of loneliness." is my favorite line. I told you which line of the song it refers to. "They wouldn't let poor Rudolph join in any reindeer games." This actually refers to the fact that Slapper is one of the only enemies that doesn't have his pwn card in the Triple Triad game. Go ahead B52 or whatever. =]
That was a good riddle. Apart from the fact I didn't really know what the Stanley cup was (I'd heard of it though) :P. Well done BG-57!
Thanks. But I'm surprised no one beat me to the Stanley Cup-hockey-Slapper connection. :greenie:
The realm of the dark knight
No monument to his glory
Just a lot of lost minions
And an untrustworthy guardian
We don't need to explain for this one do we?
Is it Odin?
No, but an explanation would be welcome, of course.
It's not Odin.
Hmm... This one could be tricky, seeing as there is no 'me' in the riddle, so we don't really know what to search for. But that just makes it more interesting! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BG-57
'The realm of the dark knight' definitely reminds me of Odin. The place where he is found is called Centra ruins, but has a sign saying "My blue heaven" outside.
'Just a lot of lost minions
And an untrustworthy guardian'
This reminds me of Tonberrys and Tonberry king. Ehm... Gah. I can't think right now. My brain is filled with syrup.
Seifer
Dark Knight - 'Dark Sorceress' knight
Monument - nothing to show for his doings
minions - fujin and raijin
untrustworthy - joined Galbadia to fight Balamb Garden
It's not the Tonberry King or Tonberries in general.
I knew somebody would guess Seifer, but it's not him either.
could it be the tomb of the uinknown king?
The realm of the dark knight---the dark knight death
No monument to his glory---there is no monument for death
Just a lot of lost minions---everyone that kills is deaths minions
And an untrustworthy guardian---the brothers posibly... its the best i can come up with rightnow
Where'd you get the "death" part? And there were plenty of monuments in the Tomb of the Unknown King.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaiserDragon with a hat
It's not the Tomb of the Unknown King, but it is a place.
I thought it was a well-reasoned guess, actually. Although I would have said 'guardians' had I been referring to the Brothers.Quote:
Originally Posted by G SpOtZ
centra ruins (place where you find Odin)
The realm of the dark knight---Odin
No monument to his glory---in shatters
Just a lot of lost minions---tonberries
And an untrustworthy guardian---tonberry master who is actually another tonberry who joined the party that defeated so many of his species
It's not the Centra Ruins.
lol i thought the same thing but i thought that would be to easy... seems i was rightQuote:
Originally Posted by mobiletype
and now i think about it i think it could be the Tears Point (the place where the Lunatic Pandora goes to)
The Deep Sea Deposit (Area under the Research Center)
The realm of the dark knight - It's where Ultima Weapon resides, and I consider him a "knight" because of his sword and power.
No monument to his glory - There's nothing to represent Ultima Weapon and his strength or reign, except for the ruins.
Just a lot of lost minions - The scientists and researchers are all gone, if they're considered minions... and you have no choice but to destroy every monster you come across on your way down to the deposit.
And an untrustworthy guardian - Either Bahamut or Eden... They're both guardian forces, and they can both be converted to your side of the team. Bahamut is sort of "guarding" the deposit, because if you don't beat him, you can't make your way down farther. Eden, on the other hand, is a Guardian Force that Ultima Weapon wields, and you can extract it.
Good guesses, but it's not Tears' Point or the Deep Sea Deposit.
Here's a wild guess:
The big mansion/house in Winhill, where you take up the vase sidequest.
The suit of armor could represent the Knight, right? It's not the Winhill Mansion though. :p
EDIT:
I'll repost my riddle, since we're on a new page:
The realm of the dark knight
No monument to his glory
Just a lot of lost minions
And an untrustworthy guardian
Is it Blitz? It looks like a knight.
Diablos?
The realm of the dark knight--(his dimension)
No monument to his glory--(no monument to him after all the challengers he has destroyed)
Just a lot of lost minions--(those who he has defeated)
And an untrustworthy guardian--(Cid becouse he gives the lamp to squall)
it couldnt be Diablos as BG already said it was a place
It's not Blitz or Diablos or his dimension.
