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I've been thinking--the summary for Arya's TWoW chapters is about her time as Mercy, but the woman in the novel is Lady Stork. And I realized why they changed her name to Lady Crane: some gormless Americans would hear the accent as "Lady Stark" and start theorizing that Catelyn wasn't really dead (lol) and was wearing a face, or she was actually Lyanna Stark, or some distant Stark cousin and that she sent Jaqen H'ghar to recruit her to Faceless Men. Something stupid. You just know it.
I mean, they didn't think audiences could handle Asha Greyjoy or Robert Arryn, so...
I'll give them Robert Arryn. Since we already have Robert Baratheon and Robb Stark. Although I guess they could have just called him Sweet Robert to differentiate.
Something the show didn't get right with Arya (in early seasons, I'm not even going to touch on the troutshow that was Arya in later seasons): I don't think they did a good job of showing her vulnerability. Yes, even from the get-go, she was tough and fierce. But most of it is pretend; she's just a little girl, often put in situations that terrifies her. There wasn't much character growth in the show vs. in the books. I like fear cuts deeper than swords Arya, and how much she's fighting.
They did it with Dany too, and Cersei. D&D are really troutty at writing female characters. The bad ass moments are more bad ass when you know much they're giving to be there. A [person] can only be brave when they're afraid.
I agree. Arya started off as one of the best characters, as when she's ducking her way through King's Landing she's scared out of her mind and she's pushing herself. And then when the Night's Watch recruits are attacked by Amory Lorch again she pushes herself to take charge and lead these scared boys as best she can.
Once they ran out of book material for her in the show I think they really struggled to know what to do with her and instead just use her as a killing tool for plot lines that were going nowhere. Oh hey we didn't finish off that Frey loose end as we have no Lady Stoneheart, make Arya do it. Oh, right, Littlefinger is still alive, let's, uh, have her sort him out too. Oh smurf it I don't really know what we're doing with this Night King trout, let's have Arya kill him. There's no challenge or growth or anything worthwhile to her in the last two seasons.
As always I think they tried to pander to the fans because "Oh yeah, they like Arya as she's a BADASS, let's make her a BADASS!" but like, even the casual fans of the show at my workplace had enough of her by the end. Although the casual fans at my work had also had enough of the show in general by the end, so.
The part where she's sneaking around the Red Keep, and she has to force herself to walk across the yard knowing she might be scene is pretty intense, honestly. But that's my point--she's a strong bad ass BECAUSE she's scared. Being fearless doesn't make someone cool; confronting your fears (in various ways) is what makes someone cool.
Book 1 Jon: "Only this time the dream had gone further than before. In the dark he'd heard the scrape of stone on stone. When he turned he saw that the vaults were opening, one after the other. As the dead kings came stumbling from their cold back graves, Jon had woken in pitch-dark, his heart hammering."
Season 8 Jon: "The crypts are the safest place in Winterfell."
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The whole series is kind of disappointing in retrospect, but I just him my first real disappointment wall:
The scene where Jon and Sam swear themselves to the Night's Watch, and Ghost finds the (then unknown to the Brothers) wight corpses. It's TERRIFYING. The Brothers are all unsettled, talk about how the corpses didn't used to have blue eyes...maybe? Animals won't even go near them. And while I don't think the AAAH ZOMBIE reveal is really a reveal, I do think this chapter is written in such a way to make you feel real dread, and it's a shame knowing that none of it smurfing means anything, ahahahahha.
smurf GRRM's a good writer tho
I cannot see the book storyline for the Others being the same as the show's. I've said it before in this thread, but I'm convinced the concept of killing a White Walker killing its wights and the character of the Night King were invented purely for the show. If you can kill the Others just by killing one dude, what made them leave thousands of years ago? Clearly not killing the NK! I do think the Wall is coming down, although not via Viserion - who I think Daenerys will lose to either Euron or Aegon.
