Haha, had fun while it lasted, and then Unne whips out the Oxford. :D
Anyhow, I don't think hanging anyone is particularly bestial, you need opposable thumbs for that.
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Haha, had fun while it lasted, and then Unne whips out the Oxford. :D
Anyhow, I don't think hanging anyone is particularly bestial, you need opposable thumbs for that.
Are you seriously trying to argue, or are you just being petulant?
Still, I think branding the people who did this "animals" is only denying that human beings have problems, that seriously need to be assessed. Otherwise, only more of these sort of acts will occur.
I more than understand your point of view DocFrance, yet I also think that the only way we'll fix this is to try to understand why this happened.
Take care all.
I fully understand what happened. A bunch of ignorant people who have been living in a primitive, violent society, decided they didn't like that we're occupying their country, and decided to act horribly irrationally.
Does this mean that we're going to pull out so that more of our people don't get killed?
Hell no.
I'd argue that our society isn't much more advanced, but yes, we are not as violent. Still, the best way to end ignorance is through an education, opening of ones mind, expanding horizons.
Take care all.
If you leave a primitive, barbaric country to its own devices, then you'll inevitably end up with primitive, violent people armed with the most sophisticated black-market weapons available. Not a good way to be. Bringing other countries into the First World would be better for everyone.
All too true. Unfortunately, they will continue to resist for a long time, much like a dog that bites at the vet.Quote:
Originally posted by The Captain
I'd argue that our society isn't much more advanced, but yes, we are not as violent. Still, the best way to end ignorance is through an education, opening of ones mind, expanding horizons.
To play Devil's Advocate for a moment, imagine if America had a "forced" regime change. I think we'd probably resist even longer than Iraq has or will. Just food for thought, I suppose. Not making any comparison to the events in Iraq, but I think every people will resist change, so it's to be expected, I suppose.
Take care all.
Anybody will resist change. It's called social inertia.
...until the excesses practiced on the first world extend globally and it becomes a self-destructive story. You know, most resources are unlimited because they keep regenerating (Wood, water, food, etc) but we just know how to keep them from continuing the cycle screwing mother nature and...ourselves too.Quote:
Bringing other countries into the First World would be better for everyone.
See? I can find problems everywhere! Hah! I rule! Ha-ha! haHAHA!
To play Devil's Advocate for a moment, imagine if America had a "forced" regime change. I think we'd probably resist even longer than Iraq has or will. --The Captain
So long as we vote for our own leaders, to change our leaders is to enslave the American people. There is no parallel between such a case and the case where a people have not voted for their leaders.
Well, Iraq did vote, but under penalty of death of course. Still, I see your point. I suppose my point would be, what if the UN forced Bush out of power because they thought he was becoming too powerful? Do you think we'd fight that? People resist change, tis human nature, even IF it's best for them to change.
I made sort of the same point in the religion thread. I think partially, religion itself is to blame because religion is so very tough to change, and many people over there are very steely in their religious beliefs. They view America and the West as blasphemists (is that a word?) and that might explain most of their hatred towards us.
Take care all.
US army blow today a mosque on Flojah and 40 Iraqies were killed besides the injuries. Many Women and children also killed on strike on the same citey, although I know no body care as long they are not American.
Can't blame you for trying right? First of all, it wasn't the US Army, it was the Marines. Second and more importantly, everyone is the Mosque was an insurgent.Quote:
Originally Posted by WAKED
Whatever. Still, the fact that the things getting more complecated, and to make it worse, they are start fighting Al-Sadir followers to raise the violance there.
As I understnad Alsaid Al-Sistani is trying to clame the Irqies down as he have the most Iraqi followers, but if the situation raises more, and US didn't leave its stuborn, Iraqies will try to push him to declare the war officely.