I should mention that the answer is a place, not a person.
lol seconds apart XDQuote:
Originally Posted by BG-57
Heh. :D
BTW, I'll provide hints upon request.
ok.
can you give a hint please, it is too hard to solve this, please.
good now? ^^
HintThe Knight alluded to is legendary.
The place where Odin is... Centra Ruins?
It's not Centra Ruins or Odin, as I've said before. :eep:
Lunatic Pandora
The realm of the dark knight - Perhaps you refer to Gilgamesh if not Odin
No monument to his glory - ???
Just a lot of lost minions - Seifer, Fujin and Raijin
And an untrustworthy guardian - Mobile Type 8
It's not Lunatic Pandora.
Hmm, well, here's a longshot. It's so much of a longshot that I don't want to bother explaining if it isn't correct :D
Zell's room?
the tomb of the unknown king??!!!
Already been guessed. BG, you should probably list already guessed answers in your first post on this page :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Owen Macwere
Has the Underwater Research Facility been said yet?
Random guess................Ultimecia's castle :save:
yes it hasQuote:
Originally Posted by IceAngel
Incorrect Guesses:
Remember that the answer is a place, not a person.Quote:
Odin
Gilgamesh
Tonberry King
Tonberries
Seifer
Diablos
Blitz
Centra Ruins
Tomb of the Unknown King
Tear's Point
Deep Sea Deposit
Winhill Mansion
Diablos' Dimension
Lunatic Pandora
Zell's Room
Ultimecia's Castle
Esthar
The realm of the dark knight
No monument to his glory
Just a lot of lost minions
And an untrustworthy guardian
Erm.... random guess.... Centra Crater
Balamb garden... or more specifically the basement level where Norg resides?
It's not Esthar, Centra Crater, or Balamb Garden.
Random guess... Deling city??
Nope.
Can we have another clue please?
Sure.
HintIt's related to a subquest.
could it be fire cavern?
It's not the Fire Cavern.
come on this one is really hard
Is it the pub managers secret room that you can only get to after you beat him at cards?
The realm of the dark knight--(secret room)
No monument to his glory--(no monuments in the room like trophies for winning so often)
Just a lot of lost minions--(his rare cards)
And an untrustworthy guardian--(he wasn't good enough to beat you)
I know its a long shot but I'm getting desperate
the lake where the find that Yufo guardian that one... damt it I don't remember the name.
It's hard in the sense that a riddle by Endless Twillight would be hard.
EDIT:
It's not the Dollet Pub.
Owen Macwere, do you mean Pupu? Or Obel Lake?
yes, that's it Obel lake ^^!
ok then whats the next riddle?
it is 14 posts below:)Quote:
Originally Posted by snakebyte91
The realm of the dark knight
No monument to his glory
Just a lot of lost minions
And an untrustworthy guardian
I dunno if this is right but it's a guess.
There's a scene in the game which is a flash back to laguna. He plays a "legendary dark knight" that has to fight a ruby dragon. It's a movie so there's no real monument to how he became a dark knight or is one etc. His minions would be Ward and Kiros (although I believe Kiros was the only one present in this flashback) and also the co-star. The director and co-star flee the place, as Kiros is missing from the scene. The director "could" be laguna's guardian, as in reality, a director has full responsibility of his actors in production of the movie. So if anything happened to Laguna it'd be his fault.
I can't tell where this place is, so I can only say in Squall's dreams or in the "dream land". If I am right, I've agreed for Rantzien to take the riddle as he was the one who introduced me to this riddle in the first place.
I know what you are talking about, I belive thats the mountain in trabia :)
Oh yeah, the Trabia Mountain Trail or something? Good explanation Lenna.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squall_VIII
I'm wondering if the "Dark" in "dark knight" has anything significance.
I thought about that, maybe it was in relation to a dark area (night time; dark knight) or maybe Kiros, he could be classed as a knight kinda.
Is the 'dark night' mentioned on the first line a different person to the man mentioned on the second line? :confused:
I don't think so, but then if you're on about my explanation, Laguna had a monument of himself, but we're not on about laguna himself. I'm on about the character he played in that movie.
