Most hated Final Fantasy Villian

Originality is a terrible way to rate FF villains. Every single one of them is based on existing archetypes that have been around for years. Power levels, too, is a terrible way to rate villains. A villain only needs enough power to be a threat to the protagonists. Hannibal Lecter can't cause anywhere near the amount of shear destruction as say Majin Buu, but I seriously doubt that anyone would say Buu is a superior villain. The success of a villain should be based primarily on how well they antagonize the protagonists, how well developed their character is and how well they are integrated into the plot.

Just thought I should make that point, since I've seen a lot of these sorts of discussions devolve into 'X is more powerful then Y' or 'Y is more original than Z' on various other forums, which to me seems like a waste of everyone's time.

Vayne Solidor....is the single worst villian in FF.
To me he is ultimatly boring. He never does anything, you just get a load of aiships chasing you ny time you get anywhere near Nethicite. I think so far ive only seen him once and that was (SPOILER) when he became leader of some place, cant remember the name, possibly dalmasca? and im up to Giruvigen.

He is pointless. he does nothing. I bet hes gonna be one of these bosses to randomly appear at the end spouting his mouth off at me.

I thought Seymour was a pretty good villian personally. he was deranged, i like that in my villians!

Sephy....this arguement is gonna go on forever, i personally like him. he was effective, Squareenix needed a villain, they got one, he worked.
Dont believe hes the greatest think since sliced bread though!

Seymore, everytime I play FFX I grit my teeth and drag myself through the parts he's in. Just dont like him, looks annoying, talks annoying and I had no interest in him. Would love to tell him to knock it on the head.

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Originally Posted by xXsarahXx

Vayne Solidor....is the single worst villian in FF.
To me he is ultimatly boring. He never does anything, you just get a load of aiships chasing you ny time you get anywhere near Nethicite. I think so far ive only seen him once and that was (SPOILER) when he became leader of some place, cant remember the name, possibly dalmasca? and im up to Giruvigen.

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Did you actually pay attention to the story? Vayne is behind probably everything in XII. The reason Dalmasca was invaded, because of Vayne who did it for Cid's research and for his own reasons as well, I guess. Because of Vayne (and Cid) Nabudis was blown up. Vayne killed his own brothers (and his father). He has the death of many on his name and in the end of the game even more, you'll see. He does far from nothing.

And you see Vayne in the beginning, with Reks, in his speech with Dalmasca, after Ashe is arrested, in the introduction of Doctor Cid, when Gramis is killed. That's more than one time, no?

I know XII's story is love or hate, but pay a bit of attention even when you're bored, kay? And when you fight him he's not some random badguy who showed up to throw speech at you.

And technically, I wouldn't call Vayne a villain, for some part of his ambition can be called somewhat noble... ^^"

Gah, forgot to vote for Seymour. D'oh.

Why all the Sephy hate? He wasn't the most supah duper fabbylicious villain but he wasn't awful.

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Originally Posted by Elpizo

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Originally Posted by xXsarahXx

Vayne Solidor....is the single worst villian in FF.
To me he is ultimatly boring. He never does anything, you just get a load of aiships chasing you ny time you get anywhere near Nethicite. I think so far ive only seen him once and that was (SPOILER) when he became leader of some place, cant remember the name, possibly dalmasca? and im up to Giruvigen.

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Did you actually pay attention to the story? Vayne is behind probably everything in XII. The reason Dalmasca was invaded, because of Vayne who did it for Cid's research and for his own reasons as well, I guess. Because of Vayne (and Cid) Nabudis was blown up. Vayne killed his own brothers (and his father). He has the death of many on his name and in the end of the game even more, you'll see. He does far from nothing.

And you see Vayne in the beginning, with Reks, in his speech with Dalmasca, after Ashe is arrested, in the introduction of Doctor Cid, when Gramis is killed. That's more than one time, no?

I know XII's story is love or hate, but pay a bit of attention even when you're bored, kay? And when you fight him he's not some random badguy who showed up to throw speech at you.

