Who else thinks Seymour is underrated as a villian??

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Originally Posted by James_Cub

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Originally Posted by LunaRaven

As a villain, Seymour Guado intrigues me. He doesn't fit the mold of the typical RPG villain. His appearence is bizarre to be sure(from the stiff, hair antennae on his head, to wispy nature of his voice, to the odd "potbelly illusion" outfit), and while he has some of the sophistication of Kuja, he possesses something different and unique. He was off...in a Sweeney Tood sort of way(the harmonies in the musical sometimes sound off, but in actuality musically they aren't and they lend to the "off humor" of the story). For example, the way that Seymour's soft and almost delicate speech juxtaposes the rigidity of his character design.

Furthermore, his motives as a villain are understandable and he has been made relatable but not overly sympathetic(like villains who have over the top tragic pasts, like Hannibal Lecter in Hannibal Rising, which in turn actually downplays the realism of their situation).

So I do agree: Seymour Guado is an underrated villain and character. And he is underrated chiefly because people don't know what to make of him. To me, this makes him intriguing.

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To a point, I get what you're saying. But there's only so much you can understand and forgive about him. I mean, sure he killed his father because of all you said, fair enough, I probably would too, but what he did after was what made him the true villain. Kill a bunch of Ronso, endanger Luca with the fiends, kill Kinoc and force Yuna to marry him.. All these things, plus his ultimate plan of becoming Sin so that he could "stop Spira's suffering" are what made him detestable and unforgivable. True, like any villain should be, but you can't really say he had a motive for all of it, the same way he had a motive to kill his father, these were just pure evil I thought..

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He never forced her to marry him... he just gave her an offer he knew she wouldn't refuse.
His motives are.... confusing at best.
Quite frankly, he probably had quite a rough childhood considering his upbringing and the racism that followed with it.
Followed by his mother dying I'd assume he'd be super shaken up.
This caused his motives which Auron describes as the spiral of death.
Really, I can't make much sense of his motives myself... I just love him because fighting him is a blast and his theme is amazing.
Final Fantasy X Soundtrack: Seymour Battle Theme - YouTube

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Yes, I know I just made a complete 180 from my earlier post. I no longer agree with what I said earlier, shut up.

Boobs, Kuja called Garnet repeatedly my Canary and so on. Maybe it was because he knew she liked theatre as much as she did, but i thought that was courting. I think Square only designed him to be androgenous to follow on the last villain's footsteps, I don't think they intended him to be gay, the same way Kuja was gay.
There's this arguable video on youtube about gay characters in FF, one of which is Zell, which is obviously not gay (he likes the library girl :D), but then again he's also passionate about hotdogs, so i guess we'll never know if he had a crush on Seifer or not ahahaah

Back on topic, can we all at least agree that Seymour's motives are confusing at best. One thing that I do know is that he is not the game's ultimate villain. In my opinion the game's ultimate villain is Yu Yevon and his daughter Yunalesca along with him, Sin just happened to be in the way

I never thought Kuja was gay.

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Originally Posted by Tifa's Boobs

I never thought Kuja was gay.

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Some people do because of his flamboyant outfit and manner. You have to admit that the way he puts his finger up to his mouth after "killing" Garland in Terra is a bit suspicious.

Kuja was a Narcissist. He didn't love anybody, expect himself. Cid said it on the boat that he was and he's right. He abducted a pretty girl < Cid's wife > and all he did was rant and express and boast about his plans on taking over the world. Him calling Garnet a canary is him imagining fantasises of romance and beauty, which is a sign of Narcissism. From Wiki on Mental illnesses ---

• Taking advantage of others to reach their own goals
• Exaggerating their own importance, achievements, and talents
• Imagining unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance
• Becoming jealous easily
• Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of others
• Being obsessed with oneself
• Pursuing mainly selfish goals
• Becoming easily hurt and rejected
• Appearing unemotional

All of them are Kuja. He's not gay because he's flamboyant or loves and enjoys the theatre. Baku and Zidane enjoy the theatre and they are not clearly gay. Don't stereotype. Him putting his finger his mouth is the game showing that Kuja is enjoying or rather showing pleasure in what's going on.


On the Topic of Seymour Skinner couldn't take him seriously sorry. Thought that he was a huge joke and still do today. Go back to your Mother's house Skinner or go back to the War and be a solider again, stay away from FF.