His glory could be his status as dark knight, and the monument would be how he became of this status. But we don't know do we? :P
It's not Obel Lake or the Trabia Mountain.
However, Owen Macwere is on the right track. The answer is related to the Obel Lake subquest.
Perhaps the forest by Dollet? You know, the one with the talking monkey, haha.
Mr. Monkey is one of my favorite characters in the game! But it's not his forest. :monkey:
Aha, the three stone faces that one tell lies and other say truth and the other say opposite things, ges I am so forgetfull, don't know thei names ^^!.
Yay, I know. The answer is Mordred plains.
The realm of the dark knight
Mordred refers to the knight from the time of King Arthur. Wikipedia quote:
"Mordred or Modred (Welsh: Medraut) is a legendary figure of Britain, known in Arthurian legend as a notorious traitor who fought King Arthur at the Battle of Camlann, where he was killed and Arthur fatally wounded."
No monument to his glory
Well, there are no signs or monuments of Mordred, apart from his name.
Just a lot of lost minions
The lost minions are the stones that don't mean anything.
And an untrustworthy guardian
This is the red stones; they are untrustworthy because they tell the exact opposite of the truth.
wow ive only just joined but it looks to me like people are way over thinking this:-)
It looks to me like you're being narrow-minded :)Quote:
Originally Posted by snakebyte91
The riddles on these forums are often deep and clever, with references to real life or legends, with synonyms, antonyms, anagrams and God knows what. It's seldomly easy.
yeah i just read the first couple pages i was wrong you are way way way under thinking this!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantzien
You are correct Rantzien! Your go. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantzien
I'm sorry Owen Macwere, your description was accurate, but I needed the name of the place. :erm:
It is alright ^_~. It is just my poor memory and that I hadn't played the game for so long, and well after all I didn't do this subquest just heard of it.
^^
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."
Well, let's get Miss Obvious out of the way first. Is it Raine?
Nope, not Raine.
my english is not good I don't understand half this riddle. I think i'd give a random guess: Squall.
could it be edea?
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."
Is it Dr Odine? - Laguna's on a search to find Elle after she gets kidnapped, Dr Odine's purpose is to keep Elle under watch as she is Ultimecia's target. Maybe Dr Odine says to Laguna that he should get used to Elle not being around as she is a danger to the world?
It's not Squall, Edea or Dr. Odine.
I'll give a hint to eliminate the usual guesses: The answer is not a character.
Lol, I'm still confuzzled :confused:
could it be time compression
or something to do with time?
What exactly are we looking for? Where in the riddle does it tell you?
The riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."
It's not time compression. And a part of the riddle (not the answer) is a teeny bit related to time, but not in an obvious way. :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by snakebyte91
The first part is a clue to find the answer, but you have to figure the first part out by figuring the second part out which is referring to the first part :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lenna
Wrong guesses:
Raine
Squall
Edea
Dr. Odine
Time compression
Laguna card
Junction machine Ellone
The player
Youth
Hints:
The answer is not a person.
The answer is not an obtainable item.
Word play
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."
Is it the Laguna card?
Lo and behold laguna says could be a way of his greeting even without words you can greet them with a look, and she would have got his card from somewhere and kept it.
There is no other way to get the card, without Elle there is no card, you may not even know it's there.
Nope, not the Laguna card. Think about connections in the riddle ;)
Does it have to do with Laguna's love for Ellone and wishing to give all his years just to be her, to see the things she has instead of living all those years trying to find her?
I know I am probobly wrong...someone's probobly guessed that one before.
Nope, sorry.
"Lo and behold", (A greeting, perhaps.)
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone. (What the--! Laguna's a grandpa?!)
"If I were you, (Dunno)
I'd give in for my age (Dunno)
in a previous world, (Dunno)
without Elle." (Dunno)
I'm not guessing the answer, but I have a question for Rantzien.
Is the answer an object which can be OBTAINED in the game? I'm meaning magazines, cards, potions, blah.
Nope, it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by _yeojina_
is it refering to the space station ...?outer heaven?
No :)
The Junction Machine Ellone
Nope
Question the riddle, and as I said before, look for internal connections. If you don't you won't get anywhere.
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
wIthout Elle."