I mean, they're still not going to win, but that victory will cost more than a Jorah and a Theon.
I agree that GRRM is excellent at writing horror though. The opening chapter is bonechillingly good. You feel hunted by this otherworldly presence, just the way they feel cold. I also like the idea of them having more intelligence than their mute show counterparts by having their language that "sounds like the cracking of ice" and mocking Waymar Royce.
Even the book has a better name for them. The Others is so much scarier than White Walkers.
You know, not that i'm an amazing writer, but now that i've finished a coherent novel myself that comes out to be 578 pages in paperback form in just about 6 weeks.... I'm really wondering wtf GRRM has been doing for the past few years. I mean 1500 pages, that'd be 18 weeks if I stayed at the same speed, which is really not even that fast. It's about 2000 words a day. But he pecks when he types doesn't he? And on an old school computer. So okay let's pad this out and give him double the time I would do it because of his slow typing and he's a bit more casual about writing. That's 36 weeks. So that's 9 months? That's still less than a year. Let's be like "okay he really has to edit as he goes cause it's just so incredibly massive and detailed of a story." Let's double it again. So 72 weeks. So that's still only 18 months. So a year and a half.Quote:
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And he's at what 7 years or so now? Like wtf are you doing man? Have you re-wrote the entire thing 5 times now?
I know he's said he's a "gardener" as an author. Where he just plants seeds and he just waters it as he goes to see what it turned into. To me that sounds like what writers call "pantsing", or writing by the seat of your pants, basically he's just making trout up as he goes. He may have a few plots and ideas he has that he wants to hit but he wanders a bit when he is actually writing. This explains a lot about the show. He probably gave them his ideas but with how he writes, it could be wildly different on how we get there.
I think he procrastinates with the world building things he's put out. He doesn't know where those random plots he started are going so he procrastinates with history. Which is also a big thing with authors lmao. Have you ever met someone who is "writing" a story and they can tell you all the backstory about the whole world but when you ask them about the actual book and if you can read it or where they're at, they go "uhhhhhh about... that"
He has definitely written himself into corners, especially because he's always coming up with new ideas, so he's bloating the trout out of the novels.
Also, the last book came out in 2010...so it's actually 9 years he's been at it. :)
I have nothing to base this on really, but I personally think he got burnt out by ASoIaF. I haven’t really researched his writing methods outside of the fact that he’s a gardener/pantser; so I suppose it could also just be a problem of chronic rewriting and never being satisfied with what he has, but I don’t think that would make it take 9 years for the book. I also feel that after writing so many books that if he were still into the series, he would get faster at writing each book of comparable length.
That’s not to say he doesn’t like his series. I think if he fully stopped liking the story, he’d just churn out an unsatisfying conclusion and be done with it. I just don’t think he enjoys actually writing it anymore which ruins the motivation for trying to keep all of the different threads straight and to find ways to write himself out of the corners he has created. I could be wrong though.
I bet the fandom of the show really hit him too. Because people are liking things that aren't exactly what he did or aren't exact. The crazy fervor probably helped burn him out.
And he has tons of people making comments about how he is going to die at any moment and we’re never getting the end. I’m sure that was all made worse by the shows popularity. If it were me, I’d just finish the story and then give instructions that it can’t be published until a year after my death or something just to spite people if I was getting annoyed by that every day.
I think he suffers from being a gardener because of the complexity of the story, having so many different strands and POV characters. It seems like it would be suited more to an architect. My impression is that the man is a perfectionist and rewrites a lot of his already completed manuscript pages.
He's actually told his wife to dispose of any of his unpublished works when he dies. That's why everyone's so afraid about him dying--he's already says he has no intention of having anyone else write the books if he passes.
That's probably true, Psy, and he's also really good at making different character voices sound distinct. I know people joke about his description of food items, but he actually really is a pretty decent writer.
