Uh, no. Many people who hate FFVIII have reasons, like I do. Most of mine stem toward Ultimecia, lack of character development in people not named Squall or Rinoa, and a forced, overrated, crap, love story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperion4444
Uh, no. Many people who hate FFVIII have reasons, like I do. Most of mine stem toward Ultimecia, lack of character development in people not named Squall or Rinoa, and a forced, overrated, crap, love story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperion4444
Personally I think that's quite a good reason to hate something, especially when you were never particularly interested in the first place: Just mention football in front of me and I either switch off or yell at you. As for FF7, I played it when I was at a friend's house, he'd had to go out of the room for a while and I had nothing better to do (originally I was a bit tired of hearing about it myself). Damn his extervention (is that even a word?) getting me hooked!Quote:
Originally Posted by Levian
And it has probably the second worst plot twist ever (begins with "o" and ends in "rphanage"); first place was snatched away by the "4D-space" phenomenon in Star Ocean 3, though again I actually liked FF8:Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboko
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Originally Posted by Me, some time ago
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What were you saying about it not being good?
It's the best love story ever, may not be enjoyable to anyone heartless.
It's only envy from people like you who can't accept there was a better Final Fantasy out there. And FFVII was still good.
But, like you people said, this is the reason why FFVIII gets the point.
I actually like FFVIII, but even I'm not ignorant to it's problems. I'm not going to rehash the discussion on how broken the junction system is since we covered that earlier in the thread. But I will say that it does not have the best love story ever. The most non-sensical one perhaps. Squall spent most of the game not caring about anyone including Rinoa. Then out of nowhere he apparently loves her. His character and attitude changed drastically for no real reason whatsoever. You want a good FF love story then play FFX. At least Tidus and Yuna's relationship developed naturally into love over the course of the game. It never felt forced to me like in FFVIII. Or even look at FFVI and the relationship between Locke and Celes for another good example. Toss in the plot twists that make no logical sense as ReloadPsi mentioned and you've got a story that's better suited to an RPG made ten years prior FFVIII's release when these absurdities would have been more acceptable. It certainly wasn't a huge step forward for the series. It may have started strong, but the writers dropped the ball by the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperion4444
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I can understand someone disliking FFVIII for the game mechanics. We discussed it earlier in this thread and I think you definately proved your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22I actually like FFVIII, but even I'm not ignorant to it's problems. I'm not going to rehash the discussion on how broken the junction system is since we covered that earlier in the thread. But I will say that it does not have the best love story ever. The most non-sensical one perhaps. Squall spent most of the game not caring about anyone including Rinoa. Then out of nowhere he apparently loves her. His character and attitude changed drastically for no real reason whatsoever. You want a good FF love story then play FFX. At least Tidus and Yuna's relationship developed naturally into love over the course of the game. It never felt forced to me like in FFVIII. Or even look at FFVI and the relationship between Locke and Celes for another good example. Toss in the plot twists that make no logical sense as ReloadPsi mentioned and you've got a story that's better suited to an RPG made ten years prior FFVIII's release when these absurdities would have been more acceptable. It certainly wasn't a huge step forward for the series. It may have started strong, but the writers dropped the ball by the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperion4444
But I have to honestly say, that when peopel criticize the storylines in newer FF games it relies purely on nitpicking which then gets exaggerated.
I don't want to sound undermining, but I think some of you need to grow up and experience the real world before you call the love story "non-sensical". In real life there's plenty of examples everywhere you turn with people giving their emotions to someone who doesn't care about them. I've seen plenty of times when girls or even guys fall for the person who treats them badly, in the worst cases with significant others who are flat out cruel to them. This happens all the time. I felt VIII's love story was a little more complicated than your traditional, stereotypical, cliches video game love story and it added a level of reality to it.
You could look at the first 6 installments and say that they barely have character development at all, villains who are almost completely irrelevant to the plot, and hardly any plot to begin with.
OR you could play these games for what they are and enjoy them, like my man WK said earlier in this thread. I swear internet forums are dominated, or at least infested, by a group of gamers who went through the newer FFs restlessly searching for reasons to hate them. All of the games in the series are great, especially for their respective times, so please, as gamers, as a community, we need to stop the hate.