Is it the player by any chance?
when looking at this riddle, the first part refers to the storyline I believe, we see this. The whole previous world thing gives me the impression that it's our own world. As the game has Elle in it all over the place, but in our world, she doesn't really exist. Or it could be our way of thinking, "If I were you" if the player was laguna, he would have given up, as what we see, seems to be practically impossible to do in our world, we dont have the strength or determination to do all that laguna did, not to mention it's a make-believe world.
I dunno though. There doesn't seem to be any visible connection that's the problem, the whole riddle just doesn't make sense. The fact that it's in quotes concludes that it was said, or thought to oneself.
The answer is not a person.
The answer is not an obtainable item.
that leaves only places, metaphorical connections outwith the game, or enemies. And enemies don't make sense because they don't speak unless they are a person.
Any chance of another hint?
It's not the player.
You're not exactly on the right track but you're getting there. "If I were you" is one of the more irrelevant lines (not entirely though). Think about every separate word, even some common words. Most of them are chosen for a reason. Again, question why the riddle reads as it does.
And you're right, the quotes imply that it's said. It's a continuation of Laguna's monologue from the first line.
Wikipedia, dictionary.com etc. wont help you much (if any) with this one riddle. ;)
Hmm..I'm pretty sure this is wrong.
Is it youth?
I still dont understand what it is we are supposed to be figuring out here.
The riddle just seems like a statement to me.
It's not youth.
A part of this riddle is figuring out what you're supposed to figure out. The riddle is NOT a description of the answer, when you have figured out the riddle's secret (big hint there) and are finished with the riddle, THEN you can think about what the result was and it will lead you to the answer.
So: Do not try to find the answer in the riddle, in fact, forget about looking for the answer and try to figure out what's up with the riddle.
I'm gonna make a random guess... Laguna deciding not to go looking for Ellone.
Nope. Btw I'm sorry for giving such fuzzy hints but I don't want you to concentrate on finding an answer and then trying to pair it with the riddle.
BUT! I'm gonna give away a big hint because I'm starting to realize that you're getting nowhere without it.
The hint is: Word play
Now go figure that riddle out.
it sounds as if laguna is showing ellone something, is that on the right track?
Not really :p
Well im in over my head, ill just steer clear of this thread for a while
yeah i see what you mean...no oe will ever get this riddle.Quote:
Originally Posted by HolyMackeral
ill give them 50pound if they do lol:D
"lo and behold, if I were you without elle."
a time and place without ellone...
Is it ultimecia's castle? timber? white seed ship?
This is harder than I thought. :3
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
wIthout Elle."
And word play huh? hmmm well I cant do word play unless I see the words that the other words are 'played' against: for example "Ol'" is word play of old which sounds like "behold".
Is that the kind of 'word play' you mean?
You're definitely on to something. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IceAngel
For you other guys, show some spirit damnit! :D
Is there any word play within the second section of the riddle?
is it 'loire'? just gathered the capetale letters in the riddle.
wrong right? ^^
Would that work? there isnt a capital R.
The riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."
Wrong guesses:
Raine
Squall
Edea
Dr. Odine
Time compression
Laguna card
Junction machine Ellone
The player
Youth
"Loire"
The opening movie sequence
Iguion
Hints:
The answer is not a person.
The answer is not an obtainable item.
Word play
The second part is directed at the riddle solver.
The answer is not abstract.
Quote:
Originally Posted by IceAngel
Yes, to both :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Owen Macwere
You say we must look for connections within the riddle beforeeven trying to figure out the answer and connecting THAT to the riddle, should we be looking at the 2 sections of the riddle as if they have no connection with eachother? like, should we read them as if they are 2 separate quotes and not try and connect the 2 parts together?
Look for connections throughout the WHOLE riddle. When your finished "solving" the riddle you can find out the answer by reading the first part.
New hint: The second part is directed at you, yes you. You being a riddle solver.
So is it something to do with reality? I mean OUR reality. I only ask this because you say about 'you' refering to 'us' as the riddle answerers.
No other real world references than the "you".
I know you said 'you being a riddle solver' but is it also as you/us being a player? In which case id guess at a previous world being before we'd played the game.