I'm intrigued to see how the situation with Rickon plays out in the books. He's wild out of control, near feral - a far cry from the weak child that Ramsay dealt with in the show. I can't imagine his time on Skagos will have calmed him down any! I am looking forward to seeing Davos's adventures up there, something the show didn't cover.
Still, I suppose if the book's ending loosely follows the show's he'd have to die for Sansa to reign as QitN or Lady of Winterfell. But then Wyman Manderly is calling him his liege lord so who knows.
Maybe he'll smurf off north and live with Osha. She's basically raised him. By the time he's grown she'll be the only mom he knows.
Yeah I can see that happening. He's such, as psy put, a feral child, he's probably more keen to be a wildling than a lordling. He would smurf off to the north and abdicate things for sansaQuote:
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With that said, Rickon is also very family centred (although he is basically not much older than a toddler) in how he acts so I can't see him wanting to abandon them so easily.
I think A Clash of Kings Tyrion is my favourite character. So much of the book is dedicated to him and it's just a delight to see him playing and winning the game of thrones. He's challenged and tested to the peak of his abilities and he's actually winning. He's also incredibly smurfing ruthless and cold hearted at times too, and again it's easy as an audience to support him when it's people like Allar "Babykiller" Deem having their throats slit and thrown overboard. I can definitely see the seeds for dark Tyrion being planted here.
You see, it's there all along, throughout the entire book that everyone still smurfing despises him. Sure, they don't like Joffrey or Cersei a great deal either, but Tyrion is who the people really hate. And yet what he wants most of all is to be loved and despite his pragmatic and at times heroic defence of the city, it's so obvious he's going to be discarded like a used tissue. I find his S8 "oh no King's Landing burned this is a tragedy" stance untenable in the books.
I think he was still willing to work past their cruelty until the trial for Joffrey's murder. That's really when her turned. I don't think he'd have cared Dany burned them, either. Also, considering how in the books he hopes Dany will give him Cersei so he can rape her before killing her, I really don't think he would have gone to such great lengths to ensure the future of Cersei and her child. Or Jaime, while we're at it--this is a relationship I think is possible to be salvaged in the book, but Tyrion smurfing hates Jaime (and I don't blame him on this one, even as a Jaime stan).
Man you guys are making me want to read them again. I have so many books on my to read list though already.
I guess the whole of ASoS is the turning point really, but I think it's the way he sets out his stall in ACoK. He specifically states to Shae his intention is to do something nobody will expect: Justice. And in his mind he delivers this and gives everything he smurfing has to save the city. His wildlings smurf up Stannis's supply lines, his chain blocks the bay and his use of wildfire was exemplary. His realisation that Joffrey and the Hound nope-ing out of there would be huge blows to morale and so leading a sortie himself showed outstanding leadership.Quote:
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And then as he's lying there, recovering from being betrayed by his sister, everyone's view is "Oh, you want a medal? Piss off Imp" - while ozens of other people from both great and lesser houses are given Knighthoods, Lordships, lands and titles - I think that hurt him more than the trial did, Shae's betrayal aside. That and of course Jaime. I still think he has mixed feelings about Jaime.do it cravenQuote:
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Also, let's talk about Stannis. I've actually noticed a real more sentimental note to the man than I saw at first reading. I think he was affected by and envious of the relationship Ned and Robert had. Although he never said it directly, from the way he talks about what he went through in the rebellion, all he seemed to want was Robert's gratitude and respect. And to be fair, he did go through hell. The Siege of Storm's End sounds like actual hell on earth. For a teenager to lead his people through that is nothing short of extraordinary. I can see why he felt put out that it was Ned that Robert always turned to.
I also like how, despite the brutal way it ends between them and all the mocking/lecturing you see, both Stannis and Renly both clearly had affection for each other too. Stannis's bewilderment about the peach is oddly touching, as is Renly's insistence that Stannis (or his body) be treated well and not mutilated. It's such a difficult one to reconcile too, as to which one had the right of it. The two of them ruling together would've actually made for a great monarch!