And technically, I wouldn't call Vayne a villain, for some part of his ambition can be called somewhat noble... ^^"

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I was gonna say, i thought Vayne was a real good villain too. The dude was a straight up military genius, and every action, during his whole rise to power throughout the game is no less than Machiavellian (word?). Plus he has such a crazy line for one of his special moves - "What am I to do with those who would oppose me???" Alright not that crazy, but in the context it is.

Unrelated: does anyone think Gramis allowed Vayne to kill him (if that's even what happened), to allow him to disband the senate and assume autocratic powers??? I don't know, I think a thread is in order....

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

Unrelated: does anyone think Gramis allowed Vayne to kill him (if that's even what happened), to allow him to disband the senate and assume autocratic powers??? I don't know, I think a thread is in order....

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Why yes, I was always under that impression as well...

Vayne had a lot of cool lines during his special moves (which were all cool as well). Tree of Sephira takes the cake, though.

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Originally Posted by Elpizo

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

Unrelated: does anyone think Gramis allowed Vayne to kill him (if that's even what happened), to allow him to disband the senate and assume autocratic powers??? I don't know, I think a thread is in order....

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Why yes, I was always under that impression as well...

Vayne had a lot of cool lines during his special moves (which were all cool as well). Tree of Sephira takes the cake, though.

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it's so crazy because it's never blatantly stated exactly what happened. for all we know, the senate REALLY DID poison him, there's just no evidence either way. XII really was a great game.

Wow... I ignore this thread for awhile and it's already blown out to near fist fights again...

Thanks for noticing the humor Bolivar. I was starting to get a little out of hand their;)

As for the assasination of Gramis. I agree that the emperoralways gave me the impression he let Vayne get away with it. The whole scenario is really up to specualtion...

You really should create a thread in the XII forums for it though;)

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Originally Posted by xXsarahXx

Vayne Solidor....is the single worst villian in FF.
To me he is ultimatly boring. He never does anything, you just get a load of aiships chasing you ny time you get anywhere near Nethicite. I think so far ive only seen him once and that was (SPOILER) when he became leader of some place, cant remember the name, possibly dalmasca? and im up to Giruvigen.

He is pointless. he does nothing. I bet hes gonna be one of these bosses to randomly appear at the end spouting his mouth off at me.

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:thumb: I thought he was really boring as well, don't get me wrong he was an ok villain but was he really all that great? Look at the rest of the famous villains! They all were powerful and magical and just really mean, Vayne...well he's mean but he didn't do anything big like the other villains. Look at Sephiroth, I hate the guy but he's really powerful. He killed so many people. Look at Seymour, he was dead! (Awesome!) He killed almost all the ronso, you had to fight him like 3 or 4 times. (I forgot) My point is Vayne isn't as great as the other villains.

The best villain is Sephiroth, that is all I am going to say :cool:

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Originally Posted by Comet

The best villain is Sephiroth, that is all I am going to say :cool:

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You love that guy too much.

It has to be Garland/Chaos from FF1, come on, you don't see him but only two times. The start then the end. How enigmatic...:rolleyes2

To me, the worst is Zemus. It's hard to feel anything about a character that appear for a few seconds in the end of the game, fight you, and die. And he don't have the excuse of "possesing Golbez's body" like with Ultimecia/Edea. He never was present in the story, it was all Golbez with an "evil personality" if you understand what I mean.

Other villains like Zemus are Yu Yevon and Necron(he is the worst).

I prefer villains that are following the game with you.

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Originally Posted by The Crystal

To me, the worst is Zemus. It's hard to feel anything about a character that appear for a few seconds in the end of the game, fight you, and die. And he don't have the excuse of "possesing Golbez's body" like with Ultimecia/Edea. He never was present in the story, it was all Golbez with an "evil personality" if you understand what I mean.

Other villains like Zemus are Yu Yevon and Necron(he is the worst).

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Zemus isn't the only one though, and Necron is a brief "FF-throwback" at the end.

Most FF main-villains remain unseen until the end of the game, but they are directly controlling all the events that take place throughout the course of the game. Chaos, Ultimecia, Xande and Sephiroth also fall under this category, I would put Yu Yevon in there also, as he is the actual villain, the rest are to tie up the loose ends of the story. To me that's just the style FF assumes in many cases, so I wouldn't call Zemus the worst for that reason.