And purely because I feel I must make a random guess I'm going to say the opening movie sequence.
Nope, only the riddle solving part of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by HolyMackeral
No, wrong.Quote:
And purely because I feel I must make a random guess I'm going to say the opening movie sequence.
The answer is not abstract. But don't focus on that for the time being, focus on figuring the riddle out with the help of the non-answer-related hints.
which of the first two lines of the riddle is more significant?
EDIT: is it iguion?
They're the last key to find the answer but for that to happen you must figure out the "secret" of the second part. It will lead you to the first part which, with the key found in the second part, gives you a good clue on how to find out the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by mobiletype
NopeQuote:
EDIT: is it iguion?
:confuzed: well we haven't covered events so is it an event?
No, it's not an event (I count that as abstract), but let's not play the eliminating game here. As I've said many times now, focus on the riddle, not the answer.
This is just me getting frustrated, ive been looking over the entire thread for a while and decided to join for this riddle alone and maybe more... but i dont expect you to say ur right or wrong i just wanna say my thoughts... it's come to the point where i read "a world without elle" and say to myself "ok what happens when you eliminate ellone from the first part... like im beggining to think its one of those riddles where the answer to the first part is right in front of uss and rantzien is just getting a luagh because we'll belike "omg why the hell didnt i see that"...im beggining to think the second part is almost instructions for the first part... sorry for a post so big but i like thinking out loud sometimes...and hoping its right lol;)
No problem with big posts, it's fun to read. But when I made this riddle it was knowing it was going to be hard, so I don't think you suck or anything just because you can't find it out in the first turn :)
But you're on the right track, the second part kind of IS instructions for the first part, but it's not EXACTLY right in front of you.
I know hard riddles are kind of irritating, some people were getting very annoyed at my previous riddle (in the FF9 Riddles thread) because of it's difficulty, but with a lot of input on the riddle I could give a lot of output and it was eventually solved. So give me input and I'll give you output and you'll eventually be rid of this riddle :)
ill wait for others inputs but if there arent any in a while i really wouldnt mind an extra hint on this one lol:P until then im determined ot b the one to figure this out damnit...
Ok is there word play involved with 'Elle'?
Like a world without the letter 'L'?
So instead of world it would be a previous word. Like a word in the first two lines?
I'll feel so special if thats right.
Head on :D
that says to me " ONE "
or Eone lol... im getting nowher with this one...
Me neither, even after my breakthrough(maybe?).
Lmao... ok wow like ur right...that was a huge breakthrough i think... but im am in no different position lol
HEY RANTZIEN WANNA TAKE US UP ON THAT HINT NOW!? :D :D :D
Continue on with the instructions given in the riddle :)
That's the only kind of hint I can give that will help you right now, unless you ask about something specific.
im just really thinking that i should be seeing something in "i'd give in for my age"... but i really have no clue what that line means
http://www.ff-fan.com/chartest/banners/auron.jpg
Analyze the words a bit and I think you'll find something.
:cool: here's another random post again... ill post the riddle for ease when refferng what i say to the riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."
now we already know that:
1. "without elle" means without the letter "L", which would make world actually word (thank you HolyMackeral for that connection)
now, when i see that i see the first part as lo and behold ol laguna says to "ONE" or Eone if u take out the "l"s, but one thing im starting to think (im prolly wrong tho) is that when the quote says if I were you...does it mean if the " i "s were "u"s seeing as Elle meant "l"...just more thoguhts and possibly more wordplay in the riddle... but there has to be something about "ONE ".....:p :rolleyes2
p.s. im still stuck on the "i'd give in for my age"line guys...
#2 P.s. random point here, "lo and behold" ususally means "suddenly"
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."
Rantzien has already said that you is referring to us as the riddle solversQuote:
one thing im starting to think (im prolly wrong tho) is that when the quote says if I were you...does it mean if the " i "s were "u"s seeing as Elle meant "l".
lmao see told ya...i was wrong
:cool:
The I-U connection is actually NOT a part of the riddle's word play, but well spotted still. And you can consider yourself ready with the last line. It's just there for making the previous line trickier. So, let's start ruthlessly picking this riddle to pieces. This is what you have now:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were the riddle answerer,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous word."
