English Football Thread! 2006-2007 Season

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

Fact: Arsenal, based on their successes in European competition over recent years, are ranked higher than Chelsea.

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the rankings system is a bit mad its like the world cup rankings how can Chelsea not be seeded when we are champions of England for the second year in a row and some lesser teams in less competitive leagues are?

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Because it's not ranking English teams, it's ranking European teams. In other words, it doesn't matter how well you do in your own league, it matters how well you do in European games. Chelsea, quite simply, have not got a reputation prior to this year for going far in European games. They'll get that in time, probably, but at the moment, no.

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

Fact: Arsenal, based on their successes in European competition over recent years, are ranked higher than Chelsea.

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the rankings system is a bit mad its like the world cup rankings how can Chelsea not be seeded when we are champions of England for the second year in a row and some lesser teams in less competitive leagues are?

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Because it's not ranking English teams, it's ranking European teams. In other words, it doesn't matter how well you do in your own league, it matters how well you do in European games. Chelsea, quite simply, have not got a reputation prior to this year for going far in European games. They'll get that in time, probably, but at the moment, no.

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Agree...the ranking of European Cup is base on how well you did in the competition and how far you've gone from group to knockout stages...For the last 10 years or so...Sometimes...Chealsea can't even make it to the European Cup Competition...that's why...Chealsea isn't seeded.

but apart from last year you have got knocked out every year in the champions league group stages Chelsea have got to 2 semi finals and a quarter final.

Yeah. Boy, those three years. What a history.

Chelsea would of been the first team in England to qualify for the European Cup if it wasnt for the Fa, when Chelsea won the league in 1955 we was invited to join the European cup the Fa didnt let us! the next year Man United won the league and joined.

How many times did you win the league between 1955 and 2004?

Regardless, again, only European fixtures in the past ten years count towards seeding. So stop complaining.

EDIT: Quick checks tell me that the FA didn't refuse Chelsea access to UEFA - Chelsea themselves refused. "Bullied" or not.

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

How many times did you win the league between 1955 and 2004?

Regardless, again, only European fixtures in the past ten years count towards seeding. So stop complaining.

EDIT: Quick checks tell me that the FA didn't refuse Chelsea access to UEFA - Chelsea themselves refused. "Bullied" or not.

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What I mean is how can sides from smaller leagues be seeded and not the champions of England it doesn’t make any sense but If we keep getting to quarter finals and semi finals it wont be long till we are seeded I don’t think it makes a huge difference anyway

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

What I mean is how can sides from smaller leagues be seeded and not the champions of England

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If they do better in European games over the past ten years then that's how.

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it doesn’t make any sense but If we keep getting to quarter finals and semi finals it wont be long till we are seeded I don’t think it makes a huge difference anyway

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That much is certainly true.

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

but apart from last year you have got knocked out every year in the champions league group stages Chelsea have got to 2 semi finals and a quarter final.

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Isn't BoB a Man U supporter?

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

How many times did you win the league between 1955 and 2004?

Regardless, again, only European fixtures in the past ten years count towards seeding. So stop complaining.

EDIT: Quick checks tell me that the FA didn't refuse Chelsea access to UEFA - Chelsea themselves refused. "Bullied" or not.

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Chelsea won the Cup Winners in 1998, that's more European honours than Arsenal in the last 10 years, add that to better performances European Cup wise prior to last year and they should have been ranked higher

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

What I mean is how can sides from smaller leagues be seeded and not the champions of England it doesn’t make any sense but If we keep getting to quarter finals and semi finals it wont be long till we are seeded I don’t think it makes a huge difference anyway

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Finally a little bit of justice!

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Originally Posted by Bart's Friend Milhouse

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

but apart from last year you have got knocked out every year in the champions league group stages Chelsea have got to 2 semi finals and a quarter final.

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Isn't BoB a Man U supporter?

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Yup.

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

How many times did you win the league between 1955 and 2004?

Regardless, again, only European fixtures in the past ten years count towards seeding. So stop complaining.

EDIT: Quick checks tell me that the FA didn't refuse Chelsea access to UEFA - Chelsea themselves refused. "Bullied" or not.

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Chelsea won the Cup Winners in 1998, that's more European honours than Arsenal in the last 10 years, add that to better performances European Cup wise prior to last year and they should have been ranked higher

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Obviously on whatever system UEFA use, they haven't outdone Arsenal on average. Maybe over the ten years Chelsea have won once and got to two quarter finals and a semi final (or something), but obviously in the other years they didn't do so well. Either way, there is some set-in-stone system they use to rank them and Chelsea didn't get there.

It's a pretty useless debate anyway, you must admit. If Chelsea beat Barcelona, should they really be scared of anyone else?

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

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Originally Posted by Bart's Friend Milhouse

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Originally Posted by chrisfffan

but apart from last year you have got knocked out every year in the champions league group stages Chelsea have got to 2 semi finals and a quarter final.

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Isn't BoB a Man U supporter?

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Yup.

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

How many times did you win the league between 1955 and 2004?

Regardless, again, only European fixtures in the past ten years count towards seeding. So stop complaining.

EDIT: Quick checks tell me that the FA didn't refuse Chelsea access to UEFA - Chelsea themselves refused. "Bullied" or not.

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Chelsea won the Cup Winners in 1998, that's more European honours than Arsenal in the last 10 years, add that to better performances European Cup wise prior to last year and they should have been ranked higher

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Obviously on whatever system UEFA use, they haven't outdone Arsenal on average. Maybe over the ten years Chelsea have won once and got to two quarter finals and a semi final (or something), but obviously in the other years they didn't do so well. Either way, there is some set-in-stone system they use to rank them and Chelsea didn't get there.

It's a pretty useless debate anyway, you must admit. If Chelsea beat Barcelona, should they really be scared of anyone else?

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sorry to insult you bob i didnt know u was a man u fan ha ha

I just want to acknowledge that Swansea unleashed total pwnage upon Sheffield today. Premiership clubs are easy money for the might of Tom Butler and Leon Britton! Away too!

Lee Trundle didn't score so who cares.

Also, Arsenal can never, ever, whine about teams sitting behind the ball and defending for 90 minutes ever again. Hypocrites. :p Full credit to my fellow Liverpool fans for today though. Absolutely incredible atmosphere. Full credit also goes to Dirk Kuyt, best player on the pitch and I love him in naughty ways. Full credit also goes to Wenger for his tactics, even if it does make him a hypocrite it was a good result. It's annoying that we lost to that lot again, though, 'cause at the moment, Liverpool are least the equal of, if not ever so slightly better than Arsenal in my (and the league table's :D) opinion. But eh, that's the way cups go I guess. Hopefully we can even things out in the Carling Cup and in the Anfield league game, and hopefully Arsenal will come out and play like we all know they can.

George Graham, I missed you.

Arsenal 6 - 3 Liverpool. Eeeee!

*cue mocking Paul*

Yes. I mock you, Paul. I mock you most severely. :cool: