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xP Curse you, SeeDRankLou! Cuuuuurse yoooooou!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SeeDRankLou
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The idea is that he couldn't admit what he fealt - so he got around it by keeping away - I never really thought he "Treated herlike dirt" though - that's exageratingQuote:
He treats Rinoa like dirt, and then without warning is obsessed with her.
I really dont think so. He gave her the cold shoulder and made it abundantly clear that he didnt want her around. He never makes any indication at all that he has feelings he doesnt want to admit, and that's saying a lot given that we have his inner monologue on display constantly. One minute she annoys him, the next he cant live without her.
I'm probly anoying you now but I think the fact he acted that way sort of dropped hints to what he fealt.
Ok...well if he didnt treat her like dirt...how would you put it?
Using my example from earlier, when him and Irvine save her from the Lizard statue things in the Parade-sequence she's on her knee's next to him, hanging on to his arm and he literally just shakes her off, quite roughly actually, he doesnt even LOOK at her. Generally you get the impression he only saved her because he couldnt just let her DIE, not because he cared personally for her but because he would have saved anyone he saw in trouble. If you were starting to have feelings for someone...would you treat them like that? Especially after what's just happened, he doesnt even act friendly towards to her. He's like "Meh, get off me"
Like I said before, once it gets into it, its believeable (or at least I find it so), its just really badly developed before hand, and again, there is only SO FAR you can take the "he's a loner, he doesnt know how to handle/show his emotions" arguement. Even if you were seriously introverted like Squall is...you wouldnt treat her the way he does there.
Edit - And there are numerous more examples of this throughout the game before she goes into the coma.
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Originally Posted by amratis
Uhhh! He didn't look at her because he wasn't used to it - Actually it was that scene that made me think "I bet they Match up later"
And I was right!
You can interpret it how you want, and we can interpret it how we want. He treated her like dirt. Of course, I cant say I would have been any nicer given how much she annoyed me, but I know I wouldnt have turned around and been head over heels for her.
He wasnt used to it? So he acted like a complete JERK to her? Even squall being emotionally retarded....he WOULDNT have acted that way towards her if really cared he would of at least helped her up or something, hell you'd do that for someone you didnt even KNOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJN SEIFER
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Rinoa: I was scared... ...Really scared.
Squall: It's over now.
Rinoa: I was scared... I was really, really scared.
Squall: You're used to battles, aren't you?
Rinoa: I couldn't...I just couldn't. I couldn't fight alone...
Squall: (...You're not ready for all of this.) Better get going. I
haven't forgot your order. Just stay close to me.
So where's the "Meh get off me!"? He seams ok here and Like I said this where I got suspicous of them. The only part which seams cold is the "You're used to battles" but he stops this when he finds she isn't. I really think this was the first sign of the game.
You're using just the script as an example. I'm talking about the body language, their physical actions. Watch that scene again and tell me if you honestly think he comes across as comforting.
I was playing the game as a typed the above...
Honestly, I like FF8, and in the past have written lengthy posts dissecting the characters, including Squall and Rinoa, and explaining why they behave the way they do. However, that was a long time ago and I don't feel like repeating myself.
THAT SAID, I believe it is theoretically possible, given a slew of motivations, for Squall to have done a 180 in the game. Given his crummy life and the issues he needs to go through - yet his expressed desire for change which occurs in his dreams, it is plausible. However, the problem is, we DON'T SEE IT IN THE GAME. As a graduate playwright and a screenwriter, I can give my professional opinion, that in FF8 Square did the following:
1. They came up with some great characters with interesting, complex backgrounds.
2. They came up with a great ending in which those characters had grown and changed.
3. They completly failed to evolve the characters from point A to point B in a logical or belivable manner.
Squall and Rinoa are a great idea for a couple - their differing backgrounds and personal issues should have a great deal of effect on one another, but we don't see it. We discover these things about the characters, some gameplay happens, and suddenly the characters are acting completely differently, with no real evidence of emotional change. Square really needed to work in Squall's softening towards Rinoa much more gradually - perhaps he doesn't act different in front of her, but keeps looking when she leaves the room, or argues with himself. Something. But they didn't, not really.
And thus, we have a lot of people who are irritated by the storyline and characters for just that reason. And although that didn't wreck the game for me (perhaps because I've rewritten it a bit in my head - lol), it really annoys others, and I don't blame them for that.
Well said, as usual, Shiva. I definitly agree.
Who cares what other people think. Screw the stupid reviews. If you want to play a game, play it.
Some people just HAVE to have everyone think they're right. It's pathetic.
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