The riddle tells you what to do. Rephrase it and do whatcha told :D
I guess we could remove the "If i were you" line as its not really telling us a whole lot except that we should do what comes in the next two lines. Therefore the answer lies here.
I'd give in for my age
in a previous word
Does age relate to the fact that in the second line Laguna is "Ol'"?
The riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."
Wrong guesses:
Raine
Squall
Edea
Dr. Odine
Time compression
Laguna card
Laguna's love for Ellone
The space station
Outer heaven
Junction machine Ellone
The player
Youth
Laguna deciding not to go looking for Ellone
Ultimecia's castle
Timber
White SeeD ship
"Loire"
The opening movie sequence
Iguion
Ellone's birth
Laguna's first sight of Ellone
Laguna's last sight of Ellone
A gun
Lol (lol)
Hints:
The answer is not a person.
A part of the riddle (not the answer) is a teeny bit related to time, but not in an obvious way.
The first part is a clue to find the answer, but you have to figure the first part out by figuring the second part out, which is referring to the first part.
Look for connections in the riddle.
The answer is not an obtainable item.
Question the riddle.
Think about every separate word, even some common words. Most of them are chosen for a reason.
Wikipedia, dictionary.com etc. wont help you much (if any) with this one riddle.
Do not try to find the answer in the riddle, in fact, forget about looking for the answer and try to figure out what's up with the riddle.
Word play
The second part is directed at the riddle solver.
The answer is not abstract (events, feelings etc.).
The two first lines are the last key to find the answer but for that to happen you must figure out the "secret" of the second part. It will lead you to the first part which, with the key found in the second part, gives you a good clue on how to find out the answer.
The second part is instructions for the first part.
The lines "in a previous world without Elle" have been figured out to mean simply "in a previous word" which refers to a specific word in one of the first two lines.
"If I were you" does not mean "If 'I' was 'U'".
"Age" relates to the fact that in the second line Laguna is "Ol'".
The first line, "Lo and behold" is very significant.
"Give in" does not mean the same as "give up" in this case.
"Lo and behold" is the strongest link to the answer and hence something you'll have to figure out later on.
"Give in for my age" is more word play.
The riddle contains no anagrams.
Question: When you give in for your age do you replace a word with the word in? - Answer: Almost, but not really.
Note the implication of Laguna's old age.
"Lo and behold" does not relate to the phrase "Low and be old".
There is something in the last two lines (especially the last) that you might not have thought of.
Laguna says the first line to Ellone when she's there. That fact is important to the riddle.
Indeed it does, or rather the clue to the clue to the answer. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HolyMackeral
Haha, this is almost going too fast. Yes, correct.Quote:
Does age relate to the fact that in the second line Laguna is "Ol'"?
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were the riddle solver,
I would give in for my(lagunas) age
in a previous word,
i think we just keep confusing ourselves more and more and are making this riddle harder then it really is, but i still can't understand the "i would give in for my age "line, it just doesn't make any sense at all to me... grr i effing love riddles, and this one is a challenge, but it is REALLY pissing me off lol:P
I posted before I saw you edited in your question. So I edited in my answer :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HolyMackeral
And to this question: Very.
if u give us a hint as to the meaning of the line GIVE IN FOR MY AGE, would it be almost too easy from then on in..cause if not... PLZ DO
Then I deleted my post when I saw you edit yours. Vicious cycle.
is it when ellone is born?
lol scrap that idea..too random
Lol yeah, but I managed to answer both your questions *proud*.Quote:
Originally Posted by HolyMackeral
White shadow, I think you already figured this, but "give in" does not mean the same as "give up" here. What else could it mean?
It's not Ellone's birth :)
Lo and behold according to a dictionary of idioms means look, or what a surprise, but doesnt really help much.
So Rantzien is 'give in for my age' more wordplay? And this previous word, is it referring to a specific word in the riddle?
edit: just me or does it feel like a 2 horse race?
lol i do believe it is... and it will be one tough race lemme tell you htat...BUT I HAVE TO EAT NOW!:(:( i might miss it.....Quote:
Originally Posted by HolyMackeral
RANTZIEN do you say not ellones birth as if im on the right track with an event with ellone but its just not her birth....cause if not i would also say it could be the first time laguna ever set eyes on her...first time he met ellone...but ill be gone for the next 15 20 mins... so win by too much holy mackeral
"Lo and behold" is the strongest link to the answer and hence something you'll have to figure out later on (soon if you keep up this speed).