I didn't say it made no sense for Rinoa to care about Squall. People can be attracted to others for the strangest of reasons (lord knows I've seen far more messed up crap with some of my friends than that), so her liking someone who was rude, indifferent, and never showed any feelings towards her is something I'm more than willing to accept. Squall's sudden shift in character though is something else. It's not like he accepted her affection because it was convenient and continued treating her the way he did. He had a massive shift in his attitude and behaviour towards her for no other reason than the writers decided they should be together. It didn't fit his character, and it never sat well with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
No character development? Have you even played FFVI. There isn't may not be as much dialogue there as in future titles do to hardware limitations, but the character growth that's there is something that even most modern RPG's don't match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
At what point did I say I hate FFVIII, or any of the newer FF's for that matter (FFIX happens to be my second favourite in the series, and I feel FFX has some of the best gameplay and character development of any RPG I've ever played as well)? You see people pick apart the things they don't like about a game and assume that means they hate it. On the contrary; I love FFVIII. I just hate people who try to gloss over it's flaws and claim it's flawless. The same goes for any game for that matter. Even with FFVI, which is my favourite title in the series, I'm more than willing to admit that the game was far too easy, and there wasn't as much variation between the characters as I'd like. In the end though, it's still enjoyable to play and the story and characters more than make up for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolivar
I can say a game is not good no matter what the sales are, and calling it the best love story ever is pure opinion. In the words of my geometry teacher "You need to back up something, you don't just go in a court room and say your client is innocent because without having something after the because." You can't give me any reason that will convince me FFVIII had the best love story ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperion4444
And its not envy that makes me dislike FFVIII, I dislike it, I didn't have fun and I disliked the story, and its just your stubbornness that makes it so you cannot accept it.
It's all about taste.
Everyone is different.
As for your 'broken junction system', I wouldn't say broken, but it does lack of options.
-Forced to junction GF to use Magic/Draw/Item, who came up with that?
-GF not providing Enougth Summon Power later in the game.
-Magic not using MP
-Force to Junction Magic to get much stronger.
-Enemies Level Up as you do EVERYWHERE "with Limitations to Bosses?"
Yeah, I know, believe me, And I've came up with a file how to make FFVIII Better.
Starting by Boosting their growth Stats, lowering a bit the junction magic effect.
This game's so easy to Masterise the stats.
But even different, I still like this game.
*ignores FFVIII wank-fest*
Most unreasonably disliked..? I'd say a tossup between II and IX. With II it's people calling the story/graphics/characters weak (ignoring the fact that it was made around 20 years ago), complaining endlessly about how horrible the levelling system is, or whining about how hard it is to play a game that doesn't hold your hand. :rolleyes2
With IX it's "it's childish"-based on glancing at the graphics, "It's not like the previous two"-do I even need to touch this?, or "OMG, Kuja is so gay cuz he looks like a girl!". :mad:
Final Fantasy VIII isnt unreasonably disliked.
Its reasonably disliked.
(Even though I dont dislike it overall, a good portion of the story was a flop. It was also too easy. I never died.)
How could you leave X-2 off the list? It has quite possibly the best battle system in the history of the series, and people don't like it because it's...too girly, or something?
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Hey I said I was sorry... I didn't actually mean to forget. Though honestly, I was never too wild about it's battle system, but this appears to be an opinion I share alone:cry:
It's a natural progression of the job system of FFV and FFT, which is a huge plus in it's favor. Although I like the FFT version the best, even it doesn't have the option of changing jobs in mid-battle.
As for not being liked the list of charges against FFX-2 are pretty extensive:
1) Overly focused on female characters, ie 'girly'.
2) Dressphere concept inspired by dress-up dolls.
3) Costumes are skimpy to interest male gamers.
4) Annoying/uninspired music.
5) Incoherent storyline.
6) Focuses too much on sidequests.
7) Recurring characters violate their natures as established in FFX.
8) Ripoff of Charlie's Angels.
I agree the most with 7), although it's ironic that had it been a stand-alone game it would have been better but also would have gone unmade.
Actually, I would say it's a de-evolution of the FFIII battle system and the FFVI relic system. My main gripe is that this could have been streamlined for less tedious battle system. Nothing slows down the action like wasting two rounds trying to transform Yuna into a white mage or even worse, having to transform into every dressphere on your dress link in order to cast high level spells like Flare and Ultima.
The inability to have subclasses except through items was interesting but a majority of the items are worthless and lack any real strategy involved (the fire ring allows me to cast Fire and nothing else? WTF?!). It wasn't a bad system, but for a system that was boasted to put the "actve" back in active time battle, it made you do alot of tedious things to get lackluster results. I don't hate the system, and I agree with most that it was one of the better elements in the game. I just don't agree with those who claim it's one of the best systems in the series.
Personally, if Yuna wasn't such a boring lackluster character, I would have liked X-2 better. My real beef with the game is point number 7 on BG-57's list. I also don't care for how it really screws up the few good elements of FFX that I liked.
Oddly enough, I agree with most of you that it does get bashed more than it really deserves. I seriously doubt a Miami Vice rip-off sequel of FFIV starring Cecil and Kain would go down well with most fans;)