I’ve finally started reading the books again. I’ve only read the prologue so far, but I see myself getting through a good chunk of the first book tonight.
YES, REREAD HYPE TRAIN
ONE OF US ONE OF US
but seriously isn't the prologue scary? That feeling of being somewhere so far from humanity, somewhere you're not meant to be, hunted by something other worldly. GRMM really nails that first chapter.
It's incredibly well-written, but as I said earlier, I prefer the chapter when Jon and Sam take their vows.
I had honestly forgotten how creepy that first chapter really was. I honestly can’t wait to read past where I left off the last time I tried to read the series. I’m excited to see all of the stuff I missed out from only really watching the show outside of the first book and part of the second.
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I honestly can’t remember where I left off since my memory keeps mixing with the show. I almost want to say that I got the the Battle of Blackwater bay but I don’t know for sure. I feel like I read where Tyrion got his nose chopped off, but I could have just read that as something that was different between the show and books. I’ll know for sure where I left off once I start reading that book.
I wish I could remember why I even stopped reading. I think I just didn’t own the second book until a while after I had read the first, and when I started reading it might have been when my living situation got annoying. I wish I had my kindle paperwhite back then.
Book!Robb is so much better than show!Robb. (Besides the smoking hot Richard Madden, ofc, there's a reason I'm a bannerman of Robb Stark Honour Posting in the great War of troutpost Groups currently going on on FB.)
In the books he's just so much less brash. Everything he does he considers carefully and constantly second guesses himself. Something was lost in translation too by how he's portrayed in the show--that is, you don't get to see that Catelyn actually is really smurfing smart, and conniving, and discerning. Motherly love wins out for her in the end, but she really was not a stupid character at all. Making Robb self-assured, stupid, reckless, made his clever moments feel a little less clever.
Also, the plot with Jeyne Westerling is SO much better than Talisa. Especially when it's likely that she was working for the Lannisters and there's possibility she drugged and raped Robb forcing his hand (a theory I've read in a couple places). I don't know. I appreciate the boy who's trying to do the right thing because he did the "wrong thing" (modern commentaries on sexuality aside) than the guy who just lets himself fall in love with this woman he doesn't know because???? reasons even though he knows he has a commitment to keep.
Agreed! Although Some of the artwork of book Robb with his long hair also looks pretty great.
Watching him step up and grow has been really good. Catelyn sets him on the path to being a good leader and he then walks it himself, it's excellent to see. Catelyn is definitely not an idiot and is wise counsel for Robb when he shows that vulnerability and uncertainty. Unlike many of the leaders in the series, he knows when to seek the wisdom of others but also when to challenge their views and have courage in their convictions.
I've just reached the Jeyne Westerling part. Bless her, she's so cute. God damn the hints about what's to come are really right there though. Tywin is so smurfing smug about it. Also wtf so Jeyne (and her hag of a mother) are descended from Maggy the Frog? As in the Valonqar Maggy the Frog? Jesus how had I never noticed that? I wonder if that's going to come into play later on, as she is still alive and I think Jaime meets her in Feast iirc.
I know it's silly to constantly be saying book!character is better than show!character, because that's almost always going to be the case, but I feel like book!Robb and show!Robb are just very different. I know part of that is because they wanted audiences to love him more and see him as a main character handsome savior to make the Red Wedding that much more impactful.
I'm actually curious if I'll get to a point where I prefer a show character to their book character*.
*outside of characters who were greatly expanded on, it's not fair to prefer show Pod, Bronn, Missandei when they're much bigger characters
I know it has already been said in here, but i always forget how young most of the characters are in the books.
I’ve ended up not having a ton of time for reading like I thought I would, so I’ve only really made it to the part where Jon is saying his goodbyes before leaving with Benjen for the Wall. I’m definitely seeing that most of the show characters feel like shadows of the book characters. Basically, everything Jinx has said about characters that I’ve read about so far, I agree with.