"give in for my age" is more word play, yes. The previous word is referring to one specific of the riddle's words, yes.
It's not the first time Laguna sees Ellone. You're thinking about the answer too early again :) Trust me, you are not ready yet :p
Im gonna take a stab that the specific previous word is in the first two lines, which probably makes it either Ol' or Ellone, maybe Laguna. Man this is hard, where do you come up with this stuff Rant?
yay i made itback in time... now then where were we...a hell im reposting itagain
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."
wait a damn minute here... RANT PLZ TELL ME THERE ARE NO ACRONYMS**! I FAILED THAT PART OF ENGLISH CLASS!
Yes, the 'previous word' is in the first two lines. :)
Writing on paper actually helps the creativity to flow when creating riddles. My current FFIX riddle was written in a minute on a piece of paper. This one took some more time though. ;)
No anagrams! Yay! :p
Btw I'm going to bed... It's 2:22am here.
when you give in for your age do you replace a word with the word in?
Im running out of ideas here.
yeah im runnin out too, but im not givin up although im gonna take a break for a bit, im thinking too hard for it
I think we have most of the pieces im just not smart enough to put them all together. So I'll just check back to see if anyone gets it by tomorrow.
I think it is the last time Laguna sees Ellone. "Lo and Behold" makes me think he's surprised she was able to see him on his death bed. It has implyed several times of his oldr age, and Im supposing Ellone has caused this pain, which would lead to him wanting to trade in his age for a life without elle. Not becuase its her fault, but because of what she went through due to him. ? Am I right?
Maybe... :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by HolyMackeral
Sorry but it's wrong, you still have to figure out the rest of the riddle in the word play manner, because the riddle as it is now does not give you any direct clues to the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoaJ
You're right to note the implication of the older age. But you need to pay more attention to the most important clue "Word play" :)
1)
2)Quote:
Haha, this is almost going too fast. Yes, correct.Quote:
Does age relate to the fact that in the second line Laguna is "Ol'"?
3)Quote:
Maybe...Quote:
when you give in for your age do you replace a word with the word in?
Quote:
Yes, the 'previous word' is in the first two lines.
The above points lead me to believe that you replace with word Ol' with in.
And as I posted above according to a dictionary of idioms 'lo and behold' is the same as look'
So,
Look in Laguna says to Ellone
The answer is a gun?
Way to go HolyMackeral youve made it worse, it makes no sense whatsoever!
The answer is not a gun. Keep in mind that I only said maybe to number 2. Maybe as in almost but not really... :)
I knew it wasnt a gun, you said it wasnt an item, I was just thinking loud (well typing my thought process).
Im gonna go get some sleep then think on this in the morning.
You know the 'Lo and behold' line. Is there word play on the word 'behold'? Because to me it sounds like a cockney version of 'Low and be old'? Its probs wrong but it will eliminate it from my head.
There is word play in "Lo and behold" but not just that.
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"Give in for my age
in a word from the two first lines."
That's what you have now, think a little of the two last lines (especially the last). There is something in there you might not have thought of.
You mean 'LOL'. give him laughter to add to his life?? 'Lol" is the answere?
No :p
OMG, this one is very hard, I really adore you for coming with this riddle Rant.
I adore you for adoring me ;)
Er could you possibly give all the clues and hints in one post. Then we might be able to get somewhere. This is very hard but I am determined to get it correct
i just wrote the riddle down and i KNOW this will be wrong but has it got something to do with laguna saying something but without elle being there?
ps i know this is really confusing but it is the only thing i can think of so dont be too harsh :)
Actually he says the first line to Ellone when she's there. That fact is important to the riddle.
mobiletype, I gathered all hints that I didn't bother gathering before:
The riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."
