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Zangan also taught Rude martial arts so he currently has two students who would make bitter rivals.
I think Elmyra should've been the name of Cloud's mom and Aerith's mother's name should've been Claire.
btw: were Wedge and Biggs in the orig. J-ver. or were they added by the Americans?
I think they would have been in the original J vs too because they were part of the storyline. Avalanche could not have just been Cloud Tifa n Barret, otherwise Barret wouldn't have really left would he? or he wouldn't really have had much to fight with
That's never suggested by the game. The only student Zangan is known to have had is Tifa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercen-X
Yes, they were in the original version. By the way, the stuff added into the North American and International Versions was also added in by the Japanese, not the Americans or Europeans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercen-X
The Japanese must not be sure of themselves if they feel they have to add a bunch of extra stuff before they ship to the U.S
By the by, when it comes to stuff I'm making up about the story, I'll say "It's my theory" or put "lol" at the end from now on. K? :D
They have deadlines that they have to meet. They put in as much as they can for the initial release, then add the rest in for the International Versions. And it was only for FFVII that the U.S. got the extra stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercen-X
Okay... but I can't imagine why you would bring up things that aren't part of the story in places that are discussing the story. Whatever floats your boat, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercen-X
Lots of people tend to make up their own theories about the story even in a thread that's discussing the real story . . . I'm the only one who seems to be persecuted for it. I understand because I usually make it sound like I'm stating a fact, but it's just my opinion.
Were there any Squaresoft officials who said flatout that the whole plot and all the details of FF7 could be found right in the game?
'Cause if they didn't, then there's nothing wrong with a little imagination from the common fan.
(SPOILER) The most common thing believed by oldbies here at EOFF. 5 years ago Sephiroth, a SOLDIER named Zack, and a regular soldier named Cloud went to Nibleheim. There Sephiroth went into the Shinra Mansion and found Shinra documents within the basement. He was led to believe that we was genetically created, or possibly cloned, from Jenova at Nibleheim. He also believed Jenova to be a great Cetra (Ancient) In a fury about what he thought was his past he burned the town down and went towards the Mako Reactor to where his "Mother" was. Tifa, a student of Martial Arts master Zangan, went after him. Cloud and Zack also went after him. Sephiroth killed Zack and wounded Tifa. Cloud wounded Sephiroth and he fell into the Mako Stream. Zangan came in and got Tifa out. Hojo showed up and took Zack and Cloud for mako experimentation. The townspeople were replaced with Shinra staff. Zack utterly rejected to mako infusions but cloud was very receptive to them. It also made him very sick. Zack broke free taking Cloud with him. Shinra caught up to the group and filled Zacks head full of lead. Cloud escaped but with psychological issues as to the actions of him and Zack.
Sephiroth is the child of Hojo and Lucretia (Vincents wife). While still in the womb he was injected with Jenova cells.
Jenova is not a great ancient but an alien who fell upon the cetra and poisoned them with a virus.
The black hooded people were others like Cloud and Zack who were injected with Jenova cells.
The Sephiroth you follow throughout the first disk is a clone. The real Sephiroth is trapped in Mako repairing his body where the reunion takes place. Cloud was the first to make it to the real Sephiroth.
Anything else?
(SPOILER)Zack wasn't killed by Sephiroth. Note that Zangan's letter to Tifa says that Hojo ordered all those still alive be rounded up for the experiment. Zack was still very much alive before Cloud went after Sephiroth on the catwalk above the heart of the Reactor, telling Cloud to kill Sephiroth. For that matter, I doubt he sustained a wound worse than Cloud's, which Cloud survived.Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
(SPOILER)Lucrecia was not Vincent's wife. In fact, the game doesn't even offer an indication that she liked him. She was an assistant to Professor Gast (as was Hojo) and Vincent was a Turk sent with them to Nibelheim to be their bodyguard.Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
(SPOILER)That one's up to debate. Personally, I think it's more likely that they were pieces of JENOVA's body (as JENOVA-BIRTH was a tentacle of JENOVA, and we see a fairly strong indication that the Sephiroth form at the City of the Ancients became JENOVA-LIFE, and see beyond all doubt that the one at the Whirlwind Maze became JENOVA-DEATH).Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
(SPOILER)That was corrected later when I said Shinra soldiers killed him.Quote:
Zack wasn't killed by Sephiroth.