Just got to the point in the first book when Yoren rescues Arya.
Just wanna pour one out for ya boy. Baelor is one of the BEST episodes of the entire tv series. Ned seeing Arya, seeing Yoren and yelling "Baelor!" with only the hope he might hear him, might understand him. It's really a beautiful scene, and not at all surprising that GRRM wrote it--and it definitely has hints of the author going back and correcting his working 20 years later. And then Ned looking up moments before his death, hoping to see one last glimpse of his daughter, but she's not there. Is she gone? Was she hurt? Did Yoren find her? Is she safe? He'll never know.
BUT. Book!Yoren finds her without the help of Eddard Stark and saves her anyways, because it's the good and right thing to do. And Benjen is his brother, as much as Eddard Stark ever was, and Arya is his family because of that. You know.
For the record, I think that both mediums get it right, but tv definitely has the edge here. I just want to point out what a bad ass Yoren is.
"The gift of a sword, even a sword as fine as Longclaw did not make him Mormont. Nor was he Aemon Targaryen,"*
*Of course Lyanna wasn't stupid enough to give him the same name as his smurfing brother.
Jon confirmed Aemon Targaryen.
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I missed that one! God damn. Yes yes yes.
Also yeah, it took me by surprise that "Baelor!" didn't happen in the book. A very good addition.
That was me saying that Jon's Moonlight Ride is honestly just an exceptional chapter. Not a huge book!Jon fan, because the Wall and its story doesn't interest me too much, but chills dude.
Finally finished A Game of Thrones and I am very much currently Team Stark. Book Cat and Robb are just so good.
Goddamn Patchface is such a creepy smurfer, and the show was lesser for not having him in it. The twisted Tom Bombadil of ASoIaF.
Patchface is something else, yeah. I am enjoying how many people - House of the Undying, Patchface and the Ghost of High Heart - all straight up predict the Red Wedding but it still remained as a shock to me the first time I read it. Like, okay, this is all just weird creepy meaningless nonsense, whatever, let's move past it. And second time around you can see how it's all right there in front of you.
Dude! I know! I know! Oh, oh, oh!
The Battle for Castle Black is completely different but no less awesome and intense.
Also dude the Nightfort is smurfing spooky as hell. I forgot the talking door, Jesus.
Right, so I've still been a lazy reader (ADHD is so cool, guys). But. The poison used on Joffrey is the same poison used on Melisandre! The Purple Wedding wasn't hinted at, per se, but keen-eyed readers could have seen Joffrey's death coming with the headpiece Sansa was given.
Did Patchface predict the burning of the Sept of Barlow? It hasn’t happened yet, but I think most people are in agreement it will. He starts singing one of his songs about the colors of fire (green, blue, black) during the burning of the Seven on Dragonstone.
It's possible, although having looked through everything Patchface has said he's really only accurately predicted the Red Wedding. You can kind of read more into what he's saying if you want, but I also think a lot of what he says is utter nonsense.
I’m about 75% through A Clash of Kings now, and Ygritte has just been introduced. Reading this part was new to me, so I know for sure I’ve passed where I left off back when I tried to read before. I still don’t know where I left off last time as stuff that happens in the show is mixing with what im reading, making it familiar enough to be hard to pinpoint.
How are you enjoying it so far?
I'm in the home stretch of ADWD in my re-read through. I've gained new appreciation for characters not in the show like, well, basically everyone in smurfing Essos.
I’m enjoying it a good amount. It’s been a while since I’ve seen season 2 of the show, so I can’t remember we’ll enough to comment on the differences between the two. I can say that I still appreciate the characters more in the books since we get to see inside their heads more.
Yeah - for example I was very confused when Orrell died straight away (I can say this as you have just passed that point!) when I remember him so well as an angsty friend zone smurf in the show. Then Longspear Ryk was someone I had completely forgotten about and his existence was a pleasant surprise.
You have a real treat coming up at the end of the book. I really enjoyed book Blackwater. I must rewatch the episode to see how they compare.