Wrong guesses:
Raine
Squall
Edea
Dr. Odine
Time compression
Laguna card
Laguna's love for Ellone
The space station
Outer heaven
Junction machine Ellone
The player
Youth
Laguna deciding not to go looking for Ellone
Ultimecia's castle
Timber
White SeeD ship
"Loire"
The opening movie sequence
Iguion
Ellone's birth
Laguna's first sight of Ellone
Laguna's last sight of Ellone
A gun
Lol (lol)
Hints:
The answer is not a person.
A part of the riddle (not the answer) is a teeny bit related to time, but not in an obvious way.
The first part is a clue to find the answer, but you have to figure the first part out by figuring the second part out, which is referring to the first part.
Look for connections in the riddle.
The answer is not an obtainable item.
Question the riddle.
Think about every separate word, even some common words. Most of them are chosen for a reason.
Wikipedia, dictionary.com etc. wont help you much (if any) with this one riddle.
Do not try to find the answer in the riddle, in fact, forget about looking for the answer and try to figure out what's up with the riddle.
Word play
The second part is directed at the riddle solver.
The answer is not abstract (events, feelings etc.).
The two first lines are the last key to find the answer but for that to happen you must figure out the "secret" of the second part. It will lead you to the first part which, with the key found in the second part, gives you a good clue on how to find out the answer.
The second part is instructions for the first part.
The lines "in a previous world without Elle" have been figured out to mean simply "in a previous word" which refers to a specific word in one of the first two lines.
"If I were you" does not mean "If 'I' was 'U'".
"Age" relates to the fact that in the second line Laguna is "Ol'".
The first line, "Lo and behold" is very significant.
"Give in" does not mean the same as "give up" in this case.
"Lo and behold" is the strongest link to the answer and hence something you'll have to figure out later on.
"Give in for my age" is more word play.
The riddle contains no anagrams.
Question: When you give in for your age do you replace a word with the word in? - Answer: Almost, but not really.
Note the implication of Laguna's old age.
"Lo and behold" does not relate to the phrase "Low and be old".
There is something in the last two lines (especially the last) that you might not have thought of.
Laguna says the first line to Ellone when she's there. That fact is important to the riddle.
"In a previous world" is not to be replaced.
how do you make riddles like this?
By having a very twisted mind...and if you think HE'S bad, wait til you see Thingfish or Lenna.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakebyte91
Dunno :D
Lol yeah... I mean Thingfish's infamous riddle went for 30 pages I think O.oQuote:
Originally Posted by Lost Number
It went for its own thread, as well as a lot of the original. It took an immense amount of time to solve, and I salute the guy who got it. If I had joined earlier, I would have doen it myself.
come on pm me the asnswer:) plz?
do you replace "in a previous world" with a word from the first part?
Dont be stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakebyte91
i was having a joke mate if you cant handle it that is your own problem but i dont want to argue with you cos i want this thread to stay open.
I got the joke, I understood it, and im not arguing with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakebyte91
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakebyte91
i said it before and ill say it again noone will get this riddle.
you should be proud of it ;)
Thanks I guess, but of course I want it to be solved :)
It's not too far from being solved either.
The riddle:
"Lo and behold",
Ol' Laguna says to Ellone.
"If I were you,
I'd give in for my age
in a previous world,
without Elle."
You say that in a previous world is in reference to a previous word, without elle right? well what if it was "Lo and behold, ol' laguna says to one"
The Ell would then be removed to reveal one?
now im playing htat stupid game wit myself where u say things out loud ewnough times it turns into something else... and from the first line i got "alone and be old" ... so im going to say alone and old...if that means anything:S
No, "without Elle" is solely referring to removing the 'L' from 'world' to get 'word'. So "give in for my (Laguna's) age" is what you should do "in a previous word".Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenna
White shadow, that doesn't mean anything unfortunately :p
Is it something to do with Laguna Being 27yrs old?
No.
Hint: Why do you think Laguna is "Ol'" and not just simply "Old"?
Because it isnt 'his age'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantzien
I dont remember if you said this, but when you say in a previous word - is that the letters in word or something material inside that word when it is an object w/e (I think you know what I mean)
No, it's still word play. Word play will haunt you for the rest of your life after being through with this riddle. :radred:
Yes, it is his age.
A hole?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantzien