Which game best personified the definition of "Fantasy"?

science fiction
n. A literary or cinematic genre in which fantasy, typically based on speculative scientific discoveries or developments, environmental changes, space travel, or life on other planets, forms part of the plot or background.

Science fiction is a form of fantasy, guys :p.

I for one, enjoy science fiction influences in my FF games. Even if it's just in the form of long forgotten ruins of an advanced civilization.

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Originally Posted by Serapy

Final Fantasy VIII. It certainly gives you something to think about. Things like Time Travel, Bloodline, Cultures, Love, theories, etc.

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Originally Posted by WK

I feel if you stated VIII was just fantasy to a casual gamer cause they wanted to play something fantasy, they might come back and say its not true fantasy. Yes it has dragons and magic but its setting is modern day, its plot revolves around time travel, and the vast majority of the "traditional fantasy" elements are poorly explained in the world. Hell, all the monsters in the games are aliens from the moon for crying out loud. I just feel they might wonder what you were smoking by defining it as basic fantasy when it contains so many elements from different genres.

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Poorly explained? Just because it was thier intention of giving people to think about the FF8's plot, doesn't mean it was poorly explained.
If that wasn't the case, they would of have made clarifications about the plot and such, which in fact, they didn't.

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All I ask is this, what are Guardian Forces and why do they take your memories? I want an explanation from the game not fan speculation. ;)

I just feel much of the supernatural elements of VIII are half explained. It seems like alot of thought was put behind them but the story feels its unimportant to divulge information. The Centra are another piece of the puzzle that seems like its suppose to be important but seems irrelevant to the plot. Most explanations are so cryptic in the game, I felt like I was playing FFI at times and just had to accept it rather than receive a decent summary. Even the glossary provided in the game gives little to explanation for things.

I basically disagree with you on the idea that VIII was intentionally written to be the way it is. Course I stated this back in the thread where you tried to connect Ultemacia to a Greek figure, and in turn you felt this connection adds clout to the possibility that R=U. I personally have always felt that VIII was rushed and under pressure to be bigger than VII and thus several mistakes were made in the production. The game still comes off really good I just felt it lacked polish.

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All I ask is this, what are Guardian Forces and why do they take your memories? I want an explanation from the game not fan speculation. ;)

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There are so many things that are not explained from the game, hench an existence of theories.
Open-interpretation is a good way to think of Fantasy. FFVIII has that criteria.

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I basically disagree with you on the idea that VIII was intentionally written to be the way it is. Course I stated this back in the thread where you tried to connect Ultemacia to a Greek figure, and in turn you felt this connection adds clout to the possibility that R=U. I personally have always felt that VIII was rushed and under pressure to be bigger than VII and thus several mistakes were made in the production. The game still comes off really good I just felt it lacked polish.

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Still, if it was really poorly explained or at least half explained, SE could have at least told us. I'm pretty sure that SE knew about the dramtic effects that FFVIII has caused, such as theories and millions of agruements. They didn't do anything.

Apparently, I just feel that there wouldn't be so many theories/interest if the plot was really poorly explained.

Final Fantasy VII was rushed in development as well, and the plot is clearer than FFVIII's plot.

I feel we basically stand on opposing sides of the issue regarding VIII's story. Made more humorous due to us deciphering the same thing (the ambiguity of the Plot) as proof of our reasoning.

Course, since SE is pretty tight lip about the game and lord knows the Ultimania is pretty worthless as an information source; it is pretty difficult to determine who is actually right in this regard. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. ;)

Let's say you were right in this case, would that boost SE's decisions of re-making the great Final Fantasy VIII game? I'd be fairly sure that one of thier intentions is to polish the plot. That would be interesting, actually.

I'm still interested in the remake of FFVII, because I'd like to know if the Aeris Ghost appearance in the church was really intended.
If you're interested about more info, here's the thread:
http://forums.eyesonff.com/final-fan...-spoilers.html

In the last page, I've just found out that in the ending of FF7:AC, you see Aeris standing next to two childs in the church. Well, in FF7, she was also seen standing next to two childs in her church, but then she disappeared. This is the smiliar scenario as the FF7:AC ending, Aeris disappeared after she walked down the hall from two childs' position.

Also, about that photo. I'm 99% sure that there was Zack in it. It makes sense to me, anyway.

Sorry, kind of off-topic post.

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Let's say you were right in this case, would that boost SE's decisions of re-making the great Final Fantasy VIII game? I'd be fairly sure that one of their intentions is to polish the plot. That would be interesting, actually.

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I have no real issue with a remake for VIII. Hell, just balancing the Junction system would be fine by me but interesting enough I do have one odd thought about VIII that is quite unlike me. It comes from the fact it is the only FF I felt had the plausibility of having a direct sequel. I don't like sequels or spin-offs but I really feel VIII's was the only one that had more to say cause to me it has always been the least vocal concerning its mythos and history. The game introduced so many different elements and hardly explained them that the idea of even a spin-off or a sequel that might shed some light on the matter is actually welcomed imo.

As for the conspiracy theories concerning VII. I have my own conclusions concerning the ghost Aerith and to be honest, I'm not in disagreement about the other side of the debate either. It could go either way.

>>> Best fantasy, FFX hands down.
Sin, Zanarkand, the unsent, the fayth, Yu Yevon, etc.
I have played lots of RPGs but FF10 story is one of the most amazing i have experienced so far.

^I cant tell if thats sarcasm or not.



I just said that to piss off FFX fans. Although I gotta say, FFX's plot is good, but not the most subtle. The plot twists would have been better if they hadnt been so obvious. There should have been less clues.


Oh, and you weren't really answering the question, I dont think.


EDIT: Oh, and the reason I love FFIX so much isnt because of its story - so dont try that one on me. But I do like FFIX's story a lot as well. I enjoy its characterisation and philosophy the most.

>>> I liked ff9 a lot too and in terms of fantasy is probably the best but my only complain is that they took lot of stuff from ff1, so it wasnt that original. I guess all credit must go to FF1 (the one who started it all).

For me FFIV is the closest to a traditional fantasy world.

FFIX took it a step further and I loved it for this reason. After VII and VIII it was like Square wanted to say: 'now that there is 3D, we can't do fantasy anymore".

FFXII was nice too.

They barely took much of significance from FFI. It was only references, many of which were expanded upon in FFIX a lot.