I’m at the point now where Arya is escaping Harrenhal with Gendry and Hot Pie. I really enjoyed the Blackwater segments, but I’ve always preferred battle scenes to be limited to the eyes and mind of one character rather than more of a top-down all-seeing view of the battlefield. I like jumping between Tyrion, Davos, and Sansa. I also really enjoy reading about what’s going on with Dany much more than watching her segments in the show.
I should have this book finished by tomorrow if not tonight. I’m excited to see what lies ahead.
So I binge-watched GoT viewing it for the first time from 6 weeks ago. Best non-comedy series I've watched hands down, but the ending pissed me off. I was aware of the mixed to critical reception Season 8 got on social media but all I can say is the story arc for Daenarys didn't make any sense. Also, why you go and kill off my homeboy Varys like that? :cry:
I wish I would have just read these before watching the show at this point. I would’ve liked the fates of some of the characters to be a surprise. That’s my own fault though.
I’m on the third book now. I last read where Sansa has met Olenna Tyrell for the first time. I thought that was a fun sequence. Had I not seen the show, I would probably be right with Sansa trying to figure out what the Tyrell’s play here was. I liked Sansa’s struggle between wanting to say what a monster Joffrey is and not trusting these new people since her trust has failed her every time.
I kind of like how Robb’s stuff is all happening off screen and we just hear about it from the various sides discussing his battles. It kind of puts us in the shoes of the rest of his family, awaiting more news and hoping it isn’t bad. I wouldn’t have minded a chapter looking through Robb’s eyes and hearing his thoughts about his victories, but for the most part I like reading the skepticism and worry of his mother more.
The third book is arguably the best, although I think the next two are superb they're something of an acquired taste.
I would've liked to have seen the world through Robb's eyes and not just rely on Catelyn's interpretation too, and the show expanded him slightly and gave him more time on his own. Although if you think about it, we have no PoV for any of the five kings which I think was a deliberate choice - we judge the kings through the eyes of others.
I’ve now finished reading the chapter where Tyrion is told he will marry Sansa and Cersei is told she will have to remarry.
As much as I feel Sam is one of the weaker characters, I did enjoy his first POV chapter. The Others and the wights remain pretty creepy, and I do enjoy how unsettling it is to read of their sudden appearances. I also kind of liked the thoughts of Sam as they are fleeing back to the wall as he keeps saying he can’t go on while continuously taking one more step. It felt similar to when I read Stephen King’s The Long Walk as the character keeps walking despite the pain, wanting to stop and rest but knowing he’ll die if he does. That’s a short book, and I do recommend it to any looking for something new to read. I feel like it is one of his best works, and the similarity made the chapter more interesting to me.
Just finished the chapter where Rob and the rest are arriving for Edmure’s wedding. It’s somewhat stressful knowing what is about to happen and expecting it to happen at every Cat chapter.
Remember the game the Walders played? And how the word mayhaps means you don't have to follow an oath? Welp.Quote:
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Also shout out to Ryman Frey who says "If you would follow me, my father awaits". A reminder that his father is Stevron Frey and not Lord Walder Frey...
I knew there was something important from the game the Walders played, but I couldn’t remember what. You saved me from looking for that section again.
Just finished Joffrey’s death last night. All hail King Tommen.
Edit: I liked all the bits where Joffrey talks about Robert. You can tell in some ways he looked up to and respected the man he thought was his father at least in terms of the kind of king that Joffrey should be.
I also enjoy hearing Stannis refer to Robert. I may have mentioned it in this thread previously but I'm convinced the only reason he disliked Ned was because he was jealous.
Serious question:
I haven't really read much of 2 during this reread. But, those of you reading with fresh eyes/those of you who have read the series many times?
In AGoT Ned intends for someone he trust in his household to take Arya and Sansa to Dragonstone and only show the direwolf once they get in sight of the castle. Knowing how Stannis is, do you think he would have listened to Ned (or his friend, by proxy), protected his children, and ultimately allied with him?
