I dislike vegetarianism. I prefer to eat different types of meat and fish because I hate fruits and vegetables.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
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I dislike vegetarianism. I prefer to eat different types of meat and fish because I hate fruits and vegetables.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
Did you see my thoughts about why eating plants and crops is inherently harmful to animals? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Pureghetto
Eh, it's your choice.
I really never got this argument. Why the hell do I care what YOU eat?
I have been meat-free for almost three years and a vegan for almost a year. I am healthier then I have ever been in my life.
In my opinion, veganism is the next step of the ethical evolution of human beings on this planet. It is plain and simple that the domestication of animals is just as morally apprehensible as slavery, rape, sexism, genocide and racism. Animal agriculture is polluting the planet, contributing to the hunger crisis, and encourages a growing disparage between the upper and lower classes.
Just another biological note, plants do not have nerve endings or a central nervous system, and therefore lack any ability to think or feel pain. Animals on the other hand possess nerve endings, a central nervous system, and the ability to 'will.'
As for the sentience argument, it is a slippery slope. If it is all right to enslave, torture, and treat another being as property, because we can dominate it, this can easily justify many atrocities we have committed between human beings. Infanticide is considered morally abhorrent in most cultures, yet a baby is not sentient, it is easy to dominate, and it is a parasite. Most consider the notion of 'putting to sleep' a person of low intelligence wrong, but this action would be no different then the slaughter of the common pig or even chicken.
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Isn't that kind of an oxymoron in a way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bashini
You know I wonder if there's groups out there that are working on the ethical treatment of plants and various other forms of life we consider "Too below us" to care about and exploit. I mean there's so many people spouting nonsense about animals when there's a whole another 90% of a planet full of life we're ignoring for a small population with a face.
Don't really have any arguments with or against vegetarianism. I tried to be at some point of my life but it didn't really agree with me since I don't enjoy most vegetables but can some fruits.
As for meat, I don't eat red meat, but I do like including chicken or fish in my meals. My being a picky eater is probably a whole other league on its own.
I could never be a vegetarian. I like my meat too much.
*insert perverted joke here*
No, and as fruits are the last bastion of moral perfection, I wish for you to elaborate so that I can conclude FINALLY that we're necessarily morally imperfect, so we can finally just do whatever we want, rather than argue we ought to be eating certain ways =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Big DDid you see my thoughts about why eating plants and crops is inherently harmful to animals? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Pureghetto
Oh dear... seal meat is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Also, I have nothin against veggies...hell, people eat all kinds of weird stuff, so if they don't like meat, all the more for me.
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Originally Posted by duckie
I like meat a lot. It is tasty. I have no problems with killing an animal for me to feed. I don't really feel bad about it even though I've seen the killing of an animal for food with my own eyes, so it's not just because i'm oblivious to the "dirty" part of eating meat.
Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bashini
I'm almost hesitant to ask this, but how, exactly, does that logic follow? Because it's definitely not plain and simple.
I think it's plain and simple, just stated in an out-there fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaistlinWow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bashini
I'm almost hesitant to ask this, but how, exactly, does that logic follow? Because it's definitely not plain and simple.
Basically, what they're saying is that respecting other being's pursuit of happiness is a step in the right direction for the human race. Also, they include other issues that affect the human race and put the blame upon Animal Agriculture.
And that's the gist, old boy. :holmes:
But then that would mean animals have the same rights as humans. Which clearly isn't the case.
Besides if we didn't domesticate animals in the first place then there wouldn't be a human civilization to complain about the domestication of animals as being wrong. At least a civilization to the extent we have it today, just imagine if they never had horses for travel, no oxen to help till fields, no meat to eat to get protein (back before we knew anything about how to substitute meat to get protein).
Then animals besides ourselves would've dominated over all other animals. :p Of course, whatever would've caused that to happen must've made those other animals pretty smart, too. Maybe they'd come up with animal rights for us. :tongue:
Which assumes that the animals we eat are capable of "pursuing" a feeling of happiness. That seems to be a more nonsensical direction for the human race than anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
I think that's basically it right there.Quote:
Also, they include other issues that affect the human race and put the blame upon Animal Agriculture.