It was alluded to.Quote:
Lucrecia was not Vincent's wife. In fact, the game doesn't even offer an indication that she liked him
"I let the one I loved, the one I respected most, face the worst."
That would be Lucretia for her suffering over her Son, Sephiroth.
My belief is Jenova herself was manipulating them through their Jenova cell infusions. At the Whirwind Maze she used the cells to mutate it into Jenova-Death. The Jenova virus did mutate people into monsters. Where would the pieces of Jenova come from? If Jenny could move about and do things with her own body then why not just do it herself instead of manipulating people with Jenova Cells through Sephiroth. Sephiroth wanted to free her and fuse with her to become a God.Quote:
That one's up to debate. Personally, I think it's more likely that they were pieces of JENOVA's body (as JENOVA-BIRTH was a tentacle of JENOVA, and we see a fairly strong indication that the Sephiroth form at the City of the Ancients became JENOVA-LIFE, and see beyond all doubt that the one at the Whirlwind Maze became JENOVA-DEATH).
You didn't correct the point where you said it, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
(SPOILER)That doesn't allude to her being his wife. Loving someone doesn't automatically make them your wife. She didn't love him. o.O He loved her. She didn't love him, but loved Hojo. It's that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
(SPOILER)You're ignoring that JENOVA's tentacle is laying on the floor of the cargo ship after JENOVA-BIRTH is defeated. And JENOVA was manipulating the black-cloaked folks to bring them to the Reunion in order to get its Cells back.Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
Squall of SeeD is right, plain and simple.
(SPOILER)"The ability to change ones appearance . . . is the trait of Jenova."
That's why every time you're about to fight Sephiroth, you end up in a battle against Jenova.
As said elsewhere I don't remember that being mentioned. Maybe it is, but can you post it.Quote:
She didn't love him, but loved Hojo
That's exactly what I said.Quote:
And JENOVA was manipulating the black-cloaked folks to bring them to the Reunion in order to get its Cells back.
She was manipulating them to come towards Sephiroth because thats where she would get her cells back at.Quote:
Originally Posted by me
And those injected with Jenova cells would have that trait to change appearance.Quote:
"The ability to change ones appearance . . . is the trait of Jenova."
That's why every time you're about to fight Sephiroth, you end up in a battle against Jenova.
I just think "Sephiroth" was lying about that part to convince Cloud that he was a clone. Was there a point in the game where "Sephiroth" changed HIS appearance?Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
My opinion is that Jenova or rather it's limbs, changed form to become Sephiroth and lead Cloud to the promised land. Knowing that informing Cloud of his unfortunate experiences at SOLDIER would turn him, "Sephiroth" lied to Cloud about clones being able to change form. Actually, the "clones" are just regular people from SOLDIER who were injected with Jenova Cells.
Jenova probably used this deception to cause every other clone to go insane and search for the "Promised Land" as well.
Oh, so true, so very true. Because we know for a FACT that the Crater is the Promised Land. I totally agree with you.Quote:
My opinion is that Jenova or rather it's limbs, changed form to become Sephiroth and lead Cloud to the promised land. Knowing that informing Cloud of his unfortunate experiences at SOLDIER would turn him, "Sephiroth" lied to Cloud about clones being able to change form. Actually, the "clones" are just regular people from SOLDIER who were injected with Jenova Cells.
Sephiroth was a normal looking human five years ago. Then when you see him again in the Northern Crater he's mostly human but his legs are all tentacle Kishi style. At the end he totally morphs into the monster you fight. Sure, he's the last boss, but it's easy enough to follow that he morphed using the Jenny cells in him.Quote:
Was there a point in the game where "Sephiroth" changed HIS appearance?
Jenova wasn't just calling Cloud, she was calling all the injected. Your forgetting one thing though. It Jenny was free to use different limbs to do all these different things, then why didn't she just free herself and go after those injected with her cells. She needed them to become free. She was most easily able to seduce Sephiroth, making him want to fuse with his "Mother", because he was so infused with the cells. Sephiroth was her main concern. She needed to call the injected to him to help him so he would be ale to free her. They morph into pieces of Jenova through their Cell infusions.Quote:
Knowing that informing Cloud of his unfortunate experiences at SOLDIER would turn him, "Sephiroth" lied to Cloud about clones being able to change form. Actually, the "clones" are just regular people from SOLDIER who were injected with Jenova Cells.
Jenova probably used this deception to cause every other clone to go insane and search for the "Promised Land" as well.