I really do think he would. Stannis isn't a warm man, and he didn't love Ned, but Ned was willing to recognize his claim. Stannis (at least so far) isn't cruel for the sake of cruelty, and I don't think (at this point in the series) he would have hurt Arya or Sansa. If Ned has defied Stannis, however, I can see him meting out justice to them on Ned's behalf.
Yep, Stannis and Ned would definitely have been allies. Given how desperate Stannis is to become bffs with Jon when they meet I kind of think he wants his own Ned and would've been thrilled to have the OG... though he never would have said so.
At the very least, it would have given a lot of credibility to his claim vis a vis Joffrey being a bastard. Most people respected Ned Stark, even the ones who didn't like him. Strictly for a strategic standpoint, Ned would have been an extremely powerful ally.
I really liked any of Stannis’ references to his brothers. I feel like all 3 Baratheons ruling together would have made for a different and better kingdom.
Either way, I agree that Stannis and Ned would have been allies. Really, all Stannis seems to want is to be recognized and acknowledged. He’s jealous of the relationship Ned had with Robert, and that seems to be his only issue with Ned.
I also don’t think that (without Melisandre’s influence) Stannis would harm Ned’s children even if Ned was against Stannis after the children would be there. He cares about justice and the letter of the law, but I think he seems very fair. Stark children might become hostages at worst, but I don’t see Stannis punishing them for the slights of their father.
I’ve now started A Feast for Crows. I’ve only read the prologue and the first chapter with The Prophet, but I’m enjoying it so far. I’m a bit fuzzy on what happens from this point on from the show for whatever reason, but I’m sure as I get into it I’ll still not be surprised by too much.
A Storm of Swords is probably my favorite so far. It had a lot more of the big moments and deaths than I thought it would going in. It also reminded me of Lady Stoneheart, and I’m pretty interested in finally learning more about that situation.
Did you spot the return of Jaqen H'Ghar in the Feast for Crows prologue?
I didn’t think about it when and read it last night, but i was thinking that had to be him today at work.
Is also like to say that thanks to the filters on this forum, my brain always “corrects” the word trout every time I read it in these books.
A wolf with a trout in its mouth? That would be silly!Quote:
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I’m now on A Dance with Dragons. I did enjoy A Feast for Crows a good amount. Soon I’ll be with everyone else waiting for the rest of the series that may never happen.
Feast is always controversial - people either love it or hate it! Dance is a great book too. A lot of people hate the Daenerys chapters and I have to admit, the first time around I did too but having read through them again I enjoyed them a lot more.
A Feast for Crows definitely has a different feel to it a lot of the time, but i liked it a lot. So far I’m liking Dance with Dragons a little less, but it’s still enjoyable.
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I heard A Feast for Crows is basically just a filler book and was told to skip it altogether.
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if they'd actually included that in the show it would've redeemed S6-8 and don't pretend like you wouldn't love to see your girl emilia acting that outYou heard wrong. Also, as an Arya fan you can find out why the show version is a terrible and one dimensional and the book character is actually good and interesting.Quote:
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I guess I it’s only filler insomuch as which characters you care about. Feast and Dance cover roughly the same time period, but one book focuses more on the south, and the other book focuses more on the North and Danaerys. I guess Feast doesn’t have all the bombshells like the book before either.
I've been meaning to ask Jinx something.
(SPOILER)How did you feel when Arya killed Littlefinger? :smug:
Bored.
Ever since we got our puppy, my reading has slowed down a lot. She wakes up super early, and I find myself struggling to stay awake as I read. So for a while, I can generally just get a chapter a day.
Anyways, I’m a little over halfway through A Dance With Dragons. I will say that it’s not holding my attention as well as the other books, but I am enjoying seeing a lot of the differences from the show.
I’ve now finished A Dance with Dragons, and I’m finally with everyone else in waiting for the rest of the series to come out.
I think I just don’t really care that much about most of the Meereen stuff until the end. I still enjoyed reading the book, but I think it is my least favorite of the bunch. Normally the books that are mostly setting things up for the endgame don’t bother me, so I can’t fully put my finger on what fully bothers me. It’s probably just because I usually read a series after all books are already out, so I usually don’t have to wait for the payoff.
Glad you finished it and relatively enjoyed it!
I think most people hate Meereen. This essay series gave me a new perspective on it and might be worth your time having a read: https://meereeneseblot.wordpress.com...d-the-locusts/
Basically from the pit onward is where I’m more okay with the Meereen plot line. I pretty much already thought about and agreed with the stuff in that article as I was reading. The Shavepate is who I pretty much think did the poisoning. I’d also like to note just how much Barristan says he isn’t interested in nor does he have the ability to play the game of thrones. He also mentions how those of the Kingsguard who have involved themselves in the game are only met with misfortune if I remember correctly. Either way, I feel he’d be easy to manipulate in this scenario where he is feeling completely lost.
My main problem is that I don’t really care for the characters in Meereen, nor do I really care for the politics there. That’s not to say I won’t grow to like the plot line, but currently it was more setting things up to the more interesting events that I’m sure will happen in Winds of Winter.
The shame about them rushing through the series was to set themselves up for future things, like the next star wars. But due to the backlash they got for rushing the ending, they were dropped from those future projects.
The delicious karma.
Game of Thrones more like Game of Groans amirite.
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House of the Dragon will start filming next year.
Saw that the cast has just added Matt Smith, Olivia Cooke, and Emma D'arcy.
Are you looking forward to this show, or are you still sour from the final Game of Thrones season?
I know there was another spinoff show starring Naomi Watts that got to the point where they shot the pilot, but it was cancelled. Hope that doesn't happen to this one.
I read that one of the reasons House of the Dragon was picked up instead of the other one was because it's based on Fire & Blood, and they decided to go with the show based on a book so they could have a road map.
Imagine that.
Targaryens are the least interesting part of a series that absolutely botched itself. If this show gets more than one season, I’ll eat a sock. Pass.
I'm surprised they're pushing ahead given how much GoT has just fallen off the popular radar
I dunno, it can still redeem itself, I think. The last season was only bad because it was rushed--the worldbuilding itself was still fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shauna
Fire and Blood rules, so I'm very interested to see them get back on track now that they have a text to build off of again.
I got chills watching this. The next two weeks are gonna suck in anticipation
what happens in two weeks?
i still havent' finished this show, just stopped halfwya in the last season, cba
I think it's just a bot saying hello :sebastian:Quote:
Originally Posted by krissy
but winter is over!!
hbo did announce like 3 or 4 new got spinoffs so
Guess what? This thread aint dead. Have some new content!
I've literally been sharing GoT teasers and info with you for over a decade now. You're welcome, EoFF.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...ff-1235167415/
Jon Snow series reportedly in the works.
Get ready to continue to know nothing.
Not sure how I feel about that. A part of me is intrigued, but I think a larger part of me is still trying to permanently erase the huge bag they fumbled from my memory. I can't get past the idea that they wouldn't just have Arya show up out of nowhere to kill whoever Jon's new nemesis is!
Yeah, they've very much poisoned the well by demonstrating total mismanagement of 4/8 seasons of GoT.
It's hilarious how little the public eye is focussed on any other GoT-related trout due to how bad it ended.
"It was me, Arya Stark, aaaaaaaaaaall along!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychotic
kudos to anyone who gets that reference
So, they straight up did this with Lyanna Mormont, and I demand writer's credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Pint of Quinness
Loved the first episode of Hot D.
It feels nice to have people in a joyful spirit about Game of Thrones again.
Wow! Two episodes in and this series already has 264 pages. ;)
I enjoyed the first two eps, yeah =]